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Discussion of what happens to us in the second half (coaching/lack of fire?- MERGED)

Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

Not in my opinion. Turnovers are killing us in changing the momentum in games. Take away those turnovers and Ole Miss never gets back in the game. Same with Kentucky.

We were calling passes in the second half but the coaches can't control where the qb chooses to throw the ball or how well the OL blocks. They're are taught what to do and it's the players job to execute it.
 
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Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

I agree with us going conservative. I don't remember us trying to get to Julio when he was drawing one-on-one's in second half like we did in the first--trusting he would go get it. I don't remember us using 2nd and short to take a play action pass (in fact, don't remember us using play action a single time yesterday--but I'm old and sometimes forget!). I think we try to go to the man-up and run over them and run the clock out and with a team as physical as OM (and one down the road in BR) that won't work for us. We need to keep the hammer down on O. But then, i'm not getting paid the big bucks and we are 7-0 so maybe not as smart as I wish!!!
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Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

Not trying to blame turnovers on conservative playcalling but when Coffee got hit and coughed it up i knew that he was going to get the ball in that situation. When other teams have a good idea who is going to get the rock it is easier to blow up the play. When a back is known to fumble they will rip at it even more. Still that is no excuse for fumbling. I really believe that Ingram should start the second half and that his touches should increase. I like Coffee alot but his tendency to fumble along with Ingrams good play should warrant that.
 
Re: What is causing Bamas let downs?

I recently read THE LONG SHADOW OF COACH PAUL BEAR BRYANT by Dr. Gaylon McCollough, who was the center on the 1964 national championship team. There Dr. McC tells some things never heard before about The Coach. One of them is this, concerning a team's "getting over the hump." He says that every year the players knew that one practice would be "gut-check time." They didn't know when it would be. That day came, and Bryant told the offense to march the ball down the field and score. When the offense didn't get the ball across the goal line, Bryant jumped down from the tower, strode across the field, and kicked the OL in the rear who had missed the block on the goal line. McCollough said that he himself later came to understand what Bryant was trying to teach them when they played Texas in the 1965 Orange Bowl. Namath scored what should have been the winning TD, but a referee ruled that he had NOT cross the goal line. When the players came off the field complaining that Namath had scored, Bryant said, "If Joe had walked in, there would have been no question." This present Bama team is not "there" yet. There are still a lot of questions. I certainly don't have the answers, and I doubt if anyone does. They are not yet putting teams away like the great Bryant teams did. I expect that the great Saban Bama teams WILL.
 
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Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

bamainbigd said:
Not trying to blame turnovers on conservative playcalling but when Coffee got hit and coughed it up i knew that he was going to get the ball in that situation. When other teams have a good idea who is going to get the rock it is easier to blow up the play. When a back is known to fumble they will rip at it even more. Still that is no excuse for fumbling. I really believe that Ingram should start the second half and that his touches should increase. I like Coffee alot but his tendency to fumble along with Ingrams good play should warrant that.
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Before each play you have a 50/50 chance of guessing the play. It's either going to be a run or pass. So "knowing" a team is going to run doesn't mean they have as much advantage as we may think. Is he going to run between the tackles, off the edge or around the ends?

Our problem is FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS. We have too many turnovers in the second half, we have too many breakdowns on the OL in the second half etc. This is the players responsibility. When you're up by 21 pts at the half there's not much "pep" talk or adjustments that need to be made.
 
Re: What is causing Bamas let downs?

We have gotten outscored 61-13 in the second half the past three games. On offense we get to complacent and i would say thats a lack of leadership on the field not off.
The defense is playing good but they stay on the field in the second half and we just don't have the depth and experience to stay fresh. Our DL rotates but our LB's AND db's are run ragged.
I would say looking at some of the talent on the field at certain positions the coaching staff has overachieved and gotten us where no one thought we would be 7-0.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

Well, I could forgive the fumble yesterday, if it weren't for the other ones. Yesterday was one of the most vicious hits I've seen on a back in a long time, and he hadn't really completely controlled the handoff. I think CNS will blame the OL who whiffed equally. I'm going to go back and look at it. The sound was impressive, and it sure did sound like helmet to helmet...
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

TIDE-HSV said:
Well, I could forgive the fumble yesterday, if it weren't for the other ones. Yesterday was one of the most vicious hits I've seen on a back in a long time, and he hadn't really completely controlled the handoff. I think CNS will blame the OL who whiffed equally. I'm going to go back and look at it. The sound was impressive, and it sure did sound like helmet to helmet...
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That was one heck of a hit!
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

