News Article: I Agree with Hammer...Disrespected, Which I Hope Turns to Anger, Motivation and Resurrection!!!

[rolltide_21]

on3 is driven by clicks. While I don’t necessarily disagree with them, you have to remember this type of stuff is for revenue and sharing on the socials as much as anything. Fwiw, I would have Bama in the 12-15 range. Ive not seen the final AP poll but I would guarantee they’ll have ND and maybe a few others ahead of Bama even though we won a playoff game. I’m expecting about 13-14 with ND in the top 10. Not that any of this matters, btw.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

New OL, lost some WRs, new QB, new DL, and LBs. We should have a good secondary and 1 good pass rusher. And we haven't played like an elite team for 2 years. We got blown out 3 times this year despite returning much of the team.

It makes sense to me people would rank us lower than we're used to.

 

[BamaMoon]

I don’t really understand why anything else would be expected?

We’ve lost 4 games two years in a row.

We trended in the wrong direction to end the year.

We’ve lost our QB1, WRs 1-2, have no real RB1, have major turnover in multiple unit positions and have only made one positive addition to the staff in Nix.

Why in the Hell would people rank us in the Top 5 or something?

We aren’t entitled to some kind of benefit of the doubt based on past reputations.

If we don’t like the prospect of being ranked outside of the Top 15 then maybe the team should just do something about it.

Aren't we saying the same thing???

It just feels like this thread is going to get turned into another "look how bad CKD is" thread.

If we want him and the team to turn it around, why would we NOT want them to use any motivation that is presented to them to do so???

And the OP is really not about "how do we feel about CKD" but how the rest of college football feels ("hopes" is the better word) about our future.

 

[BamaMoon]

While I certainly agree CKD isn’t close to being CNS, personality certainly does play a part in success. And this isn’t just in football. It permeates to success personally and professionally. Does it mean CKD has to be a CNS clone? Absolutely not.

Bryant, Stallings and CNS, all that won championships here were all different personalities, but they had one common trait. They set very high expectations for each and every player. But the “standard”’ was that those expectations they had as a coach should pale In comparison to expectations the players established FOR THEMSELVES.

The problem faced by many coaches now is that very few players these days are interested in being “internally motivated” to be “the best they can be”. The delayed gratification of working toward the big payday in the NFL has been replaced by “give it to me now” of NIL and transferring. Even Kirby Smart hit on it a few weeks back.

Will CKD personality type succeed here, particularly in this conference? So far we have mixed reviews. But one thing I’m pretty sure about. He has to re-establish a “standard” like Saban, Stallings and Bryant did in years past. And that standard is player driven, not coaching driven. It is the standard they accept when they walk in the Mal Moore Athletic Facility.

Agree 100% that it's on the players too. The team is coaches and players! I think we saw a little shift this year in players taking the lead and hope that happens even more next year.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Aren't we saying the same thing???

It just feels like this thread is going to get turned into another "look how bad CKD is" thread.

If we want him and the team to turn it around, why would we NOT want them to use any motivation that is presented to them to do so???

And the OP is really not about "how do we feel about CKD" but how the rest of college football feels ("hopes" is the better word) about our future.

My point is that what people say outside the program is irrelevant.

There is justification for voters to rank us lower than what we have come to expect and it’s not disrespectful to begin with but again irrelevant.

This program needs to stop worrying about outside crap and fix inside things.

If they do what they are supposed to do from a place of in house motivation and practicing and preparing to a higher standard all that outside mess with take care of itself.

The “All disrespect will be handled” crap needs to go.

Being emotionally driven and only emotionally driven is poisonous.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I realize it.

But for some reason the fan base is trying to take on a feeling of disrespect like the team.

Just me I’m a fan of actions being so loud I can’t hear what’s being said.

over the next 7 to 8 months the top 25 will change 100 times and different internet sites will have different rankings.

 

[BamaMoon]

I never said CKD wasn't CNS. How does that even get in the discussion?

I'm not worried about Cignetti either.

Teams take on the personality of their head coach.

