New OL Coach - Who would You Hire???

[CoolBreeze]

Alright! Offseason is in full swing! I think this one is going to surpass even the Milroe era. Never a dull moment around here that is for sure.

 

[CB4]

Once again, the folks calling for oline changes and maybe other staff changes aren’t particularly upset with simply “losses”.
It is the completely embarrassing and non competitive nature of three of those four losses this season. Most here gave CKD a pass last season. But we saw the same “consistently inconsistent” issues this season that reared its ugly head last year.
Few here are on the “can CKD” bandwagon. But many here DO expect full recognition of the problems and an attempt to reconcile those problems.
As far as an extension, Byrne needs to table any such notion.

 

[LA BamaCarl]

As a fan, I hope things get better next year, but I'm not too optimistic. What makes a good coach is being able to get more from players consistently than they think they can give. I just don't believe the current staff has the ability to do that..A team reflects the coaches personality and that personality is just who that coach is and can't be changed. Hope I'm wrong but time will tell.

 

[gtgilbert]

I suspect that next year our QB will not have quite so much authority to change the play a the line...and that might be a good thing.

well, I hope they do. Every QB we've had since Saban arrived, with very few - maybe just one - exceptions has had the authority to call audibles at the LOS. Even going all the way back to Stallings the number who couldn't make a play change is very, very small. Now maybe they didn't have the full playbook and only had a few choices...

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

Once again, the folks calling for oline changes and maybe other staff changes aren’t particularly upset with simply “losses”.
It is the completely embarrassing and non competitive nature of three of those four losses this season. Most here gave CKD a pass last season. But we saw the same “consistently inconsistent” issues this season that reared its ugly head last year.
Few here are on the “can CKD” bandwagon. But many here DO expect full recognition of the problems and an attempt to reconcile those problems.
As far as an extension, Byrne needs to table any such notion.

Completely agree...............

 

[Vinny]

Jumbo Elliott

 

[bamaslammer]

Once again, the folks calling for oline changes and maybe other staff changes aren’t particularly upset with simply “losses”.
It is the completely embarrassing and non competitive nature of three of those four losses this season. Most here gave CKD a pass last season. But we saw the same “consistently inconsistent” issues this season that reared its ugly head last year.
Few here are on the “can CKD” bandwagon. But many here DO expect full recognition of the problems and an attempt to reconcile those problems.
As far as an extension, Byrne needs to table any such notion.

I'm 59 years old. My memory of Alabama football goes all the way back to the late stages of Bear's career. I have never seen an OL coach put hot garbage like that on the field and actually get better later on. It's never happened. Even if this guy has some ability, a change is needed. Wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[KrAzY3]

Since I was... critical earlier I do want to reiterate one thing though.

I'm not calling for DeBoer to be fire. I'm not calling for Grubb to be fired. I'm not even actually saying Kap has to be fired.

I'm just saying there are obvious issues and it needs to be addressed. I don't think it has to be extremes, you don't have either 100% like the state of things or want everyone fired. I think DeBoer is a smart coach, perhaps too smart sometimes as that can lead to figuring out shortcuts that lead to bad habits. I think he can adjust though, he just needs to be willing to.

In that regard, we'll see.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

Since I was... critical earlier I do want to reiterate one thing though.

I'm not calling for DeBoer to be fire. I'm not calling for Grubb to be fired. I'm not even actually saying Kap has to be fired.

I'm just saying there are obvious issues and it needs to be addressed. I don't think it has to be extremes, you don't have either 100% like the state of things or want everyone fired. I think DeBoer is a smart coach, perhaps too smart sometimes as that can lead to figuring out shortcuts that lead to bad habits. I think he can adjust though, he just needs to be willing to.

In that regard, we'll see.

Someone in another thread stated he was hearing there would be no change at OL coach............there are definite issues that better be addressed, or the results wont fly with the powers that be

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The discussion may have gone away publicly, but if that was just a ploy to get him to stay, then thats a very shady way to do business. If they were in talks for an extension before, then they probably still are. That's probably the most important thing he could do, because we need to protect the program from the fans. If we run DeBoer out of town, then we may set the program back 10 years. If we are patient , and allow him to build the program in his image, we will have a national championship within 5 years, but probably no later than 3 years. Too much focus is being spent on HOW we got to 11 wins. When we are years removed from this, history is not going to remember the how. The history books are going to say 11 wins and a playoff victory. The rest is irrelevant. It took Ryan Day and Kirby Smart both 6 years to win a national championship. I don't even think it's gonna take DeBoer long, but as long as he's making the playoff every year, that should buy him at least 5 years imo.

