Does Alabama football have what it takes to compete in this new world of NIL money wars?

BAMA 22 HEISMAN

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Well if 2024 was any indication then you need to be prepared to spend 20 mil on football. I laughed at Ohio St. when it came out they spent that much but they got a trophy to go along with it.

If you want to compete you gotta spend 20 million (doesn't guarantee anything but sure worked out for Ohio St.)

I was hoping they would not win the natty (as it sets a precedent) but seeing as they did all the schools are gonna be following their lead. The sad part is there is still only one national title trophy and every school that spends 20 mil except one will be disappointed.
 

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So while I won't be in a deer stand, I'll more likely than not have a lot more free time in the fall in coming years. I watched less football in 2024 than any year in the previous few decades and my interest isn't increasing.
I'm right there as well. Between the annual ESPN pricing shenanigans and NIL, I've lost more interest than I would have ever thought possible. I'll tune in to a couple games this fall, but the football Saturdays are now a thing of the past at my house.
 
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BAMA 22 HEISMAN

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I'm right there as well. Between the annual ESPN pricing shenanigans and NIL, I've lost more interest than I would have ever thought possible. I'll tune in to a couple games this fall, but the football Saturdays are now a thing of the past at my house.
I have a challenging time watching these days with all the commercials. I would like to watch live broadcasts but its tough.

An example being they call a TV timeout for an injury and go to commercial. Come back for one play the it is 2 minutes left in the QTR, commercial time. Come back and kick a FG, back to commercial. Come back run a few plays end of QTR, back to commercial. LIterally 10 minutes of commercials and 2 minutes of actual gameplay.

Maybe becuase I am getting older, but back in the 90's there didnt seem to be so many commercials. Maybe since I was a kid I ordered pizza on Saturday night and watched football, didn't even notice the commercials.
 

cdub55

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I have a challenging time watching these days with all the commercials. I would like to watch live broadcasts but its tough.

An example being they call a TV timeout for an injury and go to commercial. Come back for one play the it is 2 minutes left in the QTR, commercial time. Come back and kick a FG, back to commercial. Come back run a few plays end of QTR, back to commercial. LIterally 10 minutes of commercials and 2 minutes of actual gameplay.

Maybe becuase I am getting older, but back in the 90's there didnt seem to be so many commercials. Maybe since I was a kid I ordered pizza on Saturday night and watched football, didn't even notice the commercials.
Herbstreit: This should be an exciting game! Kickoff coming up next.

*Commercial*

Fumble on kickoff and team challenges

*Commercial*

First play Touchdown

*Commercial*

Kickoff and player is injured

*Commercial*

First play turnover

*Commercial*

During commercial break Texas fans throw beer bottles on field

*5 Commercials*
 

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Prior to the implementation of NIL I tried to explain some of the issues that I anticipated, but a big part of the issue is the actual economics of college football has been deliberately obscured from the fans. So a lot of people thought that they were just printing money and stuffing it in some Scrooge McDuck money bin.

The end of result of the actual realities is that even a very successful program like Alabama is reliant on external sources for donations to do things like build a new basketball arena (which they currently lack the funds for). I was quick to point out that I felt Alabama was not in ideal financial situation, compared to a program like Texas (massively rich boosters) or even Ohio State (7th ranked GDP compared to Alabama's 27th, also doesn't have to compete with another major in-state program). I also for the record predicted Clemson would struggle more in this new world as well due to similar factors.

This means Alabama is not top tier in the new NIL world. They lack a booster like Phil Knight to bridge the gap, and once you start to look at the programs I outlined years ago, you see the trend. Texas, Ohio State, and Oregon are on the rise, Alabama and Clemson are trending downward a bit. I'm not claiming great prescience mind you, I'd just built up knowledge over the years studying athletic department revenue and that sort of thing.

There's a lot of distance between Alabama and Clemson though! In fact, once you consider Alabama's resources as an athletic department I would argue that they still hold advantages over Oregon as well. The key thing is a few programs are going to be able to outspend Alabama and there's just no way around that. This doesn't mean they can't be elite, but they'll just have to figure out how to make their money go further.
 

cdub55

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Prior to the implementation of NIL I tried to explain some of the issues that I anticipated, but a big part of the issue is the actual economics of college football has been deliberately obscured from the fans. So a lot of people thought that they were just printing money and stuffing it in some Scrooge McDuck money bin.

The end of result of the actual realities is that even a very successful program like Alabama is reliant on external sources for donations to do things like build a new basketball arena (which they currently lack the funds for). I was quick to point out that I felt Alabama was not in ideal financial situation, compared to a program like Texas (massively rich boosters) or even Ohio State (7th ranked GDP compared to Alabama's 27th, also doesn't have to compete with another major in-state program). I also for the record predicted Clemson would struggle more in this new world as well due to similar factors.

This means Alabama is not top tier in the new NIL world. They lack a booster like Phil Knight to bridge the gap, and once you start to look at the programs I outlined years ago, you see the trend. Texas, Ohio State, and Oregon are on the rise, Alabama and Clemson are trending downward a bit. I'm not claiming great prescience mind you, I'd just built up knowledge over the years studying athletic department revenue and that sort of thing.

