First of all, recruits. Do we lose a good number of our recruits already committed? Second of all, I know we have to run the ball to be successful, but I want a coach who takes advantage of our passing game. JPW will be a great QB, and geez at what our WR group could look like next year. Hall,Brown,Stover,Oakley,Caddell, McCoy,Alexander. Anyway what are some of your thoughts on all of that should a change be made? rtr.... its hard to be a bama fan today.
If Shula is fired my concerns are...
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The best interests of the entire program can't be held hostage by fears of losing a few recruits. Besides, recruits don't really matter all that much if their talents are stifled by lousy coaching.
Yes, I can see where it is hard to be a fair weather fan, like most on this board seem to be.
Tell me, are you a Shula fan or a Tide fan? They are not the same thing. Those who are calling for Shula to go are doing so because they love this program, not because they are jerks that want Shula to suffer.
You are entitled to your opinion, but do us all a favor and think a bit before painting everyone that doesn't support Shula as being fair weather fans...
Wow, so when someone sees our team continually getting worse over the course of the season, when the head coach makes bone-headed decisions on and off the field, when discipline is an obviou problem, calling for changes is 'fair weathered'?
Just wow.
Whatever happened to demanding excellence? Please don't tell me that the acceptance of mediocrity that has taken over this country in the last few decades has infected the university and it's fan base...
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I think that we need to face some facts about our program in general right now. When CMS took over the program, he inherited a mess. He took over the program in a terrible situation that all other coaches we talked to would not touch. Shula has basically the same staff that he started with and I think that that is where the first changes need to be made, not at the top. If the changes are made and the team still flops, then it would be time to show him the door. Not now.
We as a fanbase need to show that we are willing to give a coach the the time to take the team from the ground floor to the penthouse again. Otherwise, what quality coach is going to look at our program and want to take over, when he knows he won't be given the time to make the program over his way? What players are going to want to come here when they constantly hear that their coach is on the hot seat?
The higher ups in the Athletic Dept. have not been the most progressive in their mind set about identifting and getting coaching talent. If you are going to replace CMS, it better be with someone very good and you better do it fast to avoid further damaging the program.
Right now, if CMS will make changes on the staff, give up playcalling and get those players in the weight room at every waking moment, I think he should stay. Just my $.02.
We as a fanbase need to show that we are willing to give a coach the the time to take the team from the ground floor to the penthouse again. Otherwise, what quality coach is going to look at our program and want to take over, when he knows he won't be given the time to make the program over his way? What players are going to want to come here when they constantly hear that their coach is on the hot seat?
The higher ups in the Athletic Dept. have not been the most progressive in their mind set about identifting and getting coaching talent. If you are going to replace CMS, it better be with someone very good and you better do it fast to avoid further damaging the program.
Right now, if CMS will make changes on the staff, give up playcalling and get those players in the weight room at every waking moment, I think he should stay. Just my $.02.
My concerns are:
1. The administration won't make a solid hire.
Alabama is in approximately the same condition as Southern Cal when Pete Carrol was hired. A storied program, fallen on bad times due to terrible management.
Dominence is still possible in the new millineum, you just have to get a winning coach. Winning attracts great recruits and then the winning becomes almost automatic.
Bama should flex its "storied program status" and get an NFL head coach or fiery coordinator that has mentored under a winning NFL HC.
1. The administration won't make a solid hire.
Alabama is in approximately the same condition as Southern Cal when Pete Carrol was hired. A storied program, fallen on bad times due to terrible management.
Dominence is still possible in the new millineum, you just have to get a winning coach. Winning attracts great recruits and then the winning becomes almost automatic.
Bama should flex its "storied program status" and get an NFL head coach or fiery coordinator that has mentored under a winning NFL HC.
LOL - I live in NJ. There are no conversations around the water cooler about college football unless they are about Rutgers. College football barely exists up here.
Again, try not to paint with too broad a brush. You make yourself look foolish...
Again, try not to paint with too broad a brush. You make yourself look foolish...
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Let's see if we can't disagree without the attacks on those who disagree with us. In fact, I insist upon it...
I think what is consistently missing from those people who want Shula to say is an evaluation of the coach. Prove what Shula has done that makes him an excellent coach, and I'll listen.
That's the point................there is no way that anywhere in CMS career that he has been successful. There is no way it can be done so you will hear only a multitude of excuses as in .....we are this close,way young,needs to have 10 years of his recruits,needs an act of GOD!:redface:
I agree with the comments regarding the loss of a few recruits versus the long term direction of the program. Short term pain for long term gain is sometimes necessary.
