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I think Reilly was the best they could get. Callahan too. Don't get me wrong... I'm sure there other coaches out there that would have taken the job and maybe worked out better, but these two were the best that the hiring folks could get at the time. Just like us and Mike Shula... there were others out there that would have taken the job, but the personalities involved believed Mike Shula was the best they could get at the time. .

Yes and no. There were far better coaches with some Nebraska and midwestern ties available. One name that continuously came out was Craig Bohl. But rumors I heard was that he was willing to stay at Wyoming unless Nebraska started shelling out Nick Saban numbers because he wasnt going to come to that madness without getting paid well enough to ignore the shenanigans from the cornfield. Then they went all in after Bielema, and got played. I think Reilly maybe was the best "name" coach left after those two were off the board, but there were alot of better coaches without a big name that were available.

I believe the Nebraska folks miscalculated the value they carried on the market.. As other have said, Solich and Pelini both were really good coaches that had Nebraska running as well as could be expected, but the Nebraska folks were still living in a Big 8 world that died in 1996.

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Even though Im probably one of the biggest pelini defenders (maybe the only one) on here, he needed to be fired because he got to the point where he didnt care what he said anymore. It really got to the point that both sides needed to go their separate ways
 
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Impressive, indeed. The issue that many of us might have is that his career was just too short.

Meyer's coaching career was 100 games more than Knute Rockne - in a vastly more competitive era - and is 3rd behind Rockne and Leahy in winning pct among FBS.


True enough, he may come back sometime. And he will be successful again. But, the abrupt end at Florida, and the rather abrupt end again in Columbus just doesn't do his skill justice. Last season, when he was active, myself and everyone I know thought of Coach Urban as the second best in the game, still coaching.

The bizarre thing to me is this: when Kobe Bryant was facing rape charges and did well, we were told how this was the mark of a great player - his ability to "block out distractions". Same thing with Ray Lewis, when he took his team to the Super Bowl right after a murder trial.

Urban Meyer or Tom Osborne, though, puts a winning team on the field (Oz winning the 95 national title) that has all kinds of distractions to overcome........and we're told they're selling their souls for fame and glory. I can't defend what went on at Ohio St.

I'm not knocking Kobe Bryant not elevating the latter two (since each case involves abusing women, they are substantially closer in nature than the Ray Lewis one). But it just seems to me there's a predetermined narrative in some of these things.


Let's talk about Urban's end at Florida. The guy had a health scare. Yeah, he ran a modern-day Miami Hurricanes of the 1980s.


Uh, he also recruited so good a team that a no talent coach like Will Muschamp had them on the verge of a BCS title berth. So this whole "he left a mess in Florida" is sorta contradicted by what happened later. Will Muschamp is not such a legendary coach that in the second year after Meyer left he turned in one of the 5 best teams in the country.


On Coach Paterno, it's crushing to see that a lack of judgement took away all the good he did for football players at Penn State. The longevity, the discipline, all there, but poor judgement, maybe not even intentionally, will forever mar his accomplishments. I still think highly of Coach Paterno, but a bit less than I did before what we know now, became known.

I think less of Joe Paterno than I do of John Wayne Gacy.

But the fact remains he DID win those games, plain and simple. I don't consider Cam Newton to be that bad, but I have no doubt he knew what was going on.....but the dollars don't throw the passes or block the field goals, either.

Pete Rose got all those hits and Barry Bonds hit all those home runs - period.

That's just how I look at it, even with folks I don't like.
 
I think perhaps Osborne is rated higher than Switzer is because he stayed longer and didn’t leave Nebraska in probation after he left. But yeah head to head he fore sure beat Osborne like a drum. I guess it helps Osborne that he win pretty much every other game during that time and his boss was the coach he succeeded.
 
Not to start a controversy but I'm genuinely curious. What does everyone think Dabo has to do to make this list? Obviously, coach a lot more games and win more titles but how many more titles/years of winning do you all think he needs?
He could start by dropping the Jethro Bodine persona.
 
TBH with you, I wondered that in the back of my mind, but it's a dumb argument on their part to do so.

Are we going to say Barry Bonds wasn't one of the ten greatest players ever because he juiced? Lots of guys juiced, but they didn't all hit 762 home runs, either. (And doesn't the fact that he was facing juiced pitchers offset that argument at least a little bit?).


