Who's watching the World Cup?

I know this is a World Cup thread but, MLS started back up and I have watched some in an effort to continue to grow my interest in the sport post WC.

To may amateur soccer fan eyes, the level of play did not seem well rounded. If the WC is the MLB, MLS feels like the minors. Would that be a correct statement?

It’s not that there is necessarily more scoring. What I noticed, and I’m still learning the game, is defenses seem slower to react leading to more breakaway runs. But then those attackers on those breakaways do not seem to sustain it as well, allow the defense to recover or their shots are not as accurate. The offensive style seems to lean more into breakaways and less trying to set up crosses like in the WC. Now I haven’t watched much MLS so maybe it was a few fluky matches.

After getting use to the level of play at the WC, MLS has been a little disappointing so far. As someone that has started to understand and enjoy the game, how do I not let MLS ruin that enjoyment? Are there better leagues to watch, preferably that don’t require yet another subscription?
 
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I know this is a World Cup thread but, MLS started back up and I have watched some in an effort to continue to grow my interest in the sport post WC.

To may amateur soccer fan eyes, the level of play did not seem well rounded. If the WC is the MLB, MLS feels like the minors. Would that be a correct statement?

It’s not that there is necessarily more scoring. What I noticed, and I’m still learning the game, is defenses seem slower to react leading to more breakaway runs. But then those attackers on those breakaways do not seem to sustain it as well, allow the defense to recover or their shots are not as accurate. The offensive style seems to lean more into breakaways and less trying to set up crosses like in the WC. Now I haven’t watched much MLS so maybe it was a few fluky matches.

After getting use to the level of play at the WC, MLS has been a little disappointing so far. As someone that has started to understand and enjoy the game, how do I not let MLS ruin that enjoyment? Are there better leagues to watch, preferably that don’t require yet another subscription?
It’s definitely a much lower level of talent and competition.

For added perspective the quality of the teams top to bottom in the World Cup isn’t equal to the teams in the European Championship (the highest quality international championship in the world top to bottom).

And none of them have the quality teams that the English Premier League has top to bottom.

That, and La Liga, have the greatest teams in the world.
 
To may amateur soccer fan eyes, the level of play did not seem well rounded. If the WC is the MLB, MLS feels like the minors. Would that be a correct statement?

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MLS would be more like single A. It is brutal, but if you like soccer, it fills a dead spot during the rest of the soccer world's offseason(although in 2027 MLS is moving its season to match the rest of the world now).

Let me make two suggestions.

1. Watch the English Premier League.

-While there are other phenomenal teams around the world like: Paris Saint-Germain(France), Bayern Munich(Germany), Real Madrid(Spain), Barcelona(Spain), Inter Milan(Italy), and more...the best league is the English Premier League.
-The promotion/relegation setup and qualification for European play truly make the end of the season magical. To explain: in the Premier League, the top 4 teams automatically qualify for the UEFA Champions League(Basically a tournament of top teams from leagues all across Europe...think the college football playoffs but for an entire continent). Just as exciting as watching the winners is that the teams that place in the bottom 3(places 18-20) get relegated to the league below them, and the top 3 teams from the league below get promoted. Every year is a battle to ensure that you don't get relegated because this usually requires you to sell your top players for cash, as playing in the league below is financially not even close(Average revenue of the Premier League is 340 million per club vs 39 million for the league below.)

-To use football: It would be like if Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M made the college playoff while Auburn, Mississippi State, and Arkansas had to go play in the ACC.

-There is actually much more involved in all of this, but it's pretty hard to explain. I have been a Sunderland fan for the last 25 years...and the last 2 years have been insane. 5 years ago the team was in the 3rd division of English football and has fought their way back up to the Premier League last season. They were predicted to finish dead last(20th) last season but ended up finishing 7th...which qualified them for what is called the Europa League(same thing as the UEFA Champions League but lower. A tournament for all of Europe, but for teams that finished like 3rd or 4th in their league. No offense to football(which is still my first love), but there is no other sport in which finishing 7th elicits the kind of joy as this does.


2. Watch UEFA Champions League.
-For real. Especially in the later rounds when the teams are truly elite, it will give you WC vibes.
 
Let me make two suggestions.

1. Watch the English Premier League.
This, plus, pick a team to follow; especially one most often televised in the US. Those clubs are, in order (according to Chat research):
  1. Manchester United
  2. Arsenal
  3. Liverpool
  4. Manchester City
  5. Chelsea
  6. Tottenham Hotspur
I follow Chelsea for family reasons, but for a neophyte EPL follower the closest analogy to Alabama football is either Liverpool (tradition and expectation of winning something meaningful every season) or Manchester United (traditional power that followers of every other club love to hate).
 
