Epstein Files -- Be Careful What You Demand

As another poster in this thread said “I find it hard to believe that even though Woody Allen was in the Epstein files he would cheat on his daughter like that.”


That was me.

Let me qualify something on Bill Clinton that I've shared here previously.

SHORT VERSION/CONCLUSION:
The only reason - the only one - that I can believe easily that Clinton might have seen someone under 18 is because I'm convinced (and so was Gerald Ford) that Clinton is a literal sex ADDICT. Not just a guy with high T, a full-on addict. And ADDICTS don't stop where the line should stop them. It's no different than Pete Rose betting on baseball when he knew it was wrong. He was a gambling addict, but he couldn't stop himself.


I'm not saying Clinton did, I haven't seen evidence of that - yet.
I'm saying it would not surprise me one bit.


SELMA VERSION/DETAILS
Years ago, I dated a young lass for a month or so who in her previous marriage had been married to a Secret Service agent, so she had lived in DC. The time frame covered the last two years of Clinton through the first two years of Obama, and in his final years, her husband had the (unwanted) task of guarding Joe Biden. She knew NOTHING of my political bent at the time, SHE was the one who brought up the previous marriage and shared her opinions on everyone from Hillary (whom she hated) through Michelle Obama (whom she loved) and Jill Biden (same). But she brought up something else that made my jaw drop.

She claimed that Bill Clinton had a fetish for "young black girls." Now let me clear: she DID NOT say explicitly that he saw anyone under age. But she explained how they'd take the White House limo out into some DC suburbs in Maryland - especially when Hillary was out of town - and "get some girls." And just so long as nothing went wrong, they could doctor up the log books to say he went somewhere else. That's when a long ago memory hit me.

In a little-known story early on in the 1992 race (fall 1991), the Clintons knew they were going to have to go on the offense against allegations he got around. One guy who did not want anything to do with the Clinton campaign was William Daley, the son of the original Richard Daley, and head of a Chicago bank (Clinton would later appoint him to head up Fannie Mae - yep). Daley did not want to sign on to a candidate that might get deep sixed by adultery, so Hillary (from Chicago if you recall) offered to talk to Daley about it. Daley was "too proper an Irishman" to talk to a man's wife about this, but there was a meeting of the Clinton braintrust in (I believe) Little Rock and they went through a list of names (this was reported in Jack Germond-Jules Witcover's book about the 1992 election, "Mad As Hell"). One really hot rumor inside the campaign was that Clinton had fathered an out-of-wedlock child with a black news anchor in the Midwest. In response to this, Clinton raged and said, "Listen, I don't have a black baby!"


Of course he doesn't.

A baby fathered by Bill Clinton with a black woman would only be HALF black. And before anyone thinks I'm being obtuse or it's because I can't stand the man, Clinton answered questions like this repeatedly, most notably on two occasions:

1) Have you ever tried marijuana?
a) I have never broken the laws of my country (true - because he was in Oxford at the time)

2) Did you have an affair with Monica?
a) I did not have sexual relations with that woman (true from his vantage point as Clinton was on the record saying that oral sex did not constitute a sexual relationship per the 1993 article on Clinton in "The American Spectator"

Those are just the best-known ones, Clinton half answered questions by technical means quite a bit if he didn't like where the query might go. This is why I've told people to tell your kids and grandkids, "Just wait until years after Clinton dies - we're gonna find out that he had an illegitimate kid AND that the press KNEW ABOUT IT ATTHE TIME!"
 
That was me.

Let me qualify something on Bill Clinton that I've shared here previously.

SHORT VERSION/CONCLUSION:
The only reason - the only one - that I can believe easily that Clinton might have seen someone under 18 is because I'm convinced (and so was Gerald Ford) that Clinton is a literal sex ADDICT. Not just a guy with high T, a full-on addict. And ADDICTS don't stop where the line should stop them. It's no different than Pete Rose betting on baseball when he knew it was wrong. He was a gambling addict, but he couldn't stop himself.


I'm not saying Clinton did, I haven't seen evidence of that - yet.
I'm saying it would not surprise me one bit.


SELMA VERSION/DETAILS
Years ago, I dated a young lass for a month or so who in her previous marriage had been married to a Secret Service agent, so she had lived in DC. The time frame covered the last two years of Clinton through the first two years of Obama, and in his final years, her husband had the (unwanted) task of guarding Joe Biden. She knew NOTHING of my political bent at the time, SHE was the one who brought up the previous marriage and shared her opinions on everyone from Hillary (whom she hated) through Michelle Obama (whom she loved) and Jill Biden (same). But she brought up something else that made my jaw drop.

