little man bovino was whining this weekend that it’s the agents who are the real victims here.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) (part II)
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The “mostly peaceful protesters” red herring?
It’s not the peaceful protesters that I have a problem with (except that it’s a little puzzling that anyone would protest legitimate law enforcement activities).
The ones who are crossing the line into illegal activities are the problem.
Just a bunch of guys bullied in high school and couldn’t wait to turn 21 to write everyone speeding tickets. That’s the sense i get from many in the profession. The bar is set so incredibly low and the training is so lacking to become a police officer.
1) I want the current immigration laws enforced anywhere and everywhere there is a concern but especially at ports of entry into the country.
2) Our immigration system should be modernized similar to a passport system. Immigration, imo, ought to be like buying a cruise ticket. This should be easy and traceable. Pay a fee for the duration of your stay. Once it expires you have a limited time to self deport and deportation offices can be setup an international airports and you can apply for reentry there. People should not be afraid to engage with such a system. If you are avoiding the system we assume you have a criminal motive for doing so.
3) I would remove any illegal immigrants from our prisons as a first priority, they are taxing our system. Based on the severity of the crime, I would recommend immediate deportation on lesser crimes based on extradition treaty where the convict serves out his sentence in his home country. With more serious offenses, this approach may not be appropriate.
4) Yes, within the spirit of existing law. I think the majority of Americans want a well-administered immigration process.
5) Again, the 4A should govern how we pursue/detain illegal immigrants. I think a false arrest/imprisonment should result in pecuniary damages awarded to the detainee. A false arrest is highly defamatory and remediation should imposed by a court of law.
6) Again, this system is broken. I think the visa/passport can have varying levels of privileges based the compliance of your stay, working not working, etc. Voting privileges are accrued as a pathway to citizenship, not just because you are a seasonal worker, that should not take 10 years to achieve. All in all, employers should be encouraged to use the system with built-in safe harbors rather than avoid the system.
There is a lot of, "I dare you to step across this line" nonsense going on. There is no question that these agents are often being provoked into doing something that will be caught on camera. Some of this stuff is, as you pointed out, outright assault. I don't want to see anyone (officer or protester) getting killed out there. But the people behind this (see the latest hoo-haw with the Signal groups) won't be satisfied until they have created the next "Kent State."
Also, just because I don't want to see anyone else killed doesn't mean I won't laugh a people who deserve it. Did y'all catch that video of the protestor who tried to pick up a flash-bang and throw it back at law enforcement? It went off in her hand and I have to say, I didn't chuckle; I guffawed.
In today's episode of "Back Away from the Ledge Before You Do Something Irrevocable," a nurse at VCU went on TikTok and advocated everyday people injecting a temporary paralysis drug into ICE agents and poisoning them. She also encouraged women to date these guys and "drug" their food.
In a water is wet outcome, she's been placed on leave, and the police have been notified.
townhall.com
In a water is wet outcome, she's been placed on leave, and the police have been notified.
VCU Health Nurse Placed on Leave, Facing Investigation After Urging the Poisoning of ICE Agents
Nurse faces investigation after urging violence against ICE agents in controversial videos.
townhall.com
I saw that this morning. How can someone smart enough to get through nursing school be this dumb?In today's episode of "Back Away from the Ledge Before You Do Something Irrevocable," a nurse at VCU went on TikTok and advocated everyday people injecting a temporary paralysis drug into ICE agents and poisoning them. She also encouraged women to date these guys and "drug" their food.
In a water is wet outcome, she's been placed on leave, and the police have been notified.
VCU Health Nurse Placed on Leave, Facing Investigation After Urging the Poisoning of ICE Agents
Nurse faces investigation after urging violence against ICE agents in controversial videos.
Is the TV footage AI generated then?
I agree that this latest killing, at least, was over the top, although neither of the victims was blameless. They were interfering with operations against violent criminals. But if the officers are unstable, cowardly, untrained, jack-booted Nazis, why put your life in their hands?
They won’t say it in those words, but they’ve demonized the police, calling them the gestapo. Walz compared illegal alien criminals with Anne Frank. Even the holocaust museum told him to shut up. Mentally unstable people, believing the gestapo is rounding up innocent people, will react to irresponsible and untruthful comments like these.