But then, well, we've got some problems here.

Bryant admitted to paying players at Texas A/M. He admitted this more than once in SI, and even said he'd been approached by folks about paying players at UA.
But nobody else was winning 323 games and six national titles and owning the SEC, either.

And Tom Osborne coached Lawrence Phillipps, for Pete's sake. I realize that's not the long-term problem of Switzer at OU, but we're not selecting saints for canonization, we're asking who was the best.



I think this notion of us as moral arbiters imposing society on sports needs to cease. The Jerry Sandusky case is the most wretched horror that has come along in the last.....forever maybe? I so enjoyed watching Penn State's defense dismantle Miami in 1987. What a game! But I cannot even watch it on You Tube without a horrible feeling of revulsion at what was going on behind closed doors.

The problem, however, is simple: Joe Paterno won those games. Period. No amount of "we don't recognize that" or "let's punish that school" or anything else changes that.


What I've begun to muse, however, is whether we don't focus too much attention on the wrong things in our assessment of greatness.


Maybe some coaches like Pat Dye, Lou Holtz, Don James, Frank Kush, Ara Parseghian.......maybe some of those guys (or some other names) should be ranked over some of the other guys who had more wins and titles but had a leg up in the first place. Nick Saban's record commends him as (probably) the greatest CFB coach of all-time, but does anyone actually think he would have won 5 or 6 national titles at Michigan State? Saban himself said he couldn't win one in Lansing, so who thinks he could have won five or six?

Maybe Bill Snyder's accomplishments at disadvantaged K-State are better IN CONTEXT than Osborne's as Nebraska.
Or maybe Bill McCartney winning one national title (and losing the other in the final game) at CU is >>>>> Osborne's or Devaney's Nebraska advantages.


I'm just saying that while winning and championships are important, I question the degree to which we arbitrarily rank or dismiss guys based solely on, "Coached for a team with huge advantages over other coaches." It's not much different from the Heisman Trophy. If Kyler Murray had the exact same stats on Iowa State last year (with their record), he's not even invited to NY. But he plays for Oklahoma, so, here's your Heisman. (And before any OU fans think I'm bashing OU or Murray, the same argument can be applied to Tua to some degree).
The argument that Saban should be ahead of Bryant based on tangible output, other than total victories, is a good one. But the bolded part above is why I think Bryant has such a strong argument for #1. He had two perennially unknown programs at the doorstep of national prominence before leaving those programs. Neither Kentucky nor A&M amounted to much before Bryant and neither has made much of an impact since. Saban seems to be better at assembling top talent, especially at a top program, but Bryant was better at motivating average players to perform over their heads.

SI may have been thinking along the same lines, as they mentioned intangibles like charisma and image as part of their rationale for giving Bryant the top spot.
 
Another list we can argue:



1) I ask - again - HOW can you rate TOM OSBORNE over BARRY SWITZER in any one of these discussions?


Both won 3 national championships and two of Nebraska's were of the "didn't have to play the other unbeaten team" variety. And Switzer not only beat him, he OWNED Osborne, 12-5 in 17 contests. And keep in mind, their 1978 regular season win was by 3 points in a game where Oklahoma fumbled 11 times and lost nine, including once at the Husker 3-yard-line.

2) Dabo Swinney - are you kidding me?

Dabo won 2 titles in 3 years and lost the championship game in a blowout after winning 29 games in a row.

Just like Dennis Erickson did (1989-92). So shouldn't Dennis Erickson be on this list?

3) Where is Pop Warner?

They only named a football league after him.

4) Devaney >>>>> Osborne

5) You can find him bad for the off-the-field stuff but the guy at Penn State won a lot of games.

6) Where's Eddie Robinson? Bud Wilkinson? Walter Camp? Clark Shaugnessy?

7) It's too early for Kirby Smart


He's done well, but he's only slightly above Dennis Erickson, too. Granted, his schedule has been substantially more difficult - and he's good - but I think he needs another title to be in the discussion.

And no, Kirby didn't inherit a bad job. Richt went 10-3 his last year, and the three losses were to the eventual national champion, eventual division champion, and a one score loss to Tennessee on the road when Nick Chubb went down early with a season-ending knee injury.


