I'm not following this as closely as many here are but it appears there are only a handful of elected people in our FedGov that want this all exposed. That should be shocking, but it's really not, it's just sad.
Epstein Files -- Be Careful What You Demand
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This is why Jesse Ventura said back when he was governor that politics had RISEN to the level of kayfabe.
When he was working to re-elect Clinton, Dick Morris was in communication with Trent Lott, soon to be the Senate Majority Leader from Mississippi. Morris had worked on Lott's 1988 Senate campaign and they were longtime friends. Knowing politics is what it is, Morris told Lot, "If you have to call me a son of a (deleted) to the press, I understand." Lott told him, "I already do that, I need to think of something stronger."
And they both laughed about it.
Rick Wilson, Lincoln Project founder and longtime GOP consultant, has said he is good friends with Democratic consultants that he has sat and watched their candidates try and kill each other on stage in a debate while they sat back there smiling and laughing and joking. And gone to dinner afterwards.
I don't understand the admonition "Be Careful What You Demand" unless it is for QANON?
The non-crazies/cultists (i.e., regular people) just want to see all the criminals brought to justice.
Thing is, if I wanted to do so I couldn't follow it.
It keeps thrashing about day by day with new revelations and a new name.
But from what I'm reading they've "only" released a little over 1/2 of the files - and Bondi needs to be arrested for obstruction of justice if she isn't going to do the job.
When the sheer volume of the DOJ's trove of documents first became apparent, the demands for release had a definite political slant. Democrats were primarily wanting to target Trump -- I don't think even they thought it would extend as far as it has. Republicans wanted to target Democratic donors and Hollywood (lots of overlap there).
My point was that Epstein's influence extended to both parties, plus the entertainment industry, plus Wall Street. I didn't expect that academia would be involved, but it turns out that Epstein's influence infiltrated that arena as well.
So the original thought was to be careful if you demand the release of all documents for political reasons....you're likely to damage your own side at least as much as the opposition.
Since then, it's become clear that Epstein's "client" list extended well beyond what most people (including me) anticipated. With that realization, the cry has morphed into one less politically-motivated and more for full truth.
Even when that comes, there will be (or should be, anyway) questions around why the DOJ sat on the information for so long. They knew about this, and had hard evidence, through multiple administrations. What took them decades to address it?
I think it was because, whether the administration was red or blue, there was plenty of damning documentation on its own side. A once any release happened it would be impossible to confine the damage to one party or the other.
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"Damage 'your own side'". Again, I don't get it. We're Americans. We may have differences but are they so great that if we don't get our way we want to burn it all down and install a dictator to "Get Our Way"?
Have we become so brainwashed that this is where we are?
To answer your questions, at the extremes, yes. Qanaon, MAGA, whatever on one side. Self-described Democratic Socialists on the other.
I agree with you that there should be points on which we all agree. And regarding the Epstein stuff, it is turning that way.
But the initial calls for release had a definite political slant, and that was the prevailing thought process when I wrote the OP.
Unfortunately, yes. I’ve been saying it for years now and it just keeps getting worse. I’ve also said more than once that the real problem is that we Americans have had it so good for so long, we are literally manufacturing problems so we’ll have something to complain about. And, of course, it really found its niche in politics.
It has been pretty refreshing to see people on both sides demanding justice regarding the Epstein files. It’s not as effective as a country that’s literally starving to death, but I’ll take it.
maga is not a “radical”/“extreme” part of the gop. it is the mainstream gop
Not so much brainwashed as pragmatic.
"Yes, I know that Supreme Court justice was caught having a long-running fetish with multiple 14-year old girls, but if I vote to remove that person from the bench, someone whose politics I don't like is going to replace that person and is going to rule cases the opposite outcomes I want. Therefore, the end justifies the means and so there's no way I'm going to vote to remove someone who did something no matter how repugnant."
Notice that pretty much all of the bold moves and "courage" we're told about in DC involves someone in the same party replacing the person being tossed overboard.
Do you REALLY for one second think that if Tim Pawlenty had been the governor of Minnesota in 2017 that Al Franken would have resigned? Not a chance in Hell that would have happened. My goodness, there were Democrats (voters) all over message boards insisting that if Alabama elected Roy Moore then Franken needed to rescind his resignation, what he did was suddenly gonna be "OK".
But Franken never would have even been called on to resign in the first place if there hadn't been a Democrat picking his replacement.
If you needed any further confirmation, the failure on a single prominent Democrat to demand Jay Jones bow out of the AG race in Virginia is all the evidence you need. After years of "Republicans should renounce this candidate for X/YZ" - and let me add that in 99% of the cases the Dems were RIGHT when they said that - all of a sudden it became, "Well, he shouldn't have said he wanted to kill a political opponent in front of his children but I'm confident blah blah blah."