There's a lot of distance between Alabama and Clemson though! In fact, once you consider Alabama's resources as an athletic department I would argue that they still hold advantages over Oregon as well. The key thing is a few programs are going to be able to outspend Alabama and there's just no way around that. This doesn't mean they can't be elite, but they'll just have to figure out how to make their money go further.
Just looking at things in terms of endowment from public universities, Texas is sitting at the top of the food chain at almost $45,000,000,000. Second to them is Texas A&M at almost twenty billion. Alabama barely cracks the top 30 at just over two billion dollars.
 
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So UM won the NC in 2023 sign stealing and OSU bought theirs in 2024 by cherrypicking everybody else's roster... It appears that being in between these 2 approaches is not winning much...
 
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Just looking at things in terms of endowment from public universities, Texas is sitting at the top of the food chain at almost $45,000,000,000. Second to them is Texas A&M at almost twenty billion. Alabama barely cracks the top 30 at just over two billion dollars.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think football and its dealings are highly budgeted into the endowments of colleges, if at all. Every penny that comes into a public entity has to be budgeted somewhere. My guess is the bulk of those endowments are allocated to research, capital projects, student aid, and other non football/sports-related items.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think football and its dealings are highly budgeted into the endowments of colleges, if at all. Every penny that comes into a public entity has to be budgeted somewhere. My guess is the bulk of those endowments are allocated to research, capital projects, student aid, and other non football/sports-related items.
I agree!

Start using those endowments for NIL and THAT will really rile some folks up!!! :oops:
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think football and its dealings are highly budgeted into the endowments of colleges, if at all. Every penny that comes into a public entity has to be budgeted somewhere. My guess is the bulk of those endowments are allocated to research, capital projects, student aid, and other non football/sports-related items.
I didn't mention that to reference how much money football would get but to simply show the depth of pockets that each institution is pulling from.
 
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Creating a 'competitive advantage' for Alabama athletes: new bill would cut taxes on NIL earnings
State representative Joe Lovvorn of Auburn introduced House Bill 240, the Competitive Edge NIL Tax Cut Act. It would make Alabama athletes' NIL earnings exempt from state taxes.


A new bill could aid the recruiting and roster management efforts of Alabama's Kalen DeBoer and other college coaches in the state.

State representative Joe Lovvorn of Auburn is seeking to create what he says is a "competitive edge" for college athletes in Alabama by making their name, image and likeness earnings exempt from Alabama's individual income tax.

Lovvorn introduced House Bill 240, the Competitive Edge NIL Tax Cut Act, on Tuesday.

Representatives Danny Garrett (R-Trussville) and Chris Blackshear (R-Phenix City) helped write the bill.

The bill, if it is signed into law, would go into effect on October 1. It would apply retroactively to Jan. 1, 2025, and remain in effect through the end of 2027.

A similar bill was introduced in Georgia earlier this month.

The bills would theoretically level the playing field when it comes to colleges in states that don't have individual income tax like Florida and Texas.

Alabama's individual income tax rate is 2% on the first $500 of taxable income, 4% on the next $2,500 of taxable income and 5% on all taxable income over $3,000.

"One common thread shared among Alabamians is their love for collegiate athletics," Lovvorn said of the bill. "Alabama is proudly home to many of the nation's top programs, and celebrating their success is a central part of our state's identity. As NIL continues to change the landscape of college sports, the state must work to foster an environment that helps our schools land America's top recruits. Exempting NIL earnings from state income tax gives Alabama a competitive edge, leading to more students receiving a quality education here and more championships coming home to Alabama."

Last week, SEC commissioner Greg Sankey went on The Paul Finebaum Show and spoke about how NIL laws vary from state to state.

"This can't function on a state-by-state basis, he said. “We just had a group of football leaders, and we talked candidly about that. They deserve to have the same standards across their competition so we can have a College Football Playoff and a Final Four. … if Congress elects not to act, and says we have more important things, then I'll go back to my observation: the universities that are competing with each other — and I use that phrase intentionally, with each other — need to come together to say we are committed to solutions. Not going state-by-state to have different laws to figure out the next one-up."
 
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Creating a 'competitive advantage' for Alabama athletes: new bill would cut taxes on NIL earnings
State representative Joe Lovvorn of Auburn introduced House Bill 240, the Competitive Edge NIL Tax Cut Act. It would make Alabama athletes' NIL earnings exempt from state taxes.


A new bill could aid the recruiting and roster management efforts of Alabama's Kalen DeBoer and other college coaches in the state.

State representative Joe Lovvorn of Auburn is seeking to create what he says is a "competitive edge" for college athletes in Alabama by making their name, image and likeness earnings exempt from Alabama's individual income tax.

Lovvorn introduced House Bill 240, the Competitive Edge NIL Tax Cut Act, on Tuesday.

Representatives Danny Garrett (R-Trussville) and Chris Blackshear (R-Phenix City) helped write the bill.