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This, plus, pick a team to follow; especially one most often televised in the US. Those clubs are, in order (according to Chat research):
  1. Manchester United
  2. Arsenal
  3. Liverpool
  4. Manchester City
  5. Chelsea
  6. Tottenham Hotspur
I follow Chelsea for family reasons, but for a neophyte EPL follower the closest analogy to Alabama football is either Liverpool (tradition and expectation of winning something meaningful every season) or Manchester United (traditional power that followers of every other club love to hate).
NBC/USA/Peacock show EVERY Premier League game all season so your list does not make sense to me. All Champions League and Caraboe Cup games are on Paramount+, and FA Cup on ESPN+. You can tell by my Avatar of Sergio Aguero which team I have followed for the past 73 years. I follow Man City because my brother chose United. Rodri has been my favorite player since 2021. As the Spanish team stayed in Chattanooga for the group stage, I am supporting them for today's World Cup Final.
 
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NBC/USA/Peacock show EVERY Premier League game all season so your list does not make sense to me. All Champions League and Caraboe Cup games are on Paramount+, and FA Cup on ESPN+….
I think this is right, but the question we were answering was “what can I do without adding another paid subscription?” The odds of seeing “your“ team on your standard cable or Hulu Live (or whatever) subscription are best with those teams…
 
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What I would have said - my son is visiting, and I don't get to see him often - has largely been covered here. I'm a longtime fan of Ipswich Town, who have ascended (again!) into the Premier League, and I had the fortune to live IN IPSWICH in 1978, when they won the FA Cup, a glamour competition that has since lowered in prestige but back then was like winning the Daytona 500 in NASCAR used to be - a dark horse team could take it, it was sort of the Super Bowl at the time. The change to the PL in 1992 has lowered the value of it.

I began re-watching football (it will always be football to me - I was introduced to it before I learned of that American game based on rugby) in the fall of 2022, when it was part of my Peacock plan and Saturday mornings became fun times to watch several contests. I also agree with the "pick a team to follow" strategy, although in my case it's a "second team to follow". For those who are thinking, "Hey, I may watch this starting next month," here's a basic team guide to PL teams using college football teams as the parallel:


THE BLUE BLOODS
Liverpool
- Alabama - the most honors of any team, has never been relegated from the PL, 8 FA Cups and 47 major trophies. Much of Liverpool's trophy case has come from being not just the best team in England, but the BEST TEAM IN ALL OF EUROPE. Six times they've been the best team in Europe, right there Bayern Munich and Barcelona, legendary teams. Liverpool has won the most trophies and the sum total most of the most prestigious ones as well.

Manchester United - Notre Dame - A rich and storied history with 13 FA Cups and 44 major trophies but hasn't finished in first place since 2013. A lot of their glory is long ago, the most notable being when they lost the 1957 FA Cup and half the team was killed in a plane crash in Munich the following February - and they made the 1958 FA Cup final only to lose again with half a team of backups.

One could argue these two placements, but Liverpool has had more recent success than Man United has.

Arsenal - Ohio State - a team with a long history of consistency even when they aren't winning titles. They've won the most FA Cups (14), but they've won a bunch of them in more recent years when it has lost the prestige, sorta like the Buckeyes winning so many titles under Woody Hayes and comparatively fewer later.


THE NEAR ELITE
Manchester City
- Oregon - their history is phenomenal, but they're unfortunately in the same area with Notre Dame. Btw, the winningest team in English football history is Manchester United (City is 5th), and City is also 5th in win pct. Recent success.

Chelsea - Oklahoma - they have a lot of success, but it doesn't seem to register near so much as the teams listed above. They have spurts of success here and there, but rarely a powerhouse dominant team that takes a bunch in one season.

STEADY TEAMS WITH SOME HISTORICAL HIGHS
Tottenham Hotspur - Penn State
- a steady team that has had some clusters of great accomplishment mixed with, "well, they're just there." And their arch rival is Arsenal, but Arsenal's arch rival is probably not Tottenham, too.

Aston Villa - Nebraska - a team that has a lot of hardware...because they won so much of it long ago. They have seven FA Cups but none since 1957 (they beat Man United, and their goalscorer, Peter McParland, always blamed himself for the Munich air crash that destroyed United the next year). They won the League Cup five times but none since 1996. And they won one European Cup - in 1982. The difference is, they haven't sunk to oblivion like Nebraska, but their big wins were decades ago, too.

Everton - Tennessee - a team that has a lot of hardware...again, because they won so much of it long ago. Five FA Cups (when it meant something) but none since 1995. Nine first place titles but none since 1987. And their stadium until recently could be seen from Liverpool's as they were only 1.4 miles away. They escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth just three years ago, scoring in the waning moments to survive. And their archrivals? Liverpool/Alabama. The one thing Everton has going for them: they have spent more years in the top flight than any other team, including 72 consecutive now, second only to Arsenal.

THE SPOILERS
Newcastle United - Auburn
- their success has been in their consistency. Just as Auburn historically goes 8-4 on average every year, Newcastle doesn't do much but they do enough that you know who they are. (They were relegated the year I left England in 1978). They've won six FA Cups but none since 1955. They did win the League Cup in 2025. Basically, they're there and can pull off the shocker, but nboody will confuse them with the top teams.