And before anyone says it, it isn't just Democrats.
Does anyone REALLY think the GOP would have considered firing Nixon if the replacement would have been a Democrat? We all know better.
Ask yourself these questions:
Why didn't the Democrats tell the truth about Fetterman's stroke?
Why didn't the Republicans demand Trump abandon the nomination after the Access Hollywood tape was made public?
Why didn't Democrats tell the truth about Biden's frailties until they had no choice?
Why didn't the Republicans endorse Edwin Edwards over David Duke, although they DID deny him money and do everything BUT endorse Edwards?
Why did Democrats all but give Jay Jones a free pass in Virginia?
Why do the Republicans let obvious conflicts of interest on SCOTUS by Clarence and Alito pass?
The answer is the same: there is NO REWARD for honesty in politics, no matter what the voters say. And when it's a choice of "an unqualified wretch in my party" or "a decent person in the other party" having power, they will 100% of the time choose having the wretch over the decent person. (In four years, John Kerry went from "I'd like John McCain as my running mate" to "McCain lacks the judgment to be President" simply because now it was a case of his party winning, so he felt free to lie. Kerry liked McCain the maverick in 2004 and just four years later somersaulted like he had another chance to vote on the $787B for Iraq and went with, "the myth of the maverick." John Kerry's party holding the White House meant John Kerry got to move onto the world stage (eventually) as Secretary of State. John McCain getting elected meant John Kerry's Senate career was in a blob of nothingness and a 4-8 year wait for the chance to go down in history).
SITREP: The Epstein Affair (Current Status)
What is being released right now is not transparency.
It is controlled disclosure.
Fragments.
Selective timing.
Curated narratives.
Carefully engineered confusion.
Enough to distract.
However, behind the scenes, coordinated efforts are underway to sanitize relationships and rewrite history. Long-standing connections are being rebranded as “professional.” Years of documented overlap are being dismissed as a coincidence.” Excuses are being manufactured in real time.
They want you debating intent instead of examining evidence.
They want emotion instead of investigation.
They want fatigue instead of focus.
Let’s be clear: proximity is not accidental. Repetition is not random. And patterns do not form without purpose. This is reputation management.
This is NOT accountability.
This is damage control.
We’ve seen this playbook before:
Delay.
Deflect.
Reframe.
Discredit.
Meanwhile, victims wait.
The truth is being handled like a political asset instead of a moral obligation.
This story is not over.
It is entering its most important phase.
No child should ever be abused for any reason.
What is being released right now is not transparency.
It is controlled disclosure.
Fragments.
Selective timing.
Curated narratives.
Carefully engineered confusion.
Enough to distract.
However, behind the scenes, coordinated efforts are underway to sanitize relationships and rewrite history. Long-standing connections are being rebranded as “professional.” Years of documented overlap are being dismissed as a coincidence.” Excuses are being manufactured in real time.
They want you debating intent instead of examining evidence.
They want emotion instead of investigation.
They want fatigue instead of focus.
Let’s be clear: proximity is not accidental. Repetition is not random. And patterns do not form without purpose. This is reputation management.
This is NOT accountability.
This is damage control.
We’ve seen this playbook before:
Delay.
Deflect.
Reframe.
Discredit.
Meanwhile, victims wait.
The truth is being handled like a political asset instead of a moral obligation.
This story is not over.
It is entering its most important phase.
No child should ever be abused for any reason.
While they weren't 'honest' in any of those instances, honesty is not a natural nor expected attribute for political actors.
No partisan political entity is expected to slam their own.
Instead, it is the job of the opposition political party, the independent media, and government oversight agencies, both criminal and administrative, to illuminate bad behavior or flaws in political actors.
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This nut job is intimately familiar with reframing an operation. This crook needed a pardon to stay out of prison.
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Michael Flynn is precisely why birth control should have been available in the public schools for free in 1958.
I ain't changing my tune. If she did something illegal, then bury her along with all the other criminals in these files.
Yeah, but here's the thing:
It is so hilarious to watch the right funded news organizations run interference for Clown Boy.
For all I know MY name might be in the Epstein Files, but I haven't done anything illegal. "His name is in the files" all by itself doesn't mean jack squat. It's like the folks who try to deflect on the JFK assassination "oh, his name is in the Warren Report" as if that stated mantra by itself means anything.
And I'm fine with it, if Whoopi had to pay for sex with an underage boy or girl or animal, put her under the jail.
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