DeBoer Gets Contract Extension and Raise

[Ledsteplin]

Coach Saban said the right thing, if Bama let's him go who we going to get, Sexton and I believe the guy's name is Armstrong, represent 95% of the coaches, you make them mad and you get some jack leg who can't Coach with a depleted roster and we are back to Dumbos days,all the negativity needs to stop and whether we like it or not, we have to get behind our coach,and I think he will win big hear, just be patient

Absolutely this! I think he's done great under the circumstances. He and his staff sure can recruit quarterbacks. Just get that OL working properly, and we have team. There's certainly a lot of talent on both sides of the line.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

You really think hiring a coach based on the agent he uses is workable?

I'm no Sexton apologists, but there's a reason top coaches use him. We can complain about the system, as it currently is, but ADGB, must operate within it just like every other AD and top football school.

Or, we could "Call Saul" and get a second rate HC. You think that'll work?

Just call Lou, he's on Meds too!

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I’ve asked this question a lot lately, and have yet to get an answer.

Four months ago, we (including me) were all worried about DeBoer leaving for any number of jobs, Michigan being foremost.

The main concern then was who his replacement would be.

So what’s the big stink about a new contract?

IOW, who (not named Anybody) would represent a clear upgrade AND realistically come?

Yeah, Saban was better. Kirby is. Ryan Day is. None of those guys are coming. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but word is Dan Lanning turned us down when Saban retired.

Go ahead and fire DeBoer. Or assume DeBoer grants your wish and voluntarily goes elsewhere.

Who, specifically, is your replacement?

Are you really going to upend the program, risk dozens of players in the portal, and go through a second upheaval in four (or five) years on the chance that Lanning will ignore Nike money?

Or that Phil Knight will die, and his heirs will have different priorities, and we’ll be able to outbid Oregon?

Either (1) make the case that Kirby or Day will come, (2) make the case that Lanning is in that league, and will come, or (3) put forward an alternative name who is such an upgrade from DeBoer that he’s worth paying not only DeBoer’s buyout, but also the new guy’s current deal, and ending up paying him not much less than DeBoer’s new deal.

Any non-Anybody names out there?

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I’ve asked this question a lot lately, and have yet to get an answer.

Four months ago, we (including me) were all worried about DeBoer leaving for any number of jobs, Michigan being foremost.

The main concern then was who his replacement would be.

So what’s the big stink about a new contract?

IOW, who (not named Anybody) would represent a clear upgrade AND realistically come?

Yeah, Saban was better. Kirby is. Ryan Day is. None of those guys are coming. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but word is Dan Lanning turned us down when Saban retired.

Go ahead and fire DeBoer. Or assume DeBoer grants your wish and voluntarily goes elsewhere.

Who, specifically, is your replacement?

Are you really going to upend the program, risk dozens of players in the portal, and go through a second upheaval in four (or five) years on the chance that Lanning will ignore Nike money?

Or that Phil Knight will die, and his heirs will have different priorities, and we’ll be able to outbid Oregon?

Either (1) make the case that Kirby or Day will come, (2) make the case that Lanning is in that league, and will come, or (3) put forward an alternative name who is such an upgrade from DeBoer that he’s worth paying not only DeBoer’s buyout, but also the new guy’s current deal, and ending up paying him not much less than DeBoer’s new deal.

Any non-Anybody names out there?

My thoughts exactly!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I’ve asked this question a lot lately, and have yet to get an answer.

Four months ago, we (including me) were all worried about DeBoer leaving for any number of jobs, Michigan being foremost.

The main concern then was who his replacement would be.

So what’s the big stink about a new contract?

IOW, who (not named Anybody) would represent a clear upgrade AND realistically come?

Yeah, Saban was better. Kirby is. Ryan Day is. None of those guys are coming. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but word is Dan Lanning turned us down when Saban retired.

Go ahead and fire DeBoer. Or assume DeBoer grants your wish and voluntarily goes elsewhere.

Who, specifically, is your replacement?

Are you really going to upend the program, risk dozens of players in the portal, and go through a second upheaval in four (or five) years on the chance that Lanning will ignore Nike money?

