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I think it will be another week or two before the SoH is safe for passage enough for tankers to go through.

The reason we're not doing it right now is there's too much risk vs reward.

The oil supply drives a lot in this world but isn't worth taking certain risks when it's not necessary.

I trust that things will be resolved in due time.

As far as what you are hearing from the press, Pentagon, WH, cabinet, staff, etc, etc.....remember the enemy is also listening - I'm not sure that some of this isn't part of the plan......
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
I was livid, enraged with Biden's keystone cops pullout of Afghanistan, not that he ended our time there (defensible), but he did it in the most sophomoric way possible.
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I wonder if we hadn't abandoned our air base at Bagram if we could have moved this attack up a few weeks earlier and saved the lives of all those young people and students in Iran who were protesting...and later murdered by the regime.

,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_Airfield

Bagram Air Base was formerly the largest U.S. military base in Afghanistan staffed by the 455th Air Expeditionary Wing of the U.S. Air Force, along with rotating units of the U.S. and coalition forces. It was expanded and modernized by the Americans. There is also a hospital with 50 beds, three operating theatres and a modern dental clinic. Kabul International Airport is located approximately 40 km (25 mi) south of Bagram, connected by two separate roads.

On 15 August 2021, the entire base fell to Taliban rebel forces after the NATO-trained Afghan National Army had surrendered.

As part of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, after nearly 20 years of continuous U.S. presence at the site, the Bagram Air Base was secretly evacuated by the U.S. during the night on 1 July 2021 and de facto handed back to the Afghan government on 2 July 2021.

The last remaining U.S. troops left the base by shutting off the electricity and slipping away in the night without notifying the Afghan Armed Forces.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org

The base was looted by local civilians soon after U.S. forces left the area. The Afghan National Army later took control of the area and arrested some looters.
 
selmaborntidefan said:
No, there's at least one that couldn't have:

Before arriving at Fordham, Trump attended New York Military Academy where he was named a captain in his senior year. He continued his military streak by joining ROTC during his freshman year, according to Malnati


He was, in fact, in ARMY ROTC for one year at Fordham.
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i guess that’s where he discovered those debilitating bone spurs
 
bamacpa said:
The outcome of this action is far from certain, but Iran's ability to control the Strait of Hormuz is pretty damaging for all nations. It creates the possibility the Gulf states would be more inclined or strongarmed into aligning with Iran. And China. If made to choose between access to the strait or allowing US military bases in their countries, the Gulf nations have a tough choice to make. Expensive trips to the pump may not be temporary.
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No, what this means, and really I see no way around it, what it means is finish the drill. Air campaign alone will not finish it. There will have to be a ground invasion.
Iran realizes the actual power they wield with the Strait of Hormuz. They can bring the world economy to its knees. Oh sure they always knew they could do damage it, but the U.S. attack made them realize its absolute power over the energy that drives the world economy. Drone technology has made this all possible. Terrorist attacks and missiles alone can be defeated. Those Pesky drones and mines are another matter
God help us, but there is no real alternative at this point. Even if a cease fire was called today, the regime knows what they have and the control they have in the future. They have to be taken out completely. Thank you Donnie.
 
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Bazza said:
I wonder if we hadn't abandoned our air base at Bagram if we could have moved this attack up a few weeks earlier and saved the lives of all those young people and students in Iran who were protesting...and later murdered by the regime.

,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_Airfield

Bagram Air Base was formerly the largest U.S. military base in Afghanistan staffed by the 455th Air Expeditionary Wing of the U.S. Air Force, along with rotating units of the U.S. and coalition forces. It was expanded and modernized by the Americans. There is also a hospital with 50 beds, three operating theatres and a modern dental clinic. Kabul International Airport is located approximately 40 km (25 mi) south of Bagram, connected by two separate roads.

On 15 August 2021, the entire base fell to Taliban rebel forces after the NATO-trained Afghan National Army had surrendered.

As part of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, after nearly 20 years of continuous U.S. presence at the site, the Bagram Air Base was secretly evacuated by the U.S. during the night on 1 July 2021 and de facto handed back to the Afghan government on 2 July 2021.

The last remaining U.S. troops left the base by shutting off the electricity and slipping away in the night without notifying the Afghan Armed Forces.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org

The base was looted by local civilians soon after U.S. forces left the area. The Afghan National Army later took control of the area and arrested some looters.
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Again… protests in Iran don’t mean that there is a clear case of possible regime change. The hijab protests were far more reaching than the recent ones and still the regime survived without much chance of being overthrown.