Nottingham Forest - Ole Miss - for one dazzling shining moment in the late 1970s under one coach (Brian Clough), Forest were among the elite. The rest of their entire existence has been "remember how great we were in the 70s?" They've been relegated a few times before and since, rising back up in 2022. But for fans of a certain age they still have a cache about them. Plus, their name is kinda famous.
 
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OVERRATED
Leeds United - Clemson
- their juice has never been worth the squeeze. They once had a powerful name, as they won the First Division (now PL) in 1969 and 1974 as well as the FA Cup in 1972. This is Leeds: the manager of their glorious period (Don Revie) left to take over the England national team and flopped spectacularly. His replacement? The same Brian Clough I just mentioned, who they canned after 44 days. He went to Forest and turned them into an attention getter and Leeds has been a nobody ever since.

DIFFICULT TO HANDICAP AT THIS POINT
Sunderland - Colorado
- of all the teams in this section, Sunderland probably have the most glorious history. They have six first-place finishes in top flight, though none since 1936. And they are one of the rare lower division teams to stun the world with a shocking upset, winning the 1973 FA Cup over defending champion Leeds (see above for how good they were at that time). They just got promoted into the PL again last year and stunned everyone with a seventh place finish. Whether they can sustain that or not - we'll find out.

THE PL RIFF-RAFF
Bournemouth - Arizona State
- seriously, I'd never heard of this team when I began watching again. They're a Johnny-come-lately team that basically stays in the PL every year by throttling the teams that just got promoted. They've never won anything beyond the Second Division championship ONCE. They DID finish second in the league - once (2022).

Brentford - N Dakota State - they did well moving up the league pyramid. Now they're here and......nothing. They're just there.

Brighton and Hove Albion - South Carolina - does well against lesser competition, not so great (but usually competitive) against the tough teams.

THE BOTTOM FEEDERS
Coventry City - Georgia Tech
- they had one magical year where they won the FA Cup (1987), and they've been little more than a curiosity ever since. No record of this team hiring dabaxter's choice as coach. IYKYK.

Crystal Palace - Texas A/M - they finally won something in 2025, the FA Cup. This has led to the expectation that Crystal Palace is just "right there," just waiting to really make the move and pull off something stellar. Their goalie is the guy on the England national team. They'll do nothing, of course, but the expectation that they can be the breakout success is real. For those who don't know, their stadium was blown up by women demanding the right to vote in 1913. Which sounds about like a military school.

Fulham - Iowa State - a team that managers who go on to greater success stop by OR they hire a former legendary player to coach them. They've never won anything and lost the only FA Cup (1975) in which they appeared.

Hull City - Cincinnati - they're only in the PL (like the team in the 2021 playoffs) based on a technicality. Hull benefited from the recent Spygate scandal.

Ipswich Town - Mississippi State - they had one narrow window of success, technically two, kinda like MSU (1980-81, the Mullen years). They won the 1978 FA Cup, finished 2nd twice right after that (they were leading the league but because they had 14 games pushed to the final weeks of the season, the exhaustion killed them. This is why now they have set off weeks for teams to rest), and they won the UEFA Cup in 1981. Manager Alf Ramsey lifted them into the First Division and they finished first the first year - which led to him leading England to the 1966 World Cup triumph. Bobby Robson, who had that other success, coached the England national team in the 1986 and 1990 Cups. Plus, the team is in an agricultural area of England and nicknamed the Tractor Boys. Prior to the 90s they were at least reasonably steady, but they were in the THIRD division as recently as 2022. They tend to rate as "team most likely to not go right back down" with their infrastructure, but they're not going to pull a Leicester and win it all this year.
 
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THE ELITE
Manchester City
- Michigan - their history is phenomenal, but they're unfortunately in the same area with Notre Dame. Btw, the winningest team in English football history is Manchester United (City is 5th), and City is also 5th in win pct. The Michigan parallel isn't the wins against cheapskates so much as it is they're right near a more glamorous team...
My only significant quibble with this is over your suggested CFB analog for Man City. I don't think it's Michigan, but rather Oregon: traditional middle-of-the-pack program whose relatively recent ascent into the sport’s elite closely followed significant financial investment primarily from one benefactor.
 
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My only significant quibble with this is over your suggested CFB analog for Man City. I don't think it;s Michigan, but rather Oregon: traditional middle-of-the-pack program whose relatively recent ascent into the sport’s elite closely followed significant financial investment primarily from one benefactor.

Fair point.
 
THE NEAR ELITE
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Chelsea - Oklahoma - they have a lot of success, but it doesn't seem to register near so much as the teams listed above. They have spurts of success here and there, but rarely a powerhouse dominant team that takes a bunch in one season...
On further review, not that Chelsea = OU is wrong, but there's a case to be made for LSU--lots of coaching turnover (uh oh, maybe my EPL team is Auburn!!!), and yet still at or near top of the table most years (so, not Auburn; phew!!!)...
 
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