Or that Phil Knight will die, and his heirs will have different priorities, and we’ll be able to outbid Oregon?

Either (1) make the case that Kirby or Day will come, (2) make the case that Lanning is in that league, and will come, or (3) put forward an alternative name who is such an upgrade from DeBoer that he’s worth paying not only DeBoer’s buyout, but also the new guy’s current deal, and ending up paying him not much less than DeBoer’s new deal.

Any non-Anybody names out there?

Before I answer, my questioning of the extension, the raise, and the deeper financial liability the University put itself in, had nothing to do with wanting another coach or even thinking we need another coach. It was simply questioning the timing and the nature of the extension, not questioning the employment of the coach.

Now that I've got that out of the way. If the university wanted another coach than DeBoer "right now", what would be the best thing to do, seeing that from a name and recent success standpoint, the university couldn't hire anyone better? There really isn't a "right" or "wrong" answer. But more of someone's business strategy. I've listened to highly, highly successful people both in the sports and corporate worlds say- "If you think a hiring decision needs to be made, it's best to do it now, not wait until you think the best time to do it." Another way to say it is "You don't stay married to someone you know isn't right for you because you haven't found the person that is." Then there are highly, highly successful people in both the sports and corporate worlds who take the approach of "This is probably the best we can get right now, so we're going to stick with them until someone better is available." Both approaches have their pro's and con's. Both approaches have their risks and rewards.

My personal feeling is Byrne truly believes DeBoer is the right coach and the extension is to signal that. I don't think for one second the extension was a "Well, you're the best we can do right now, so we're going to ensure we can keep you for the near future". I don't believe that was the thinking behind the extension and the raise.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

I’ve asked this question a lot lately, and have yet to get an answer.

Four months ago, we (including me) were all worried about DeBoer leaving for any number of jobs, Michigan being foremost.

The main concern then was who his replacement would be.

So what’s the big stink about a new contract?

IOW, who (not named Anybody) would represent a clear upgrade AND realistically come?

Yeah, Saban was better. Kirby is. Ryan Day is. None of those guys are coming. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but word is Dan Lanning turned us down when Saban retired.

Go ahead and fire DeBoer. Or assume DeBoer grants your wish and voluntarily goes elsewhere.

Who, specifically, is your replacement?

Are you really going to upend the program, risk dozens of players in the portal, and go through a second upheaval in four (or five) years on the chance that Lanning will ignore Nike money?

Or that Phil Knight will die, and his heirs will have different priorities, and we’ll be able to outbid Oregon?

Either (1) make the case that Kirby or Day will come, (2) make the case that Lanning is in that league, and will come, or (3) put forward an alternative name who is such an upgrade from DeBoer that he’s worth paying not only DeBoer’s buyout, but also the new guy’s current deal, and ending up paying him not much less than DeBoer’s new deal.

Any non-Anybody names out there?

I know your comments were mostly directed at those who feel the DeBoer hire was a mistake and that he should be let go. Personally I'm not in that camp, at least not yet. I want to see what 2026 is like. I do feel that he hasn't quite earned an extension and raise from results so far and if he's as committed to Bama as he indicates I don't think he would have left even if he didn't get the raise and extension. There's only one notable name not with a major program right now that I think would be an upgrade but we'd have to see if he'd want to come out of retirement. That would be Urban Meyer. He's told people that he's done with coaching but with a ton of money thrown at him maybe he could be enticed. He always considered Bama as the gold standard, at least in the Saban era. He's won FBS national championships and SEC championships, two things that DeBoer hasn't done yet. He's certainly far from perfect as a person but strictly as far as winning football he'd give us a decent chance of playing for a national championship within the next 2-3 seasons. Maybe he's telling the truth and wouldn't even come out of retirement for Bama but certainly worth a phone call.

 

[BamaInBham]

Whether you place the blame on QB play or coaching, ultimately it falls squarely on CKD. And certainly we as Bama fans can’t point fingers at the selection committee. A spot in the playoffs was ours to be had. And we didn’t close the deal.

