"she shouldn't have dressed like that if she didn't want the attention"
Got it. You've made your view very clear.
BREAKING Conservative Charlie Kirk Shot During Debate In Utah
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Got it. You've made your view very clear.
And FTR, from what I've heard, that's what Kirk's movement was about. I've never listened to him, so I'm not sure what hate he was supposedly spewing - from what I've heard he wanted to talk to people with opposing views to talk through issues.
Whether I'd agree with him or not, I do respect that approach. That's much better than those excusing the violence as 'he had it coming for saying things I view as bad'...
He certainly didn't deserve to be shot.
With that being said, the very movement he supports has created this climate.
Charlie once said that empathy is a made-up, new-age term.
The reaction to this will be very interesting. Nobody on the right cared when two state Dems got murdered.
With that being said, the very movement he supports has created this climate.
Charlie once said that empathy is a made-up, new-age term.
The reaction to this will be very interesting. Nobody on the right cared when two state Dems got murdered.
Find some of his videos, it looked just like this: big crowds, minimal security, open mic, come say what you want.
Person over in England even asked him how he would defeat himself in a debate, he gave an answer.
This is flipping comedy gold, it’s like all the left reading from the same cue card, like they accuse the right of doing.
Kirk was a more extreme version of Steven Crowder in that he made his living off of “dunking on liberals” at college campuses and concerts. He has said and pushed some very vile and unhinged statements, maybe not to the degree as an Alex Jones, but further than most of the far right. So he was a very controversial figure in the conservative ranks.
That said, I don’t think anyone should be shot or killed for speaking their political opinion. I do think Kirk’s rhetoric and infamy probably played a role in someone targeting him, but more than anything being famous probably was the biggest influence. I’m reminded of two things… 1) Aristotle was asked ‘what is the easiest way to become famous’ and he replied ‘kill someone who is famous in public’. Then 2) I’m reminded that Trump’s assassin wasn’t politically motivated. So what I’m getting at is don’t be surprised if this wasn’t politically motivated by the end of this. Also keep in mind he was shot in a highly conservative and highly religious state. So don’t be surprised if this is a crazy just wanting to be famous. Also it’s worth mentioning that George Wallace wasn’t shot for his rhetoric either, he was shot by a fame seeker who just missed out of shooting the president a week before shooting Wallace.
This has been a fascinating thread. Many on the lefts lack of support for free expression and victim blaming for magical “hate speech” which is anything you don’t like has been very enlightening. Good job guys.
Kirk being a more extreme version of Crowder is just not true. You could make an argument they are similar. Crowder tends to lean into his comedy background while Kirk is more straight laced.
No. Bless your heart. I guess Scalice, Trump, and Kirk isn’t good enough. All three have been shot at and one was killed today.
after reading through the thread and seeing some of the comments, I can only imagine how bad one was that got deleted.
Its not victim blaming or hypocrisy by those on here who are less sympathetic to this event.
Our Constitution and its Bill of Rights are ideals as much as they are laws.
We are not, as a nation, in the best position right now of pursuing these ideals and not everyone who lives here values the ideals differently. And certainly not to an ideal level where the most caustic remarks dont elicit a response from the crowd or a crazy person. You cant yell fire in a crowded room and not expect to get trampled. Each side wants to point the finger at the other side when something tragic happens when in reality we are all to blame.
Its perfectly normal to debate the natural consequences of someones actions. And we can all agree we dont control the consequences of our bad choices.
Our Constitution and its Bill of Rights are ideals as much as they are laws.
We are not, as a nation, in the best position right now of pursuing these ideals and not everyone who lives here values the ideals differently. And certainly not to an ideal level where the most caustic remarks dont elicit a response from the crowd or a crazy person. You cant yell fire in a crowded room and not expect to get trampled. Each side wants to point the finger at the other side when something tragic happens when in reality we are all to blame.
Its perfectly normal to debate the natural consequences of someones actions. And we can all agree we dont control the consequences of our bad choices.
MAGA attempts to kill leader of left-wing organization: “See?!? See?!? This is what they do !!!! They’re horrible people and don’t deserve even the least common decency.”
Left wing crazy kills a right-wing speaker in a public setting: “See what MAGA does?!? They inspire violence committed by people who would otherwise be peaceful. The guy essentially committed suicide by self-appointed cop. He got what he deserved.
Oh….wait….just for the record, violence has no place in politics. Except, you know, when somebody who I disagree with takes a bullet in the neck. Then we need to stare at our navels and talk about it”
And the press piles in. MSNBC has already issued an apology for a statement by one of its anchors. UPDATE -- MSNBC fired Matt Dowd.
Example #64,874,295 of why the public literally trusts used car salespeople more than “journalists.”
Left wing crazy kills a right-wing speaker in a public setting: “See what MAGA does?!? They inspire violence committed by people who would otherwise be peaceful. The guy essentially committed suicide by self-appointed cop. He got what he deserved.
Oh….wait….just for the record, violence has no place in politics. Except, you know, when somebody who I disagree with takes a bullet in the neck. Then we need to stare at our navels and talk about it”
And the press piles in. MSNBC has already issued an apology for a statement by one of its anchors. UPDATE -- MSNBC fired Matt Dowd.
Example #64,874,295 of why the public literally trusts used car salespeople more than “journalists.”
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President Trump from the Oval Office has just addressed the assassination of Charlie Kirk and declared he will go after those who perpetrate political violence.
"My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country."
"I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah. Charlie inspired millions, tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror."
"From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father, to the attacks on ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others. Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. "
"Tonight, I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died, the values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law."
"His legacy will live on for countless generations to come. Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, and it's not even close. May God bless his memory. May God watch over his family."
This tragedy should be a moment for unity, yet it risks becoming fuel for deeper division. America cannot heal if we let grief and tragedy be weaponized. What we need now is compassion, courage, and leaders who will bring us together. What will it take before we finally say enough?
I honestly don’t care how you label them. They basically used the same avenues in trying to gain popularity in that they went to places where they could find Gen Zers that couldn’t list 10 amendments even if you gave a cheat sheet and presented the magic trick of “see the liberal agenda is broken”. Kirk was far more committed to his craziness than Crowder and had a far bigger audience. But the point is he was a very controversial figure on the right, and for good reason
Did he deserve to get killed for spewing his rhetoric… no
I have already condemned the shooting. There has been far too much needless bloodshed in this nation.
Have some on the board rushed to the left in righteous indignation? Perhaps.
Have some on the board rushed to the right in righteous indignation? You tell me.
I'm more interested in addressing the violence itself. And I am very concerned for our nation, both in terms of how people may react in the wake of this and other shootings, and in terms of what Trump--who has already condemned the shooting of the radical left, may do in response.
"Puts on his tin foil hat" Who scooped all the reporters and networks on the confirmed death of Charlie Kirk? Now, Kirk wasn't a Congressman, but he WAS the first voice that I recall breaking from party line on Epstein Files and Trump. Has anyone heard from MTG?
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