With the talent we will have on the field next year, any coach with decent offensive credentials will be able to come in and win big.
With the talent we will have on the field next year, any coach with decent offensive credentials will be able to come in and win big.
Yes, a coaching change may cause a few recruits to decide to look elsewhere. Yes, there will be a year or two of adjusting to yet another new system.
BUT my concern is that is we don't make a change, we will continue to experience year after year of playing well at times and being "this close" but rarely winning a game of any consequence. Consistently placing 3rd or 4th in the SEC West. Consistently losing to our biggest rivals. No longer being a factor in the national college football conversation. This is not acceptable.
We're in a tough spot for sure, and a coaching change is never easy. But you should be more concerned about not making a change that has become obviously necessary.
BUT my concern is that is we don't make a change, we will continue to experience year after year of playing well at times and being "this close" but rarely winning a game of any consequence. Consistently placing 3rd or 4th in the SEC West. Consistently losing to our biggest rivals. No longer being a factor in the national college football conversation. This is not acceptable.
We're in a tough spot for sure, and a coaching change is never easy. But you should be more concerned about not making a change that has become obviously necessary.
First; I don't know if Shula will be fired or not.
Second; I'm not really sure what my concerns are one way or another.
Third: I'm almost 50 and I've been a BAMA fan for as long as I can remember. I don't ever in the darkest days of the program remember being happy that a season has ended, but I'm glad the suffering of this season has ended.
I don't reckon this addresses the point of this thread, but I needed to say something.
Second; I'm not really sure what my concerns are one way or another.
Third: I'm almost 50 and I've been a BAMA fan for as long as I can remember. I don't ever in the darkest days of the program remember being happy that a season has ended, but I'm glad the suffering of this season has ended.
I don't reckon this addresses the point of this thread, but I needed to say something.
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true. as Joe Kines said "winning is the best recruiting tool you have."
average seasons=average recruits
A better gauge would, I think, be to look at what aspects of the team's play have improved during the last four years.
Play calling--minimal improvement. If Shula could rid himself of an apparent belief that there is a constitutional requirement that he run that freaking draw play on 2nd and long. More troubling is time management. A QB w/ a suspect OL needs as much time as he can get to get set, read the defense, and audible if necessary. That problem was glaringly evident last night,
The play calling close to the end zone has been discussed enough, I think, so I will just mention it and move on. Were it not for this issue, I'd be inclined to rate playcalling a little higher.
OL--Has there been any improvement on the OL in the last four years? The only improvement I've seen is that addition of Andre Smith, and that's a testament to recruiting, not coaching. If anything, this unit has gotten progressivle worse, resulting in a weak line that cannot open running lanes or control defenders trying to get to the QB. I've said it before and I'll say it again--A new OL coach is a must if Shula is going to stay. The OL needs a new direction, and more importantly, a new attitude.
RB--Running backs have been solid throughout the four years. Problems this year are a result of injury and poor line play.
WR--a puzzlement. We've a lot of talent here, but the WR corps doesn't seem to be developing. Sloppy routes, poor hands--that's indicative of poor coaching. If Prothro comes back next year, we could have the best WR corps in the nation--but will it be a result of coaching or raw talent?
QB--Say what you will about his HC skills, but Shula is clearly bringing JPW along well. At times he has perhaps asked too much of a 1st year starter, but the TD to McCall and the bullet thrown to KB on a quick slant show that JPW is making exceptional progress.
DL--They had an off year this year, but they've been solid over the last four years. I think the DL (and for that matter, the entire team) has suffered from a lack of on field leadership.
LB--There's no question that Kines can coach up LBs. We've had problems this year, but that was to be expected with the talent we lost.
CB--See LB.
Game management--Some of the stuff we saw yesterday would have been understandable in Shula's first year, but not in his fourth.
Special teams--My heart doesn't stop whenever we field a punt. That is primarily due to graduation, not coaching. They're still inconsistent, and often a liability.
So I count two areas (OL, game management, ST) where there has been no progress or even regression over the last four years.
One other (WR) have show some improvement, but not nearly as much as we need to see.
If Shula is going to stay, he needs a new OL and a new special teams coach. A WR coach might not be a bad idea either, but frankly, making massive changes could send the wrong message. Targeting the major weaknesses will address the major problems, and might also inform the minor weaknesses that they had best step up their games.
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