Sure Alabama fans can point their finger at the CFPC - they failed miserably in their responsibility. It doesn’t matter that Alabama played poorly in a game that could have put the issue to rest - they had already made their case, assuming they beat AU.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I know your comments were mostly directed at those who feel the DeBoer hire was a mistake and that he should be let go. Personally I'm not in that camp, at least not yet. I want to see what 2026 is like. I do feel that he hasn't quite earned an extension and raise from results so far and if he's as committed to Bama as he indicates I don't think he would have left even if he didn't get the raise and extension. There's only one notable name not with a major program right now that I think would be an upgrade but we'd have to see if he'd want to come out of retirement. That would be Urban Meyer. He's told people that he's done with coaching but with a ton of money thrown at him maybe he could be enticed. He always considered Bama as the gold standard, at least in the Saban era. He's won FBS national championships and SEC championships, two things that DeBoer hasn't done yet. He's certainly far from perfect as a person but strictly as far as winning football he'd give us a decent chance of playing for a national championship within the next 2-3 seasons. Maybe he's telling the truth and wouldn't even come out of retirement for Bama but certainly worth a phone call.

Well, I wouldn’t want Meyer, mainly for off-field reasons.

But I appreciate your putting forth a real name as an alternative. There hasn’t been a lot of that in this discussion.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Before I answer, my questioning of the extension, the raise, and the deeper financial liability the University put itself in, had nothing to do with wanting another coach or even thinking we need another coach. It was simply questioning the timing and the nature of the extension, not questioning the employment of the coach.

Now that I've got that out of the way. If the university wanted another coach than DeBoer "right now", what would be the best thing to do, seeing that from a name and recent success standpoint, the university couldn't hire anyone better? There really isn't a "right" or "wrong" answer. But more of someone's business strategy. I've listened to highly, highly successful people both in the sports and corporate worlds say- "If you think a hiring decision needs to be made, it's best to do it now, not wait until you think the best time to do it." Another way to say it is "You don't stay married to someone you know isn't right for you because you haven't found the person that is." Then there are highly, highly successful people in both the sports and corporate worlds who take the approach of "This is probably the best we can get right now, so we're going to stick with them until someone better is available." Both approaches have their pro's and con's. Both approaches have their risks and rewards.

My personal feeling is Byrne truly believes DeBoer is the right coach and the extension is to signal that. I don't think for one second the extension was a "Well, you're the best we can do right now, so we're going to ensure we can keep you for the near future". I don't believe that was the thinking behind the extension and the raise.

I see the logic, but favor another approach.

In the corporate analogy, you can limp along with a vacant position or an interim.

In the other analogy, if you end an unsatisfactory marriage, you don’t have to find someone else essentially immediately….you can remain single until you do find the right person.

Football doesn’t work that way.

If you fire the incumbent, or he leaves voluntarily, you can’t stop or even delay the next season, recruiting cycle, automatic 30-day free transfer period, or the next portal.

So you HAVE to have a new guy, essentially immediately. That holds especially today when your whole team has to be re-recruited every year.

Which is why I still think, if you want to create the vacancy yourself, you absolutely must have an immediate replacement already lined up who will actually come and will represent an improvement of the scale necessary to justify the massive associated costs — both financial and non-financial.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I see the logic, but favor another approach.

In the corporate analogy, you can limp along with a vacant position or an interim.

In the other analogy, if you end an unsatisfactory marriage, you don’t have to find someone else essentially immediately….you can remain single until you do find the right person.

Football doesn’t work that way.

If you fire the incumbent, or he leaves voluntarily, you can’t stop or even delay the next season, recruiting cycle, automatic 30-day free transfer period, or the next portal.

So you HAVE to have a new guy, essentially immediately. That holds especially today when your whole team has to be re-recruited every year.

Which is why I still think, if you want to create the vacancy yourself, you absolutely must have an immediate replacement already lined up who will actually come and will represent an improvement of the scale necessary to justify the massive associated costs — both financial and non-financial.

Again, either way someone decides to do there are risks. Pretend we do have someone "better" to hire and we hire them. It may not work out, they may not have the success everyone thought they would. It doesn't mean they crash and burn, but they don't get the results expected of them. Then, someone could hire a relatively unknown (i.e. Curt Cignetti) and hit the jackpot and look like a genius.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I’ve asked this question a lot lately, and have yet to get an answer.