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In my opinion Kirby should at least be ahead of Dabo. They should both be at the bottom of that top ten list though.

Agree. Kirby is a much better HC than Dabo.

Dabo needed to be in a Weak Conference with Staff continuity, Two 1st Rd Draft picks at QB, Sign Stealing, and Illegal plays to win 2 NC’s

Kirby went Back to Back in the SEC with Stetson Bennett at QB
 
At first, I was surprised at Bear being #1 on this list, but after some thought, I sort of agree. I'd probably choose Saban myself, but without the foundation Bear built, there is no Saban. The Saban dynasty was not merely Saban, it was the combination of Saban and the most powerful brand in college athletics together. This is also why I believe Saban wouldn't have won 7 had he stayed at LSU his entire career.
 
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At first, I was surprised at Bear being #1 on this list, but after some thought, I sort of agree. I'd probably choose Saban myself, but without the foundation Bear built, there is no Saban. The Saban dynasty was not merely Saban, it was the combination of Saban and the most powerful brand in college athletics together. This is also why I believe Saban wouldn't have won 7 had he stayed at LSU his entire career.

The original article and list is from 2019 and outdated.

Even still imo CNS was already #1 but after 2020 it was definitely cemented.

Coach Bryant did build a foundation but that was eroded away after the Three Mikes and being on probation.

Our brand image was at an all time low after Shula.

CNS had to rebuild almost everything from scratch and dominated on both the Conference level and National Level.

6 Unanimous and Consensus NC’s at Bama where you either had to win a 1 vs 2 NCG or win a Playoff bracket consisting of the Top 4 teams plus another split title at LSU where he also had to build a foundation from nothing.

Imo if CNS stays at LSU he absolutely just dominates and wins just as much and especially when there is no telling who would be our HC instead of CNS. Our track record was bad for about 3-4 hires in a row so I’m going to guess CNS whips whoever it would have been.
 
In my opinion Kirby should at least be ahead of Dabo. They should both be at the bottom of that top ten list though.
I don't know, though. Dabo is the only coach to build a program that was able to go toe-to-toe with the greatest dynasty the sports world has ever seen, at its peak. Both of Kirbys's championship wins came on the downturn of the dynasty. Kirby has certainly adapted better to the new landscape, but Dabo's accomplishments at his peak are extremely underrated imo.
 
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Some years ago, a magazine (SI? I'm not sure.) made a list of the Top 10 coaches across all sports, professional and amateur.

If I remember correctly, John Wooden ended up #1.
 
1. Bear Bryant
2. Nick Saban
3. Urban Meyer
4. Woody Hayes
5. Frank Leahy
7. Darrell Royal
8. Bud Wilkinson
9. Tom Osborne
10. Joe Paterno/Amos Staggs
 
Imo if CNS stays at LSU he absolutely just dominates and wins just as much and especially when there is no telling who would be our HC instead of CNS. Our track record was bad for about 3-4 hires in a row so I’m going to guess CNS whips whoever it would have been.
If Saban stays at lsu. dabaxter probably gets his wish and we end up with Paul Johnson then after that probably 3 or 4 more coaches.
 
The original article and list is from 2019 and outdated.

Even still imo CNS was already #1 but after 2020 it was definitely cemented.

Coach Bryant did build a foundation but that was eroded away after the Three Mikes and being on probation.

Our brand image was at an all time low after Shula.

CNS had to rebuild almost everything from scratch and dominated on both the Conference level and National Level.

6 Unanimous and Consensus NC’s at Bama where you either had to win a 1 vs 2 NCG or win a Playoff bracket consisting of the Top 4 teams plus another split title at LSU where he also had to build a foundation from nothing.

Imo if CNS stays at LSU he absolutely just dominates and wins just as much and especially when there is no telling who would be our HC instead of CNS. Our track record was bad for about 3-4 hires in a row so I’m going to guess CNS whips whoever it would have been.
Tha brand was such that all it needed was the right ambassador. We may have had a rough prior 15 years, but we still had the most natties, and were still the GOAT peogram. Recruits did not forget that. He rebuilt Bama much faster than he built LSU, and it was clear that Saban Bama was on a whole.other level than Saban LSU, 5 years in. Some of that was him being more experienced after the NFL and just being in it longer, but some of that was also the combination of Saban and Bama together.