TIDE-HSV said:
Well, I could forgive the fumble yesterday, if it weren't for the other ones. Yesterday was one of the most vicious hits I've seen on a back in a long time, and he hadn't really completely controlled the handoff. I think CNS will blame the OL who whiffed equally. I'm going to go back and look at it. The sound was impressive, and it sure did sound like helmet to helmet...
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I think we're going to begin seeing more of 22 next weekend. 38 will probably relieve him. I agree that fumble may go on the OL but Coffee may have fumbled too often in too short of time for a change not to be made. Danielson made several references to it but Ingram just is a complete back and is going to be a stud. He looks like a faster Emmit Smith with that 22 jersey.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

These 2nd half let-downs go all the way back to the bowl game last year. Each time I see us on the cusp of putting the game away but then we have only one or two breakdowns and that is enough to let the other team back in. Be it a blow out or a close game, it always comes down to just a few plays as Coach Stallings would say. The law of averages say we will either get those key plays in the 2nd half and really put a team away at some point or we will lose a game.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

Sometimes, but I didn't feel it was so much yesterday. If I remember, Bama ran a pass play on 4th and 1, but failed to convert. To me thats not conservative, when Bama runs the ball as well as they do. Poor execution on offense hurt more than anything, which started at the Oline. Credit OM defense which was able to put pressure on JPW consistently in the second half, even without Hardy in the game. On the JPW interception, it appeared McCoy cut the route short or something and wasn't where JPW thought he was going to be. All in all, I thought JPW played really well. Those two td passes were beauties.
Btw, Lswho fans have always maintained that Saban-led teams tend to get conservative with a lead, so maybe thats a factor, I'm not sure.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

That was a vicious hit but they were keying on the run. They got penetration and blew Glen up. My question is why were they keying the run? Do we have a tendency to become conservative when we have the lead? I guess that i would like to see a comparison of run/pass plays in the first half and then the second half.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

We all got to see what not giving any effort looked like during the Shula era. What we saw yesterday is not a lack of effort. These kids do care and do want to win. Our opponents are making halftime adjustments and we dont seem to be. We just do more of the same in the 2nd half.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

The play calling is still 50/50, The coaches don't fumble the ball or throw INT's when we should be putting the game away.
The coaching staff had the right call on the fake FG, We just had a unnamed DB muff the play and run five yards past the player with the ball. In my opinion that was the turning point of the game. Right call very poor execution.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

In CNS press conference he seemed to be looking at the line on that one. He even said Glenn didn't have a chance to complete his tuck before being hit.

As for the playcalling I do believe its more conservative on both sides of the ball. The defense however has held up their end pretty good. When you run those defenses you know you will give up points, the key is making the other team earn them slowly and eat up the clock for you. The second part of the equation is your offense is supposed to be able to control the ball and chew up the rest of the clock with long sustained drives. That's the part we aren't executing. If that second half game plan is executed properly the other team gets a few points, but so do you and the clock runs out.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

jeremy said:
We all got to see what not giving any effort looked like during the Shula era. What we saw yesterday is not a lack of effort. These kids do care and do want to win. Our opponents are making halftime adjustments and we dont seem to be. We just do more of the same in the 2nd half.
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It's really hard to adjust when your winning. You know that your opponents are going to adjust, but you never really know how. It's hard to adjust to their adjustments when you don't know what adjustments they are making.


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( I just wanted to say those words one more time.:biggrin:)
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

When the head coach's stated goal is to be a physically dominant football team that other teams hate to play, and when that has you to a 31-0 or 24-3 lead at the half, what would your adjustments be? A truly dominant football team is one that can do what everybody knows they are about to do and do it anyway. We are clearly not quite there yet, but how else would you get there other than putting it on the field?

The only thing I would quibble with in the least is my pereceived shortage of play-action passing and my perceived lack of playing off the left-side dominance on the OL with more traps and misdirection back to the right, but I also don't know/recall if these types of plays are being called and simply not being properly executed.

Simply put, for those who are worried about going conservative, I will leave you with the same advice that was given to one of my wealthy clients who was contemplating a fairly risky investment that had a lot of potential - both good and bad. The advice was that the client was already wealthy, so why get crazy chasing that investment when it could mean starting over?

There are a lot of teams that would like to be where we are right now. Don't forget that we are playing in the SEC, and as one of the guys on the Sports Reporters said earlier this morning, there is nobody in the SEC that you can beat 69-0.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

I have said this before, and pardon me if you are getting tired of hearing (reading) it from me, but I think that the problem is that this team lacks a killer instinct. You have to want to destroy the other team, not just beat them. You have to want to beat them so badly that they never want to play you again.

This team lacks that, and I am not sure that you can coach it...
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

NYBamaFan said:
I have said this before, and pardon me if you are getting tired of hearing (reading) it from me, but I think that the problem is that this team lacks a killer instinct. You have to want to destroy the other team, not just beat them. You have to want to beat them so badly that they never want to play you again.

This team lacks that, and I am not sure that you can coach it...
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*Does not want to meet NyBamaFan in a dark alley.*:eek2::eek2::eek2::biggrin::biggrin:
 
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