Four months ago, we (including me) were all worried about DeBoer leaving for any number of jobs, Michigan being foremost.

The main concern then was who his replacement would be.

So what’s the big stink about a new contract?

IOW, who (not named Anybody) would represent a clear upgrade AND realistically come?

Yeah, Saban was better. Kirby is. Ryan Day is. None of those guys are coming. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but word is Dan Lanning turned us down when Saban retired.

Go ahead and fire DeBoer. Or assume DeBoer grants your wish and voluntarily goes elsewhere.

Who, specifically, is your replacement?

Are you really going to upend the program, risk dozens of players in the portal, and go through a second upheaval in four (or five) years on the chance that Lanning will ignore Nike money?

Or that Phil Knight will die, and his heirs will have different priorities, and we’ll be able to outbid Oregon?

Either (1) make the case that Kirby or Day will come, (2) make the case that Lanning is in that league, and will come, or (3) put forward an alternative name who is such an upgrade from DeBoer that he’s worth paying not only DeBoer’s buyout, but also the new guy’s current deal, and ending up paying him not much less than DeBoer’s new deal.

Any non-Anybody names out there?

This guy isn’t Nick Saban, that’s his only crime. He’s having to re-establish a culture without veteran leadership and with a limited NIL budget. He’s a young coach who’s had great early success everywhere he’s been, but he’s having to learn about foundation building in a new environment.

Obviously Byrne thinks he can do it and is trying to keep him around to do it.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

This guy isn’t Nick Saban, that’s his only crime. He’s having to re-establish a culture without veteran leadership and with a limited NIL budget. He’s a young coach who’s had great early success everywhere he’s been, but he’s having to learn about foundation building in a new environment.

Obviously Byrne thinks he can do it and is trying to keep him around to do it.

Your first line says it all. Thing is, as you allude, nobody else is Saban.

Shoot….Saban of 2023 wasn’t Saban of 5 years earlier.

A lot of fans manage to keep a logical inconsistency hardwired into their thought processes: (1) Saban is the GOAT, and (2) If Saban’s successor doesn’t perform as Saban did, he should be canned.

SMH.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Your first line says it all. Thing is, as you allude, nobody else is Saban.

Shoot….Saban of 2023 wasn’t Saban of 5 years earlier.

A lot of fans manage to keep a logical inconsistency hardwired into their thought processes: (1) Saban is the GOAT, and (2) If Saban’s successor doesn’t perform as Saban did, he should be canned.

SMH.

Maybe it’s been said elsewhere but on here I haven’t seen many if any say that CKD should be fired for not being CNS.

People are saying he hasn’t done anything to warrant a raise or an extension.

In the last 2 years combined off the top of my head all these teams have had better 2 year records than us:

Indiana
Oregon
Ole Miss
Miami
UGA
tOSU
BYU
ND
Texas

There might be a few more but the point is He doesn’t need to be CNS but to get a raise or extension but he might need to be as good as any of those first.

It sticks in my craw that we lost 3 games in 2024 specifically because while we had a guy playing some of the worst QB play I’ve ever seen in my life vs Tenn, OU, and Mich we had a Top 15 Round 1 Draft pick watching from the bench because of team politics behind the scenes.

20-8 with 4 blowout losses and 4 losses vs teams with either 5,6, or 7 losses.

Whether that’s worth firing over is possibly a debate but it’s 100% not get a better contract worthy.

 

[squib]

Either (1) make the case that Kirby or Day will come, (2) make the case that Lanning is in that league, and will come, or (3) put forward an alternative name who is such an upgrade from DeBoer that he’s worth paying not only DeBoer’s buyout, but also the new guy’s current deal, and ending up paying him not much less than DeBoer’s new deal.

Make the case that DeBoer had to get a raise or he was going to get hired away.

There were rumors of interest, but it doesn't seem money was laid on the table.

Again, I don't see many here saying we can do better or that he should be fired. I see people saying the DeBoer extension at this juncture seems unmerited.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Make the case that DeBoer had to get a raise or he was going to get hired away.