The bill, if it is signed into law, would go into effect on October 1. It would apply retroactively to Jan. 1, 2025, and remain in effect through the end of 2027.

A similar bill was introduced in Georgia earlier this month.

The bills would theoretically level the playing field when it comes to colleges in states that don't have individual income tax like Florida and Texas.

Alabama's individual income tax rate is 2% on the first $500 of taxable income, 4% on the next $2,500 of taxable income and 5% on all taxable income over $3,000.

"One common thread shared among Alabamians is their love for collegiate athletics," Lovvorn said of the bill. "Alabama is proudly home to many of the nation's top programs, and celebrating their success is a central part of our state's identity. As NIL continues to change the landscape of college sports, the state must work to foster an environment that helps our schools land America's top recruits. Exempting NIL earnings from state income tax gives Alabama a competitive edge, leading to more students receiving a quality education here and more championships coming home to Alabama."

Last week, SEC commissioner Greg Sankey went on The Paul Finebaum Show and spoke about how NIL laws vary from state to state.

"This can't function on a state-by-state basis, he said. “We just had a group of football leaders, and we talked candidly about that. They deserve to have the same standards across their competition so we can have a College Football Playoff and a Final Four. … if Congress elects not to act, and says we have more important things, then I'll go back to my observation: the universities that are competing with each other — and I use that phrase intentionally, with each other — need to come together to say we are committed to solutions. Not going state-by-state to have different laws to figure out the next one-up."
there is no way I can comment on this without pushing it to nonsports.
 

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Herbstreit: This should be an exciting game! Kickoff coming up next.

*Commercial*

Fumble on kickoff and team challenges

*Commercial*

First play Touchdown

*Commercial*

Kickoff and player is injured

*Commercial*

First play turnover

*Commercial*

During commercial break Texas fans throw beer bottles on field

*5 Commercials*
Unfortunattely, when they pay as much as they do for the broadcasting rights we are going to see a lot of commercials. I watch other games during commerical breaks which makes it slightly more bearable.
 
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Herbstreit: This should be an exciting game! Kickoff coming up next.

*Commercial*

Fumble on kickoff and team challenges

*Commercial*

First play Touchdown

*Commercial*

Kickoff and player is injured

*Commercial*

First play turnover

*Commercial*

During commercial break Texas fans throw beer bottles on field

*5 Commercials*
We interrupt this commercial to bring you another commercial
 
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Unfortunattely, when they pay as much as they do for the broadcasting rights we are going to see a lot of commercials. I watch other games during commerical breaks which makes it slightly more bearable.
Yeah, I have YTV and they have figured that out. If you flip to another game you are always going to encounter a commercial there as well... :unsure: :rolleyes:
 
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I think the money aspect is SOMEWHAT overstated, it's difficult to know specifically.

Nobody here should be naive. College football programs have been paying players since Day One, okay?
And it never stopped. NOBODY ran a 100% clean program, and even some coaches who tried don't know if Wide Receiver Superstar was getting $100 handshakes from the local banker through a middleman. Remember when Mississippi State was a big deal back in the late 90s? I was told by a fellow service member (originally from Cuba, so no animus towards the Dawgs; he was a Miami fan) that there were churches in StarkVegas - he had seen this with his own two eyes - where the Bulldog players would attend and would be sent back to the narthex to greet fans, er, I mean devout Christians coming out...many of whom shook their hands and handed them bills that nobody ever knew about. Folks, if MISSISSIPPI STATE has that kind of an operation, you know full well richer schools can do it even more cleverly, so long as they're not dumb enough to launder it through the local McDonald's bag lunches. (This led me to observe that the ballplayers were being paid to be good and attend church while church members not paid were expected to be good for nothing. It's a JOKE, folks!).

It's sorta like not one of you knows with 100% certainty whether your spouse has cheated on you - unless you know that person HAS. You MIGHT know if they have but you DON'T KNOW FOR SURE if they haven't. (Divorce lawyers are standing by).

Well, here's the thing: Texas has had more money since pretty much forever. And how has this played out for them on the football field? Their records from 1987-2022 are indistinguishable from Auburn, right down to the same number of national football championships. Michigan has had money - and even then they had to cheat to be able to get over the hump (and even all that cheating couldn't beat lowly little Texas Cash Unlimited School of Religious Thought and Metaphysics). In CFB like in life, money is important, but it isn't everything.

What will narrow the portal is SIGNED CONTRACTS that demand a player receiving NIL pay back every penny of it in order to leave. This same thing goes on in my job: hospitals will hire a lab tech with what's called a $12,000 signing bonus in exchange for two guaranteed years. But folks who put pen to paper (like myself) can see through this immediately. It is TAXED at 45%, so you only get $6600 spread out over two years. Given the yearly hours of 2080 per 52 weeks TIMES TWO, you wind up over the two years making $1.58 an hour more than you'd get anyway. And of course a lot of hospitals are able to hire NEW GRADS for much less than others and just cut their offer by that same $1.58 per hour.

Now - if the hospitals were dumb enough to hand over $12,000 just for your signature and let you leave......then the hospitals would be run like college football is now!!!
 

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