Unless the issues that have existed in DeBoers teams for two years now, get fixed, we're not sniffing a national title.

 

[JDCrimson]

It was me, that's what heard today from someone I trust who is inside but not a coach. No elaboration was given.

Everybody inside loves CKD, players love him, recruiting is great at the HS level. But pressure is being felt throughout the AD by everyone. We have NIL supporters who are very committed to supporting the program but they dont just have money to throw away. Just as yall have suggested.

The real pressure is on the assistant coaches now more than ever. We cant really afford swap head coaches like before because you pay a huge buyout and you lose your roster.

Saban is trying to build his own brand independent of UA but a bunch of influential people have helped him in business and supported the Saban Center.

Lots of shifting currents right now...

 

[KrAzY3]

Someone in another thread stated he was hearing there would be no change at OL coach............there are definite issues that better be addressed, or the results wont fly with the powers that be

The issue with that is it is basically asserting that all the problems we saw, all of them were basically just the personnel on the offensive line. If you keep the coaches, and you keep the running backs, you're saying the bad running, the bad run blocking all that came down to just the line.

It didn't look to me like that, and this isn't the first time DeBoer has had a really poor run game, but if his solution is to do very little, it just kind of reinforces the notion that it's not a big priority.

 

[JDCrimson]

Whatever they decide to do it better work, because KR isn't built to take the kind of beating Ty took this year...

 

[AlexanderFan]

Whatever they decide to do it better work, because KR isn't built to take the kind of beating Ty took this year...

Gotten smaller each year, at this rate my six year old granddaughter will be starting soon.

 

[CB4]

Gotten smaller each year, at this rate my six year old granddaughter will be starting soon.

Does she have a profile up on 24/7 yet? What’s her star rating? Is her NIL workable into our budget?

 

[countrytider]

Yes, later in the year, a lot of the plays Ty changed failed at the LOS, which again begs the question of did the OL not block it well OR did Ty audible into a play that wasn't going to work against the defensive alignment? TBH, sometimes it looked like the audible by Ty wasn't a good one.

I agree, I think at times Ty was “baited” into changing the play to exactly what the defense wanted..

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I agree, I think at times Ty was “baited” into changing the play to exactly what the defense wanted..

I think that was happening as well. Show one thing, get him to change the play, then back into the defense to defend the type of play he more than likely changed it to.

 

[KrAzY3]

I think that was happening as well. Show one thing, get him to change the play, then back into the defense to defend the type of play he more than likely changed it to.

This entire situation is part of why I think you try to limit how much you put on the shoulder of the QB in the first place, and I've been saying this for a couple years now, how much freedom the QB has to make the play call.

I get it, you need to be able to audible, you need to be able to run the RPO, and these things give some leave way to the QB. But you also need guardrails. One is that the play caller (which should be the OC) needs to be able to assert himself well enough that the play calling reflects what he wants, for instance more balance in the offense, less QB runs, etc...

The other is you just can't put too much on your QBs shoulders anyway, especially if they are a dual threat QB. This is easy to understand when you think of it in terms of sheer math. If I have a QB trying to read the defense and make an audible if needs be, then decide how to run the RPO out of that, if he's pro style, he's just basically choosing run/pass and all his choices are based on that.

If he's dual threat though, he's now reading the defense, making adjustments, doing all these things with a third variable, run/pass/QB run. It makes it much more complicated. From binary to ternary. That's over 50% more information to process.

If you take a QB and ask him to account for nearly 70% of the offense, basically winning the game is on his shoulders, then you let him have information overload, trying to process way more information than a pro style QB, you're putting way too much strain on them. The OC and the run game both need to do a better job of taking some of that burden away.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I'm 59 years old. My memory of Alabama football goes all the way back to the late stages of Bear's career. I have never seen an OL coach put hot garbage like that on the field and actually get better later on. It's never happened. Even if this guy has some ability, a change is needed. Wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I disagree!

Pendry's first year was terrible, but the next year was...wow!

 

[mlh]

I think that was happening as well. Show one thing, get him to change the play, then back into the defense to defend the type of play he more than likely changed it to.

Sometimes you gotta just bow up and run the play that's called. Force your will on your opponent.