Thanks all of you for sharing your thoughts. Here are mine:
I would emphasize border enforcement. This is one of those cases in which an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Focusing interior enforcement on illegals already detained for some crime or another. Inside the country, it is better and safer for all concerned. It also, by definition, focuses enforcement on those who commit crimes, not on those who are living law-abiding productive lives. If an illegal immigrant/undocumented migrant commits a crime serious enough to be jailed, he would seem a good candidate for transfer and processing for deportation. I was surprised by 92tide's link showing the Minnesota was cooperating with ICE on detainee transfers. Given the rhetoric from elected officials, I thought that non-cooperation was absolute.
As for non-criminal illegal immigrants, I believe self-deportation is the best policy. I believe the US is doing this, but I would not make it so lucrative that it pays to get yourself smuggle into the country only to "volunteer" for self-deportation.
If ICE does go to residences to apprehend illegals with outstanding deportation orders, it is best that ICE and local authorities cooperate and ICE focus on the person to while local police focus on crowd control, because things like crowd control are better in the hands of local police. They are better trained and equipped and under the control of local elected officials, and can more easily be prosecuted in case of abuse. When ICE attempts it, they are at the very least clumsy and sometimes deadly. The local police can honestly say, "We are here to protect you from ICE," which would be a popular message in Minnesota, and woudl actually be true.
The ideal would be a Minneapolis police cruiser going to the residence with one ICE rep in some low-visibility mode (so ICE is the one actually detaining, not the local police) to pick up the ones with outstanding deportation orders.
Right now the rhetoric is super heated and leaders are not leading.
I would emphasize border enforcement. This is one of those cases in which an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Focusing interior enforcement on illegals already detained for some crime or another. Inside the country, it is better and safer for all concerned. It also, by definition, focuses enforcement on those who commit crimes, not on those who are living law-abiding productive lives. If an illegal immigrant/undocumented migrant commits a crime serious enough to be jailed, he would seem a good candidate for transfer and processing for deportation. I was surprised by 92tide's link showing the Minnesota was cooperating with ICE on detainee transfers. Given the rhetoric from elected officials, I thought that non-cooperation was absolute.
As for non-criminal illegal immigrants, I believe self-deportation is the best policy. I believe the US is doing this, but I would not make it so lucrative that it pays to get yourself smuggle into the country only to "volunteer" for self-deportation.
If ICE does go to residences to apprehend illegals with outstanding deportation orders, it is best that ICE and local authorities cooperate and ICE focus on the person to while local police focus on crowd control, because things like crowd control are better in the hands of local police. They are better trained and equipped and under the control of local elected officials, and can more easily be prosecuted in case of abuse. When ICE attempts it, they are at the very least clumsy and sometimes deadly. The local police can honestly say, "We are here to protect you from ICE," which would be a popular message in Minnesota, and woudl actually be true.
The ideal would be a Minneapolis police cruiser going to the residence with one ICE rep in some low-visibility mode (so ICE is the one actually detaining, not the local police) to pick up the ones with outstanding deportation orders.
Right now the rhetoric is super heated and leaders are not leading.
Unless you're leading a bunch of mindless lemmings off a cliff.
That’s still not rhetoric that encourages violence. It’s an argument that harsh criticism of law enforcement might influence unstable people to act. That’s speculation, not incitement.
You can fairly criticize inflammatory language or bad historical analogies without redefining political criticism as a call to violence. If calling state actions authoritarian or abusive is treated as encouraging violence, then meaningful criticism of power becomes impossible.
Responsibility for violence belongs to the person who commits it, not to politicians who never urged it.
Anne Frank was targeted and murdered solely because she was Jewish. Leaders making false equivalencies to her experience for political purposes is never acceptable. Despite tensions in Minneapolis, exploiting the Holocaust is deeply offensive, especially as antisemitism surges.
How did Donald Trump graduate from an Ivy League school with an Economics degree and file bankruptcy six times?
How did Sidney Powell ever finish law school at Chapel Hill much less sound like a loon?
How did Nixon graduate from Duke Law School and yet was dumb enough to do Watergate?
Comparing federal law enforcement to the Gestapo is close enough for me. If I thought the Gestapo was here dragging innocent people out and taking them to concentration camps, I would consider it my responsibility to oppose it. He knew what he was doing. He should have been calling for everyone to go home, so it’s not enough to say he’s off the hook because he didn’t specifically use the words “riot” or “insurrection.”
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