Deboer Job Status

[TideMan09]

We always look at our schedule and how tough it is, but there are other teams who have tough schedules ahead of them as well. Georgia has four "loseable" games ahead of them. Again, they aren't the dominant team they were back during the two NC years, nowhere close. And all depending on how Miss St turns out, that game in Starkville may not be a cake walk either. I'm not sure how good they are. They beat an Arizona St they weren't supposed to beat and I watched the game and just in that game I could tell Miss St appears to be a lot better this season than last. UGA doesn't have a cake walk either.

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You make a valid point, but, God forbid we lose to Georgia, Oklahoma, The Swamp Kittens, The Viles, The Barn & Missouri isn't a gimme game..

I just dont see Deboer surviving at the end of the year with those losses, despite the payout of his contract, they can negotiate that working something out..

I dont see Deboer surviving those loses..

Like i said hopefully we plow through those games winning them all & all is well in Tuscaloosa..

 

[Bamabuzzard]

You make a valid point, but, God forbid we lose to Georgia, Oklahoma, The Swamp Kittens, The Viles, The Barn & Missouri isn't a gimme game..

I just dont see Deboer surviving at the end of the year with those losses, despite the payout of his contract, they can negotiate that working something out..

I dont see Deboer surviving those loses..

Like i said hopefully we plow through those games winning them all & all is well in Tuscaloosa..

If we literally lose all those games you mentioned, then no, he won't survive this season. It would mean we're 6-6 for the regular season and playing in Shreveport in the Independence Bowl.

 

[TideMan09]

If we literally lose all those games you mentioned, then no, he won't survive this season. It would mean we're 6-6 for the regular season and playing in Shreveport in the Independence Bowl.

I think we'll get a hint, for the good or bad Saturday night, on how the rest of this season goes..

Cause this schedule doesn't get any easier the rest of the year..

 

[22Musso22]

DeBoer status? Very much still up in the air.

 

[Cruiser]

I think we'll get a hint, for the good or bad Saturday night, on how the rest of this season goes..

Cause this schedule doesn't get any easier the rest of the year..

7 teams currently in top 16

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I guess the Op has accomplished what he was hoping to do with this thread...

 

[GrayTide]

My answer to Deboer's job status is simply, I have no idea. I was not a fan of his hiring, but considering the circumstances I was willing to give him a chance. As I said in another post, I have really lowered my expectations for Alabama. When you consider we still have to play UGA, UT, LSU, Missour,i and Oklahoma we could be anywhere between 6-6 to 9-3. Does that get him fired, IDK.

 

[RammerJammer14]

If he can't figure out how to motivate and play better on the road and win SEC games on the road.....his stay won't be longer than the end of next season.

Especially with those road losses...Vandy / Oklahoma / Tennessee / FSU (add Michigan) and that's 5 games where DeBoer's team has looked unprepared.

Add potential road losses to Georgia, Missouri, South Carolina and Auburn this year......no SEC coach can withstand that.

Yeah it’s not that we lost away games. It’s that we looked completely unprepared and like we didn’t want to be there.

That said, hopefully we break that trend tomorrow!

 

[64 Grad]

Following Alabama's run of 6 championships in 12 years and knocking on the door 2 or 3 times is hard to follow. That run was as incredible as UCLA's 10 out of 12 Championships in basketball. Gene Bartow followed Wooden and stayed one year. He build a solid program at UAB. Both those runs were similar to the prefect storm. A lot of things came together to create those streaks. The important thing is to stay competitive until you are established. Most great coaches only had about 10 years on top. Coach Bryant had 12 out of his 25 years at Alabama.

 

[BamaInBham]

My answer to Deboer's job status is simply, I have no idea. I was not a fan of his hiring, but considering the circumstances I was willing to give him a chance. As I said in another post, I have really lowered my expectations for Alabama. When you consider we still have to play UGA, UT, LSU, Missour,i and Oklahoma we could be anywhere between 6-6 to 9-3. Does that get him fired, IDK.

Who did you want that was a reasonable ask at the time? With whom would you now replace him if he were to go 8-4 or 7-5?