Now....CKD doesn't typically have a team that's tough and mean and nobody wants to play. Which is exactly what you said everyone wants....which is true.

I probably jumped to the conclusion that you meant he needs to be more like CNS when you said "CKD needs to change himself." If that's not what you mean, I apologize.

I think everyone is convinced CKD is too nice of a guy and therefore he' soft and easy. Time will tell, but I don't think he's won as many games as he's won by being as soft and easy as some think he is.

I brought up CCC because of his personality type. He's not "fiery" and doesn't come off as "mean" but instead comes off as quirky and nerdy, almost like a mathematician, but the point is his team played with toughness and meaness and they don't play like nerds.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Unless DeBoer changes himself, the team won't be like this. I'd love to see a driven, tough, mean team. None of DeBoer's teams have ever been like that as far as I know.

We used to be able to rely on upper classmen that had been in the program for years to drive a culture like that, to teach the new guys coming in, to be the ones to hold each other accountable.

Those days are gone.

I know the staff is still taking the approach of building the program through HS recruiting. But there's just no denying the benefits of an older team. I'm not saying go full extreme and have an average age of 24 yrs old, but I do think we need to get our roster filled with more "older" players. The Mendoza story, the #13 WR's story, the RB's story and that #80 guy who literally tore up Miami last night (and by the way didn't drop a pass all season) all were "rejects" by the HS recruiting services.

 

[Methylred]

Respect is earned and, frankly, we haven’t done much lately to earn it.

Add to that a new starting QB and only-God-knows-what at OL. So yeah 17th doesn’t seem outrageous to me.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

over the next 7 to 8 months the top 25 will change 100 times and different internet sites will have different rankings.

It’s never been more of a guessing game either.

It’s close to impossible to accurately predict with the insane amount of roster turnover that every team deals with now.

Just this past season the Preseason Top 10-15 was Wildly inaccurate and multiple teams ended up either unranked or barely ranked.

 

[BamaMoon]

You guys do realize this is not the actual preseason top 25? The actual top 25 will not be out until August.

Yes....it's one of the "way too early" type rankings we see every year that is designed to get people talking or riled up OR full of pride.

 

[CB4]

The “All disrespect will be handled” crap needs to go.

Being emotionally driven and only emotionally driven is poisonous.

Does LANK ring a bell? The notion of “we’re being disrespected”. How did that workout? In the end it wasn’t any more than talk and a method to sell t-shirts and merchandise.

Talk is cheap.

The thing I hammered into my kids heads when they were young and even today as young adults. You don’t run your life based on emotions or your “feelings”. Some of the worst decisions I’ve made in my life were based on my emotions and not logic.

Stop talking about being disrespected and get so busy to “earn the respect you desire” that you can’t even hear it.

 

[BamaInBham]

I know the staff is still taking the approach of building the program through HS recruiting. But there's just no denying the benefits of an older team. I'm not saying go full extreme and have an average age of 24 yrs old, but I do think we need to get our roster filled with more "older" players. The Mendoza story, the #13 WR's storyk, the RB's story and that #80 guy who literally tore up Miami last night (and by the way didn't drop a pass all season) all were "rejects" by the HS recruiting services.

I agree with what you’re saying but will just add that this staff does it own evaluations and essentially ignores the recruiting services. Courtney Morgan said this at the beginning. I’m paraphrasing with a declining memory from 2 years ago (so buyers beware), “we will sign many players who are not rated highly by the recruiting services.” I know he did this at Michigan - the Mich team that won the NC with strong DLs and OLs. They had a lowly rated DL, many of whom were drafted by the NFL.

 

[BamaMoon]

This was based on an article by a Bama Homer about using it for motivation. Neither the team nor CKD said these things.

But if it helps them, OK.

When some player from an opposing team lets his mouth run, we usually celebrate his stupidy and use it as a motivational tool. I see this as something similar.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I agree with what you’re saying but will just add that this staff does it own evaluations and essentially ignores the recruiting services. Courtney Morgan said this at the beginning. I’m paraphrasing with a declining memory from 2 years ago (so buyers beware), “we will sign many players who are not rated highly by the recruiting services.” I know he did this at Michigan - the Mich team that won the NC with strong DLs and OLs. They had a lowly rated DL, many of whom were drafted by the NFL.