She claimed that Bill Clinton had a fetish for "young black girls." Now let me clear: she DID NOT say explicitly that he saw anyone under age. But she explained how they'd take the White House limo out into some DC suburbs in Maryland - especially when Hillary was out of town - and "get some girls." And just so long as nothing went wrong, they could doctor up the log books to say he went somewhere else. That's when a long ago memory hit me.

In a little-known story early on in the 1992 race (fall 1991), the Clintons knew they were going to have to go on the offense against allegations he got around. One guy who did not want anything to do with the Clinton campaign was William Daley, the son of the original Richard Daley, and head of a Chicago bank (Clinton would later appoint him to head up Fannie Mae - yep). Daley did not want to sign on to a candidate that might get deep sixed by adultery, so Hillary (from Chicago if you recall) offered to talk to Daley about it. Daley was "too proper an Irishman" to talk to a man's wife about this, but there was a meeting of the Clinton braintrust in (I believe) Little Rock and they went through a list of names (this was reported in Jack Germond-Jules Witcover's book about the 1992 election, "Mad As Hell"). One really hot rumor inside the campaign was that Clinton had fathered an out-of-wedlock child with a black news anchor in the Midwest. In response to this, Clinton raged and said, "Listen, I don't have a black baby!"


Of course he doesn't.

A baby fathered by Bill Clinton with a black woman would only be HALF black. And before anyone thinks I'm being obtuse or it's because I can't stand the man, Clinton answered questions like this repeatedly, most notably on two occasions:

1) Have you ever tried marijuana?
a) I have never broken the laws of my country (true - because he was in Oxford at the time)

2) Did you have an affair with Monica?
a) I did not have sexual relations with that woman (true from his vantage point as Clinton was on the record saying that oral sex did not constitute a sexual relationship per the 1993 article on Clinton in "The American Spectator"

Those are just the best-known ones, Clinton half answered questions by technical means quite a bit if he didn't like where the query might go. This is why I've told people to tell your kids and grandkids, "Just wait until years after Clinton dies - we're gonna find out that he had an illegitimate kid AND that the press KNEW ABOUT IT ATTHE TIME!"
Clinton and Trump were 💯 birds of a feather with sexual indiscretions and addictions. And the mutual friend that was in a position to feed their addictions?

Jeffrey Honeypot Epstein.
 
That was me.

Let me qualify something on Bill Clinton that I've shared here previously.

SHORT VERSION/CONCLUSION:
The only reason - the only one - that I can believe easily that Clinton might have seen someone under 18 is because I'm convinced (and so was Gerald Ford) that Clinton is a literal sex ADDICT. Not just a guy with high T, a full-on addict. And ADDICTS don't stop where the line should stop them. It's no different than Pete Rose betting on baseball when he knew it was wrong. He was a gambling addict, but he couldn't stop himself.


I'm not saying Clinton did, I haven't seen evidence of that - yet.
I'm saying it would not surprise me one bit.


SELMA VERSION/DETAILS
Years ago, I dated a young lass for a month or so who in her previous marriage had been married to a Secret Service agent, so she had lived in DC. The time frame covered the last two years of Clinton through the first two years of Obama, and in his final years, her husband had the (unwanted) task of guarding Joe Biden. She knew NOTHING of my political bent at the time, SHE was the one who brought up the previous marriage and shared her opinions on everyone from Hillary (whom she hated) through Michelle Obama (whom she loved) and Jill Biden (same). But she brought up something else that made my jaw drop.

She claimed that Bill Clinton had a fetish for "young black girls." Now let me clear: she DID NOT say explicitly that he saw anyone under age. But she explained how they'd take the White House limo out into some DC suburbs in Maryland - especially when Hillary was out of town - and "get some girls." And just so long as nothing went wrong, they could doctor up the log books to say he went somewhere else. That's when a long ago memory hit me.

In a little-known story early on in the 1992 race (fall 1991), the Clintons knew they were going to have to go on the offense against allegations he got around. One guy who did not want anything to do with the Clinton campaign was William Daley, the son of the original Richard Daley, and head of a Chicago bank (Clinton would later appoint him to head up Fannie Mae - yep). Daley did not want to sign on to a candidate that might get deep sixed by adultery, so Hillary (from Chicago if you recall) offered to talk to Daley about it. Daley was "too proper an Irishman" to talk to a man's wife about this, but there was a meeting of the Clinton braintrust in (I believe) Little Rock and they went through a list of names (this was reported in Jack Germond-Jules Witcover's book about the 1992 election, "Mad As Hell"). One really hot rumor inside the campaign was that Clinton had fathered an out-of-wedlock child with a black news anchor in the Midwest. In response to this, Clinton raged and said, "Listen, I don't have a black baby!"


