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Since Bama routinely lost assistants during CNS era, was curious that IU has only lost strength coach so far. Tenn got a good one.

Pl add anything I may have missed
 
rtr90 said:
Since Bama routinely lost assistants during CNS era, was curious that IU has only lost strength coach so far. Tenn got a good one.

Pl add anything I may have missed
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IU will not lose any of their coordinators or key assistants. Cignetti gave them three year extensions with big raises before the season started. I guess some team could buyout the contract but I'm not sure that is common practice with assistants.
 
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rtr90 said:
Since Bama routinely lost assistants during CNS era, was curious that IU has only lost strength coach so far. Tenn got a good one.

Pl add anything I may have missed
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Yeah it'll be interesting to see how much of Indiana's success is due to the S/C. The guy surely has a good sized impact, as I remember Cochran's impact on the program. I saw this move on Twitter and was a bit surprised at how fast it occurred.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
IU will not lose any of their coordinators or key assistants. Cignetti gave them three year extensions with big raises before the season started. I guess some team could buyout the contract but I'm not sure that is common practice with assistants.
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I don't know about that. I don't see OC and DC leaving but OL, RB and DL and Others .. they could leave for better opportunities.

Bryant Haines (DC): ~$3M/yr (2026), plus retention bonuses, owed 100% of comp if he leaves early (until April 2026).

Mike Shanahan (OC): ~$2.4M in 2025, $2.5M in 2026, $2.6M in 2027; owes 50% of salary if he leaves before April 15.

Other Coaches: Includes a $11M total pool; other key staff like OL Coach Bob Bostad ($900k/yr) and Rod Ojong (CB, $650k/yr) are also well-compensated.
 
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JustNeedMe81 said:
I don't know about that. I don't see OC and DC leaving but OL, RB and DL and Others .. they could leave for better opportunities.

Bryant Haines (DC): ~$3M/yr (2026), plus retention bonuses, owed 100% of comp if he leaves early (until April 2026).

Mike Shanahan (OC): ~$2.4M in 2025, $2.5M in 2026, $2.6M in 2027; owes 50% of salary if he leaves before April 15.

Other Coaches: Includes a $11M total pool; other key staff like OL Coach Bob Bostad ($900k/yr) and Rod Ojong (CB, $650k/yr) are also well-compensated.
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We'll see. But apparently it has been reported the coaches he values the most got very sizeable raises and three year extensions. If they leave it will have to be for a significant step up in title and pay.
 
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We'll see. But apparently it has been reported the coaches he values the most got very sizeable raises and three year extensions. If they leave it will have to be for a significant step up in title and pay.
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nice lockin .. wonder why CNS couldnt enact similar measures
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
For a long time Saban made the assistants agree to guaranteeing him to stay two years. Cignetti maybe following a similar approach but with a little extra money got them to agree to three years.
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Cig obviously thinks a lot of his crew and the results affirm his belief. He's probably smart to lock them in. We'll see if he has the same troubles as CNS in a few years when it comes to having to hire replacements.
 
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Schuman might be a victim of Kirby the way Kirby was of Saban.
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True but I also think Kirby was (pardon the pun) “smart” about it too. Kirby’s dream job was at UGA. I think he felt at some point the PTB at UGA would grow tired of the “close but no cigar” performance by Mark Richt. While I have no way for knowing for sure, I think there may have some programs that may have put “feelers” out to gauge his interest. And I’m sure CNS had his ear in those cases telling him to “wait for the right job”. We know Kirby interviewed at Auburn in 2012 and according to reports was offered the job if he took it immediately (he had committed to continue to coach for Alabama into the post season) which Auburn saw a deal breaker.

In the Auburn situation as well, I think he considered “if I take the Auburn job and UGA comes open, will they consider me coming from one of their biggest rivals?”. Remember when Dye took the Auburn job that Bryant counseled him against it saying, “if he ever had any desire to follow him at Alabama, it would never happen if he was coaching at Auburn”. Yeah I know that Dye was a Georgia guy that coached Auburn and vice versa with Dooley but those were different times.

In the case of Schumann, being in Kirby’s shadow may play a part, but to me Schumann needs a bunch more years as a DC before he is remotely prepared to take over a program. Honestly if Wommack were to leave I’m not so certain I would want him in Tuscaloosa as a DC.
 
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True but I also think Kirby was (pardon the pun) “smart” about it too. Kirby’s dream job was at UGA. I think he felt at some point the PTB at UGA would grow tired of the “close but no cigar” performance by Mark Richt. While I have no way for knowing for sure, I think there may have some programs that may have put “feelers” out to gauge his interest. And I’m sure CNS had his ear in those cases telling him to “wait for the right job”. We know Kirby interviewed at Auburn in 2012 and according to reports was offered the job if he took it immediately (he had committed to continue to coach for Alabama into the post season) which Auburn saw a deal breaker.

In the Auburn situation as well, I think he considered “if I take the Auburn job and UGA comes open, will they consider me coming from one of their biggest rivals?”. Remember when Dye took the Auburn job that Bryant counseled him against it saying, “if he ever had any desire to follow him at Alabama, it would never happen if he was coaching at Auburn”. Yeah I know that Dye was a Georgia guy that coached Auburn and vice vers with Dooley but those were different times.

In the case of Schumann, being in Kirby’s shadow may play a part, but to me Schumann needs a bunch more years as a DC before he is remotely prepared to take over a program. Honestly if Wommack were to leave I’m not so certain I would want him in Tuscaloosa as a DC.
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Kirby also was a twofer for Georgia: weaken Alabama and strengthen Georgia at the same time.

Another knock on Schuman is that he’s the first mate when the defensive ironclad seems to have gotten some holes in it. I wonder if that midseason stiffening was from Kirby becoming more involved on that side.
 
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AlexanderFan said:
Kirby also was a twofer for Georgia: weaken Alabama and strengthen Georgia at the same time.

Another knock on Schuman is that he’s the first mate when the defensive ironclad seems to have gotten some holes in it. I wonder if that midseason stiffening was from Kirby becoming more involved on that side.
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Which is exactly why still have question about Schumann’s effectiveness as a DC.
 
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