As they should. If they're not doing their own evals then they're being lazy. But they can still do their own evals and strategically bring in more older players. The odds of us keeping a lot of our HS recruiting classes together for one to two years is slim to none. Too many leave after one/two years and if they aren't supplemented by older transfers then the staff is essentially starting over, only to rinse and repeat. We end up never having a developed roster on the field and we always have a young inexperienced team on the field.

 

[denver]

Seeing so many polls with Notre Dame up in the top 5...as high as #2...it would be nice to get that sort of preferential treatment again! but since last seasons AP preseason had 3 teams in the top 10 that ended up unranked...all these polls should not be taken seriously....( AP final ranking put us behind Notre Dame and Oklahoma, dropped oregon behind Ttech who they shut out etc)

 

[rolltide_21]

I stand corrected both the coaches and AP have Bama at 9 with ND @ 10. Both were reasonable given how everything played out.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

I never said CKD wasn't CNS. How does that even get in the discussion?

I'm not worried about Cignetti either.

Teams take on the personality of their head coach.

Now....CKD doesn't typically have a team that's tough and mean and nobody wants to play. Which is exactly what you said everyone wants....which is true.

I'm one of the guys who has advocated for playing mean and nasty. I want our players to be physically TOUGH.

I WANT OUR COACHES TO BE HARD AND TOUGH TOO.

No more Mr. Nice Guy... Football is a tough sport. I want to see tough guys dominate the opponent.
I don't like being one of the laughing stocks of the SEC. It makes me mad.
I like mean guys, BUT... They better be well coached.
I think our coaches let us down in some of the games this year. That is unacceptable.
Coach DeBoer has some hard decisions on our coaching staff coming up right now.
This next season will be a make or break season for DeBoer.
I'm not sure our fans will tolerate another season of unexplainable losses. That includes me...
I watched Indiana VS Miami and saw some good Defense.
I saw Indiana's great rushing attack.

WHERE'S OURS...

 

[Cruloc]

I'm one of the guys who has advocated for playing mean and nasty. I want our players to be physically TOUGH.

I WANT OUR COACHES TO BE HARD AND TOUGH TOO.

No more Mr. Nice Guy... Football is a tough sport. I want to see tough guys dominate the opponent.
I don't like being one of the laughing stocks of the SEC. It makes me mad.
I like mean guys, BUT... They better be well coached.
I think our coaches let us down in some of the games this year. That is unacceptable.
Coach DeBoer has some hard decisions on our coaching staff coming up right now.
This next season will be a make or break season for DeBoer.
I'm not sure our fans will tolerate another season of unexplainable losses. That includes me...
I watched Indiana VS Miami and saw some good Defense.
I saw Indiana's great rushing attack.

WHERE'S OURS...

Indeed.

Year 1.....I can accept having up and down performances with the amount of turnover we had with coaches and players. And with all the stuff rumored to be going on with the LANK group.

Year 2.....First game of the year they came out unprepared and got mauled. Then they all get "motivated" from the loss and make a record run. Then injuries take over and we get mauled again. Then we start getting mauled again until "motivation" crept back in to save the day. Then we got mauled again and quit in the 2nd half.

Year 3.....can't have anymore excuses, almost all the players are DeBoers' guys now. You get mauled again and its your philosophy and/or system.

 

[TideMan09]

I don’t really understand why anything else would be expected?

We’ve lost 4 games two years in a row.

We trended in the wrong direction to end the year.

We’ve lost our QB1, WRs 1-2, have no real RB1, have major turnover in multiple unit positions and have only made one positive addition to the staff in Nix.

Why in the Hell would people rank us in the Top 5 or something?

We aren’t entitled to some kind of benefit of the doubt based on past reputations.

If we don’t like the prospect of being ranked outside of the Top 15 then maybe the team should just do something about it.

Hopefully we get stronger at the LOS on both sides of the ball in the offseason..

We're not used to being manhandled at the LOS at Bama..