Of course he doesn't.

A baby fathered by Bill Clinton with a black woman would only be HALF black. And before anyone thinks I'm being obtuse or it's because I can't stand the man, Clinton answered questions like this repeatedly, most notably on two occasions:

1) Have you ever tried marijuana?
a) I have never broken the laws of my country (true - because he was in Oxford at the time)

2) Did you have an affair with Monica?
a) I did not have sexual relations with that woman (true from his vantage point as Clinton was on the record saying that oral sex did not constitute a sexual relationship per the 1993 article on Clinton in "The American Spectator"

Those are just the best-known ones, Clinton half answered questions by technical means quite a bit if he didn't like where the query might go. This is why I've told people to tell your kids and grandkids, "Just wait until years after Clinton dies - we're gonna find out that he had an illegitimate kid AND that the press KNEW ABOUT IT ATTHE TIME!"
It would be nice if you could do this AI-generated summary at the top of all your posts so we all don't have to trudge through the exhausting detail. ;)
 
fwiw


If he’s truly changed his mind then that’s good I suppose since a lot of people refuse to drop their party alliance and see the truth.

Qanon/MAGA nuts have been quiet which is really crazy since some of them were partly right.

They refuse to see Trump as a willing villain is this and bend over backwards trying to paint him as some white hat hero draining the swamp from the inside.

The truth is Qanon/MAGA nuts are the ones who got psyop’d into putting Trump in the WH to cover all this up from the inside.

They were fed over the top fictions of the Sex Trafficking rings being ran by Satanic Democrats (primarily) with stuff like Baby sacrifice Adrenochrome extraction rituals etc etc and Trump and the Rep party were going to save the world from it.

When the whole time the real villains from Epstein to Trump to Billionaire Socialites to Celebrities to Sultans to Politicians on both sides co-opted the tale to actually seize power and cover up their (based in reality) actual sexual misdeeds.

There is so much corruption and coordination going on so they can cover each others 6’s.

Trump has lied multiple times about when he broke off his ties to Epstein and there are numerous email chains dating them meeting after the point in time Trump claims they stopped associating.

Trump has people on his staff that have ties to Epstein including members who now own former properties of Epstein.

I mean what a coincidence right?

They never thought these files would actually see the light of day and they’ve almost completely got away with it until this latest file dump.

There is still way too much burying of the truth however.

Everything should be completely un redacted to the public.

Right now it’s still just millions of documents where the perpetrators names are redacted.

The only thing that should actually be redacted are the victims names and faces.

It’s completely backwards.

We still don’t even have close to everything and it’s rumored there are still TB’s of media in pictures and videos that have not been released.

There are a lot a really smart civilians all over this thing though and one way or another the truth is going to come out and nobody is going to be able to hand wave it away anymore.

Not Joe Rogan… not anybody.
 
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it looks like some of the billionaire douche bags are starting to turn on each other

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Rep. Thomas Massie: "Donald Trump told us that even though he had dinner with these kinds of people in New York City and West Palm Beach that he would be transparent. But he's not. He's still in with the Epstein class. This is the Epstein administration."




The criminal president is the leader of the Epstein Administration.
 
The list 92 posted is damning. And it's fleck of dust on a snowflake on the tip of an iceberg. There are zillions more.

Why is the press not on this like stink on a cesspool?

I think I know the answer to my own question: Fox isn't on it because there are lots of Republican names. The rest of the talking heads aren't on it because there are lots of Democrats or Hollywood types (read: major Democratic donors).

Late Add: Political agendas aside, another reason the talking heads and what's left of the ink-stained wretches aren't covering the story just occurred to me. Think there might be lots of names from the C-Suites of Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, MSN, NYT, LAT, WSJ and others? I'd bet a bunch of money there are.

And to selma's earlier point, you think those guys just might have covered their own hindquarters by passing a sample or two on to their programmers, editors and big-name writers or presenters?
 
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The list 92 posted is damning. And it's fleck of dust on a snowflake on the tip of an iceberg. There are zillions more.

Why is the press not on this like stink on a cesspool?

