Do stars from high school recruiting really apply after a player has been in college for 3+ years?
Game Thread: Monday, Jan. 19, 2025, No. 1 Indiana vs. No. 10 Miami (Fla.) | 7:30 p.m. ET| College Football Playoff National Championship Game (Miami, Fla.) | ESPN
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The only "talk that they hacked into other teams systems" was from AI generated Facebook posts. Have not seen one sourced anything other than from AI generated Facebook posts, and the people that re-posted that stuff.
This isn't MIT discovering new bio-engineering; it's a football team that was practicing for football games.
No, but I don't care.
I sat and listened to people make those accusations when my team was beating theirs like a drum. I have the exact same evidence anyone who criticized my team had.
My suspicion is that Cignetti invented an undetectable steroid/drug that empowers his team. That's why they don't have any positive drug tests, it's undetectable. He's also bought off all the voters, the committee, and the opponents, too. He paid players, some to play well for him and some to lay down on other teams. Mark Cuban was the bag man.
I hope this sounds ridiculous - it sounded ridiculous when it was aimed at Alabama as well.
I could stomach Indiana 3-peating a whole lot better than I could stomach the barn so much as just being in the SECCG. That program hasn't sniffed a winning season since 2020, and that was just 6-5. I'm STILL enjoying their floundering and it's been going on for years. I don't see Indiana repeating next year, but, I also don't see them going back into being college football's worst either
I think the floundering is about to come to an end. I really think they have finally hired a good coach this time around.
No, because aren't the star rankings out of high school a tool to say when they expect the player to make an impact. 5 star - immediately.......3 star - impact in 3rd year?
But I consider it like this:
When my son played soccer in elementary school, all the teams were coed and everyone was about equal. Once they got to middle school, especially 8th grade, the girls were significantly physically behind....slower, weaker. The boys would just run around most of them.
There's a huge difference between a new recruit fresh out of high school and a guy that's been in a system with the same coaches, the same practices, the same workouts for 3 to 4 years. Mentally and physically they are just beyond the new kids. Stronger, more experienced, mentally tougher.
Unfortunately, yep. Golesh is far and away better than anything then they have had, probably since Dye
Really, the star ratings don’t mean much right now. Coming out of high school, the more stars a kid has, the more money they demand. It has nothing to do with loyalty or how they’ll actually perform once they’re on campus. The more money they make, the less desire they have to get better.
And we can't forget how these kids get their rankings. A lot of it is done in the camps, so kids that aren't able to attend a camp don't get seen.
Then when a big school comes in and offers an unevaluated kid.....oh, we missed one, Bama and Oregon offered him so he must be a 4 star.
Bowden - only good with Dye's players when he wasn't playing for real**
Tuberville - only good when Alabama was on probation
Chizik - one-hit wonder who regressed to normal, owes his ring to a superstar and a paid one at that
Malzahn - the Don Nehlen of Auburn, good every 4-5 years or so
Harsin - I mean, this was Ole Miss hiring Orgeron all over again
Freeze - only won at Ole Miss when he bought a roster, no good otherwise
That's a low bar.
Shug Jordan was a good coach.
Pat Dye - as much as many here don't want to admit it - was a good coach (I know everyone wants to go with "but Auburn paid players", but go look at his pre-Auburn record, where he was quite successful at E Carolina and gave Wyoming their first winning season in 4 years his only year there).
** - I know someone is no doubt going to say, "But Terry Bowden won the West in 1997!" Yes, he did. but not only was the SEC West mediocre in 1997 (only LSU and Auburn had winning SEC records), so was Auburn. They beat a 4-7 Arkansas team in a game where Auburn only had 11 first downs and got outgained, truly incredible given the Hawgs had 36 rushes for TEN yards. That's not a typo - TEN YARDS. One of Auburn's TDs was a 13-yard fumble recovery for TD - and they won by only five points, 26-21.
And then remember how Auburn won the 1997 Iron Bowl against a 4-6 overmatched Alabama team.
And then remember they not only lost to Mississippi State (7-4), they were SHUT OUT AT HOME by Mississippi State.
So yes, they won the division title in 1997, but they weren't any good anyway.
Just like no one cares where you were drafted in the NFL outside of “bust” or feel good stories after years in the league.
Like it mattered or anyone cared that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick when he was dominating the league.
Once a player has been playing in college for several years all that matters is performance, not stars or ratings.
Also, a lot of kids get their ratings from internet videos. Think about it. Do you really think these guys that run these ranking services go to all these camps to see the kids? Nope! The kids who put videos on their recruiting profile are the one who get the most attention. It works the same way in baseball. My son has three offers from colleges who have never seen him play in person. They've just watched his vidoes on his recruiting profile. They simply do not have the time or resources to travel all over the country to evaluate these kids in person. The same thing applies in football.
^^So true, and Cignetti has said pretty much the same thing.^^
Cignetti says he has never looked at star ratings one bit; he evaluates talent. The difference between his accomplishments and the accomplishments for a blue blood have been that he had to evaluate and recruit talent with limitations; namely that a large portion of his highest evaluations would not have considered IU. That goes for both high school and portal evaluations and that is why IU had a team largely of high school 2 and 3 stars, and portal gets from Cal, JMU, Texas State, Kent State, etc.
Now that he has won at a unmaginably unexpected level, his talent evaluations of 4 and 5 stars, and of top tier portal kids will also be recruiting possibilities, instead of their former status as pipe dreams.
Actually no
. I was just using that as an example of how I could stomach literally anything over the barn having the tiniest iota of success. And if I could stomach an Indiana 3-peat over something....that speaks volumes Idk this until yesterday, but Indiana has the largest number of living alumni of any US school, so they don’t just have deep pockets like Cuban, they also have the most pockets.
What accounts for this? Do they live longer? There are larger universities than Indiana.
I think they have the largest living alumni for a public university. But either way, it's huge! LOL! They won't be hurting for money for a long, long time.
They include all of the satellite campuses; the Cal system, for instance, does not. It's a big alumni base, but one of many.
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