As far as Bagram…. Why should we even care? Bagram was really only strategic because of its proximity to Kabul. If we are really talking about attacking Iran from Afghanistan then KAF and Herat are far better locations.
 
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bamaga said:
No, what this means, and really I see no way around it, what it means is finish the drill. Air campaign alone will not finish it. There will have to be a ground invasion.
Iran realizes the actual power they wield with the Strait of Hormuz. They can bring the world economy to its knees. Oh sure they always knew they could do damage it, but the U.S. attack made them realize its absolute power over the energy that drives the world economy. Drone technology has made this all possible. Terrorist attacks and missiles alone can be defeated. Those Pesky drones and mines are another matter
God help us, but there is no real alternative at this point. Even if a cease fire was called today, the regime knows what they have and the control they have in the future. They have to be taken out completely. Thank you Donnie.
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You are likely correct and that terrifies me. I don't think we have the leadership, willingness as a nation, and the money to win such a war. But if we don't, we leave Iran in charge of the oil market, with China's backing.
 
bamacpa said:
You are likely correct and that terrifies me. I don't think we have the leadership, willingness as a nation, and the money to win such a war. But if we don't, we leave Iran in charge of the oil market, with China's backing.
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That’s what I am thinking, that and welcome to WW3
 
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bamaga said:
That’s what I am thinking, that and welcome to WW3
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bamaga said:
No, what this means, and really I see no way around it, what it means is finish the drill. Air campaign alone will not finish it. There will have to be a ground invasion.
Iran realizes the actual power they wield with the Strait of Hormuz. They can bring the world economy to its knees. Oh sure they always knew they could do damage it, but the U.S. attack made them realize its absolute power over the energy that drives the world economy. Drone technology has made this all possible. Terrorist attacks and missiles alone can be defeated. Those Pesky drones and mines are another matter
God help us, but there is no real alternative at this point. Even if a cease fire was called today, the regime knows what they have and the control they have in the future. They have to be taken out completely. Thank you Donnie.
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The alternative was let everything play out and stop listening to war mongering Zionists who have been wrong about the state of the Middle East for over 30 years now.

A ground war in Iran would be disastrous. Yeah we would eventually win land but like Iraq and Afghanistan winning points on the map isn’t going to change anything. All it’s going to do is produce hangers of flag draped coffins and eventually destroy our economy even further. I highly doubt the IRGC falls as easily as the IRG. The IRGC are far more true believers in what they do.

It’s like I said in June… letting a draft dodger and a tv anchor for Fox lead a war or military operations is playing with fire. But everyone is too worried about Iran potentially obtaining a nuclear weapon that they have been rumored for decades to be close to having by bibi.

If there is one outcome to come from this that I’m hoping for it would be that finally that our leaders see that JFK’s treatment of Israel was the correct one. Letting them dictate our foreign policy has had nothing but disastrous results.
 
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good lord these people are idiots, and these morons have painted themselves and the rest of us into a corner


Trump administration underestimated Iran war’s impact on Strait of Hormuz​


The Pentagon and National Security Council significantly underestimated Iran’s willingness to close the Strait of Hormuz in response to US military strikes while planning the ongoing operation, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

President Donald Trump’s national security team failed to fully account for the potential consequences of what some officials have described as a worst-case scenario now facing the administration, the sources said.

While key officials from the Departments of Energy and Treasury were present for some of the official planning meetings about the operation before it started, sources said, the agency analysis and forecasts that would be integral elements of the decision-making process in past administrations were secondary considerations.
 
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I'm sure the families and friends of the 7 dead and hundreds injured do not agree, not to mention 12B+ spent so far. Although Russia has been the biggest beneficiary in this so far. (BTW, the Idiot-in-Chief probably meant 'incursion' but said 'excursion' over and over yesterday)

DORAL, FL − President Donald Trump cast the war with Iran as a "little excursion" during a retreat for House Republicans, portraying the ongoing U.S. bombing campaign as a necessity.
"We took a little excursion because we felt we had to do that to get rid of some evil," Trump told Republican lawmakers and donors in an apparent reference to the conflict. "And I think it's going to be a short-term excursion."
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Bamaro said:
I'm sure the families and friends of the 7 dead and hundreds injured do not agree, not to mention 12B+ spent so far. Although Russia has been the biggest beneficiary in this so far. (BTW, the Idiot-in-Chief probably meant 'incursion' but said 'excursion' over and over yesterday)
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neither do the families and friends of the 100+ kids were killed when we targeted a school with a missile
 
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