I think I know the answer to my own question: Fox isn't on it because there are lots of Republican names. The rest of the talking heads aren't on it because there are lots of Democrats or Hollywood types (read: major Democratic donors).

Late Add: Political agendas aside, another reason the talking heads and what's left of the ink-stained wretches aren't covering the story just occurred to me. Think there might be lots of names from the C-Suites of Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, MSN, NYT, LAT, WSJ and others? I'd bet a bunch of money there are.

I almost daily have moments of hope that transition to despair following this stuff.

The Mainstream Media/Press is doing an abysmal job properly covering what’s going on and what information is being discovered by civilians is then quickly covered up by the DOJ and the FBI.

Yesterday day evening Bondi announced they were done releasing files after releasing 3.5 Million of 6 Million files.

Both of those numbers are lies.

The files were released sequentially and there are I believe no file numbers past the 2.75M mark.

In addition to that files keep rapidly getting removed from the official release after civilians find something with legs.

They have all been backed up in civilian hosted databases but they are no longer available on the DOJ search page.

There is supposedly 10 Million+ files in total and TB’s worth of media that has been unreleased.

The 2.75M worth of released material has every single perpetrators name redacted when it’s dialogue between them and Epstein.

This weekend one civilian got his teeth into a new method of recovering data.

I don’t know the technical jargon but the videos I saw he was injecting color code into the black bars and somehow using that to colorize the typed font and extracting names.

Guy got threats within a day and pulled the project down.

He did share the code and other devs have made forks off it and are developing it further.

Hopefully they are non US based.

But the general populace is not angry enough for the truth right now and imo it’s because enough people don’t know and understand how bad this is and how deep it runs because it’s not being reported.

You have to go looking for the information and yea it’s unpleasant to do it. It wrecks havoc on your mental health reading these files and finding pictures.

Bondi and Patel both need to be in handcuffs right now for obstruction of Justice.

They aren’t the only ones but they are the main 2 figureheads preventing Justice.

Civilians need to be marching on Washington over this instead of just mind numbingly going about every day life like our entire Gov and Branches of elected officials aren’t absolutely Evil and Vile entities.

Work isn’t important. School isn’t important. Going to church and talking about where the group is going bowling this week isn’t important.

Taking down a Sex Trafficking Pedophile Ring that has a strangle hold on our country is the #1 priority for America.

When did we become such docile and compliant Cattle?

*Disclaimer* I’m venting a lot of course because it’s highly upsetting going through these files

EDIT:

Meant to tie all that back to your final point and I 100% agree with you on that.

The MSM is absolutely purposely failing to properly inform the general US populace on what’s going on.

Republican slanted, Democrat slanted… all of them.

It’s precisely because the Elite at the Top of those organizations have ties to the people implicated and/or they themselves are players involved and/or they have been leveraged into silence from something else they’ve done that’s illegal.

There is unbelievable amounts of corruption going on and ties are everywhere to Epstein.
 
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Clinton and Trump were 💯 birds of a feather with sexual indiscretions and addictions. And the mutual friend that was in a position to feed their addictions?

Jeffrey Honeypot Epstein.

Well......maybe.

I'm not aware of Clinton ever talking about how hot his daughter was. Now whether that's because Chelsea was not really all that attractive or because he wasn't the same level of slimeball Trump is, who knows?

I had a sister-in-law nearly 30 years ago whose body outgrew her mind quickly in her teens, and she was getting hit on by everybody.

Hitting on her never once even crossed my mind.
 
Doesn't it just make you want to cry when billionaires argue with each other.

I'd kinda cry if Sam Walton and Walt Disney got into it.....

Btw - have you ever noticed practically every billionaire in existence is - to put it charitably - eccentric? Except for MAYBE someone like Warren Buffett, they're all quirky and think things that no rational person would ever consider normal. But because they've hit the lottery in life, they think it's because of their smarts and they revert to, "Well, people told me this idea wouldn't work and I'm rich and they ain't."

But note at the same time how few of them are successful at MORE THAN ONE THING.
Very few.
 
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Both sides are scum, no doubt about it. I still can not tell the difference between the two parties.

While there is some truth to this, the fact is that it was Donald Trump and his truckling sycophants in the GOP who basically stood for three years holding the grenade and telling everyone that if you would elect him, he would pull the pin and blow up all the guilty people.