There were rumors of interest, but it doesn't seem money was laid on the table.

Again, I don't see many here saying we can do better or that he should be fired. I see people saying the DeBoer extension at this juncture seems unmerited.

The case is he got the extension. The people who make that decision think he needed it.

If the extension and raise is what he needed to stay, then I’m glad he got it.

Like it or not, with the money being thrown to players now, Alabama is a mid tier elite job, maybe not even mid tier . It’s missing the most desired aspect that players seem to want: stupid amounts of cash.

I’ll say it again for the thick skulls: DeBoer was picked because he did the most with a mid level roster, the kind of roster Alabama is going to field with this stupid NIL. Take your pick of coaches and tell me who you think would’ve done better: lose your leaders, including defensive all American. Inherit whatever mess he had with Milroe, and an abysmal running game. Win 9 games with a single wing quarterback and then 11 with a first year starter. Improve from the first year to the second.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

The case is he got the extension. The people who make that decision think he needed it.

If the extension and raise is what he needed to stay, then I’m glad he got it.

Like it or not, with the money being thrown to players now, Alabama is a mid tier elite job, maybe not even mid tier . It’s missing the most desired aspect that players seem to want: stupid amounts of cash.

I’ll say it again for the thick skulls: DeBoer was picked because he did the most with a mid level roster, the kind of roster Alabama is going to field with this stupid NIL. Take your pick of coaches and tell me who you think would’ve done better: lose your leaders, including defensive all American. Inherit whatever mess he had with Milroe, and an abysmal running game. Win 9 games with a single wing quarterback and then 11 with a first year starter. Improve from the first year to the second.

This is completely unnecessary.

 

[AlexanderFan]

This is completely unnecessary.

Obviously not. People are being stubborn about accepting the new reality: with the tectonic shift in college football, Alabama isn’t at the top any longer. Success is going to be measured differently.

 

[BamaMoon]

Maybe it’s been said elsewhere but on here I haven’t seen many if any say that CKD should be fired for not being CNS.

People are saying he hasn’t done anything to warrant a raise or an extension.

In the last 2 years combined off the top of my head all these teams have had better 2 year records than us:

Indiana
Oregon
Ole Miss
Miami
UGA
tOSU
BYU
ND
Texas

There might be a few more but the point is He doesn’t need to be CNS but to get a raise or extension but he might need to be as good as any of those first.

It sticks in my craw that we lost 3 games in 2024 specifically because while we had a guy playing some of the worst QB play I’ve ever seen in my life vs Tenn, OU, and Mich we had a Top 15 Round 1 Draft pick watching from the bench because of team politics behind the scenes.

20-8 with 4 blowout losses and 4 losses vs teams with either 5,6, or 7 losses.

Whether that’s worth firing over is possibly a debate but it’s 100% not get a better contract worthy.

Want to talk about CNS? OK, he knew the modern game of college football needed top notch QBs around the middle of the past decade. He started recruiting the best he could get to T-town. Tua, Mac, Bryce and then we missed and missed badly on JM. By the time Ty got his chance, other things eroded around him last year. It appears we have taken steps to fix the OL issues, but time will tell.

Now CKD has come into the picture and he's signed THREE 5 Star QBs in 3 signing cycles and it looks like we are on the verge of signing one in 2028!

Teams are built around QBs and CKD has proven he can recruit the best. Let the man have the time to play these QBS!!!

This year will start to show what we'll become. I believe the foundation is being laid to be the top team in the SEC again.

 

[BamaMoon]

Edit former post: We got him. He'll be the next 5 star QB!

2028 COMMITMENT: Three-star QB Charles Scott Jr. dives into early Alabama decision, 'great fit' with staff

The 6-foot-5, 255-pounder first became a name to know when he picked up an offer while on campus for a spring practice on April 1. Exactly one month later, Scott is officially the first member of the 2028 recruiting class for the Crimson Tide.

247sports.com

 

[BamaMoon]

How broken are some people? I've already seen someone complain about signing a '28 QB, who looks like he's college ready right now, who is rated #1 in his state.

CNS's retirement broke some people badly!