IMO, a 50 year old Nick Saban or Paul Bryant would both find it impossible to come close to what they did at this time. Not only has the talent been far more equally dispersed but the attitudes and power of the players have been dramatically increased, diminishing the power of the coaches. It’s a very different world, only oil fields or benefactors can provide any great advantage and even they don’t address all of the issues. Though hardly destitute, Alabama has neither.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Who did you want that was a reasonable ask at the time? With whom would you now replace him if he were to go 8-4 or 7-5?

IMO, a 50 year old Nick Saban or Paul Bryant would both find it impossible to come close to what they did at this time. Not only has the talent been far more equally dispersed but the attitudes and power of the players have been dramatically increased, diminishing the power of the coaches. It’s a very different world, only oil fields or benefactors can provide any great advantage and even they don’t address all of the issues. Though hardly destitute, Alabama has neither.

Yep. People talk about how different it is to coach now and then complain when he doesn’t reproduce Saban’s success.

Let me drop this one on you guys: even Saban couldn’t reproduce his success with the current roster and circumstances, it’s why he retired.

 

[arthurdawg]

Yep. People talk about how different it is to coach now and then complain when he doesn’t reproduce Saban’s success.

Let me drop this one on you guys: even Saban couldn’t reproduce his success with the current roster and circumstances, it’s why he retired.

Amen... I think DeBoer showed what he could do last night. Our roster is solid, need to work out the OL a bit and get some of the faster young OL playing to match his system and find another dude or two at DT and various things, but if they can do that and they are recruiting talent well...

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Is safe to retire this thread I mean... Obviously, He's not going anywhere this season or next year with his buyout.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Retire no. Maybe pause.

If next week goes south it will fire right up again.

Maybe change the title to "Wommack Job Status".

 

[KrAzY3]

There are two narratives when it comes to DeBoer.

One is the losing to inferior competition thing. Going back to Fresno St. where he lost in consecutive years to a 5-4 and 6-7 Hawaii team. Then at Washington where he lost to a 3-9 Arizona St. team. We know about the losses at Alabama.

The other is the big game coach, his record against teams ranked in the top 10, the fact that he's 2-0 against Lanning, Sark, and Smart.

His job security will rest with the prevailing narrative. Right now, the prevailing narrative (well earned), is big game coach. However, the margin of error is still relatively small.

For the record, I think the toughness I saw from Alabama last night gives him the opportunity to eliminate that losing to weak competition thing. He looked more energetic and motivated, the team looked more disciplined.

 

[arthurdawg]

If Wommack would just remove the “rush only 3” packages that would be great.

Our ‘backers are going to have to fill their lanes faster at Vandy. DL was paying short handed and took some knocks… but the LB play needs to be better.

 

[81usaf92]

There are two narratives when it comes to DeBoer.

One is the losing to inferior competition thing. Going back to Fresno St. where he lost in consecutive years to a 5-4 and 6-7 Hawaii team. Then at Washington where he lost to a 3-9 Arizona St. team. We know about the losses at Alabama.

The other is the big game coach, his record against teams ranked in the top 10, the fact that he's 2-0 against Lanning, Sark, and Smart.

His job security will rest with the prevailing narrative. Right now, the prevailing narrative (well earned), is big game coach. However, the margin of error is still relatively small.

For the record, I think the toughness I saw from Alabama last night gives him the opportunity to eliminate that losing to weak competition thing. He looked more energetic and motivated, the team looked more disciplined.

What’s the narrative on Dabo…

One is that he won two national championships

The other is that he finds a way to lose or gets into dog fights with far inferior talented ACC teams

With the former there is the asterisk of having two generational quarterbacks getting his butt out of binds and having Brent Venerables as a DC. But outside that run of 5-6 years… DeBoer is more impressive than Blabo

 

[JDCrimson]

I dont think our LBs are getting much coaching at all. We are too busy trying to write small enough to get our defensive calls on a 3x5 index card...

 

[22Musso22]

Last night helped, but we have one of the toughest schedules in college football ahead.

 

[RammerJammer14]

Yep. People talk about how different it is to coach now and then complain when he doesn’t reproduce Saban’s success.

Let me drop this one on you guys: even Saban couldn’t reproduce his success with the current roster and circumstances, it’s why he retired.

I’m going to quibble with this. We have no idea if Saban or anyone else can have long term championship success in the current environment. It has only been in effect for 4 seasons, including this one. Is it a dumb system? Yes. But I wouldn’t bet that blue blood programs will cease being blue blood programs and coaches can’t win consistently just yet.