As I said a few posts back, I'd never even heard of a so-called Epstein List until a bunch of Trump bootlickers at work in 2022 were talking about it and licking their chops at the Clintons going to jail. Every single person I ever heard mention this at multiple workplaces were people I KNOW voted for Trump, at least in 2020 and 2024 (and probably 2016). Trump COULD have just said nothing about it and gone on with his life, but he wants you to think, er, know that he knows more than you about everything, and he has this little secret.

"If Trump was in them, Biden would have released them" has become the latest circular argument declared as a statement of faith.

Did it ever dawn on a single Trumper who says that that Biden might have looked at things other than how they affect Donald Trump? I know this is an unusual characteristic from cult members but jeez.
 
I'd kinda cry if Sam Walton and Walt Disney got into it.....

Btw - have you ever noticed practically every billionaire in existence is - to put it charitably - eccentric? Except for MAYBE someone like Warren Buffett, they're all quirky and think things that no rational person would ever consider normal. But because they've hit the lottery in life, they think it's because of their smarts and they revert to, "Well, people told me this idea wouldn't work and I'm rich and they ain't."

But note at the same time how few of them are successful at MORE THAN ONE THING.
Very few.
Hit the lottery in life? If you are talking about the billionaire families like the Waltons, Cox's, etc.. who just inherited their fortune then yes, they hit the lottery. The original person who started the empire usually succeeded because they were smart, visionary, unbelievably persistent and didn't take no for an answer. These people generally had absolutely no life for the formative parts of their careers. These people ate, lived and slept their businesses for years. Most people don't have this drive. Did some of them get lucky and that's why they survived and others didn't then yes, they did get lucky but it was no picnic and certainly not a lottery win. I admire what most of them were able to do as I know personally I don't have anywhere near that kind of drive. That being said I do wish they were taxed fairly, like stopping the borrowing until death scheme, but overall what they have been able to do has been a good thing.
 
Why don't the Dems or Repubs release the info to hurt the other? Because everyday at 5pm after their workday of bamboozling the american people, they all go down the local bar and have drinks together. Yes, at the end of the day, once the cameras are off, neither side cares. Both sides have a lot to lose. Both sides have friends (big money donors) with a lot to lose. And why Biden himself may not be on it, others in his party are...same for the republicans (although Trump is on it I believe). Politicians, entertainers, corporate leaders, etc, anyone with money who wanted to be on that list, is on it. Job one right now is to protect yourself, and they do that by protecting everyone.
 
Why don't the Dems or Repubs release the info to hurt the other? Because everyday at 5pm after their workday of bamboozling the american people, they all go down the local bar and have drinks together. Yes, at the end of the day, once the cameras are off, neither side cares. Both sides have a lot to lose. Both sides have friends (big money donors) with a lot to lose. And why Biden himself may not be on it, others in his party are...same for the republicans (although Trump is on it I believe). Politicians, entertainers, corporate leaders, etc, anyone with money who wanted to be on that list, is on it. Job one right now is to protect yourself, and they do that by protecting everyone.
lots of democrats and at least a few republicans have been consistently saying release all of the info for quite a while. the administration continues to stonewall
 
Hit the lottery in life? If you are talking about the billionaire families like the Waltons, Cox's, etc.. who just inherited their fortune then yes, they hit the lottery. The original person who started the empire usually succeeded because they were smart, visionary, unbelievably persistent and didn't take no for an answer. These people generally had absolutely no life for the formative parts of their careers. These people ate, lived and slept their businesses for years. Most people don't have this drive. Did some of them get lucky and that's why they survived and others didn't then yes, they did get lucky but it was no picnic and certainly not a lottery win. I admire what most of them were able to do as I know personally I don't have anywhere near that kind of drive. That being said I do wish they were taxed fairly, like stopping the borrowing until death scheme, but overall what they have been able to do has been a good thing.

I'm not disputing that (often times) folks see something the rest of us miss.

In context, I'm referring to the fact that their (in most cases) "one good idea" doesn't usually translate elsewhere. But they revert back to "those other people told me it wouldn't work" and it doesn't work because it's a different skill set.

Vince McMahon has been good at ONE THING: pro wrestling. He went bankrupt over the Evil Knievel Snake River jump, crashed twice trying an alternate football league, lost his shirt in bodybuilding and fell flat on his face marketing steaks.

Also - and not to pick a fight - I don't even know what "taxed fairly" actually means since nobody ever defines it. I have zero problem with taxing rich folks more - but the liberal idea of "we can balance the budget by cutting defense spending and raising taxes on the rich" is as much a lie as trickle down is. Which means spending cuts - good luck on that one.
 
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