I think Saban probably ends with 5 at LSU. Even if Bama wasn't in the way, there would've been someone else. These things can have a ripple effect, so not everything else would be the same. A worthy adversary would've appeared somewhere. They always do when someone is having great success. Maybe he never puts Urban in the hospital, and it's Urban at Florida vs Saban at LSU battling it out for a decade until Dabo comes along.
 
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The original article and list is from 2019 and outdated.

Even still imo CNS was already #1 but after 2020 it was definitely cemented.

Coach Bryant did build a foundation but that was eroded away after the Three Mikes and being on probation.

Our brand image was at an all time low after Shula.

CNS had to rebuild almost everything from scratch and dominated on both the Conference level and National Level.

6 Unanimous and Consensus NC’s at Bama where you either had to win a 1 vs 2 NCG or win a Playoff bracket consisting of the Top 4 teams plus another split title at LSU where he also had to build a foundation from nothing.

Imo if CNS stays at LSU he absolutely just dominates and wins just as much and especially when there is no telling who would be our HC instead of CNS. Our track record was bad for about 3-4 hires in a row so I’m going to guess CNS whips whoever it would have been.

I would argue Saban's accomplishment is substantially more than Bryant's for a few reasons (which should not be misconstrued into "haters gone hate Coach Bryant," whose picture adorned my wall many years ago.

1) Saban actually had to win his championships by beating the "second best team" in the country.

Look, it was the way it was, but three of Bryant's six titles were voted titles before the bowl games. And in two of those (1964 and 1973), his team lost the bowl game. Starting in 2003, Saban's national championships ALL required him to play one of the other best teams (and his last three titles required him to play TWO of the other best teams) to validate the championship. That's not to say Bryant COULD NOT have done it, but it doesn't change the fact that national championships are far more "earned" nowadays through on-the-field results than they were in Bryant's time.

2) Bryant won 4 of his 6 titles in the era of unlimited scholarships.

Technically, all six of Bryant's were under "almost" unlimited scholarships. Limitations began in 1973 and were further adopted in 1978, which is why the early 1980s saw more parity in almost all of the conferences (Iowa won the 1981 Big Ten title, Illinois won it in 1983 - this after literal decades of Ohio State and Michigan always winning it. Six different SEC teams won the conference in six years in the early 1980s as well).

Saban did not have that luxury. Again - everyone in Bryant's time had the same rules, and he deserves credit for knowing how to use the rules to his team's benefit. But it doesn't change the fact that the more stringent standards were imposed on Saban.

3) Saban's schedules were immensely more difficult than Bryant's, even in the regular season.

Again, this is not to impugn Bryant, it's just a hard fact of life. Alabama prior to the 1978 title was almost exclusively regional AS WAS THE ENTIRE SPORT. Alabama's out-of-conference schedules in the 1960s and well into the 1970s were ridiculously pathetic. Again - TV rights fees hadn't skyrocketed for college football, nor is it accurate to say "Alabama is skeered of good teams" like trolls argue. And to be fair, there were cultural and sociological realities in Bryant's scheduling - northern teams weren't going to play Southern teams due to segregation, and even if everything had turned on a dime overnight in 1965, schedules in those days were made ten years out. Bryant's out-of-conference scheduling got substantially tougher starting around 1977, when in one season we faced Nebraska and #1 USC on the road. But Saban's teams - starting 2008 - almost always played a blockbuster opponent in either week one or two.

4) The SEC was substantially more balanced, talented, and deep in Saban's era.

Quick, somebody tell me how many other SEC teams won national championships during Bryant's time at Alabama? And I mean ACTUAL titles from the AP or UPI, not some Post Cereal/Satellite Orbit Magazine title. LSU (1958) and maybe - MAYBE if you stretch the definition - Ole Miss (1962) with the FWAA. And then Georgia (1980) after he won his last one.

Saban's teams played the team that won the previous year's national championship in 2008, 2009, 2011, 2017, 2020, and 2023. They knocked off the team ranked #1 in November or later in 2009, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2021, and 2023. And during his time as an SEC coach, Florida, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia all won titles, Auburn came within 12 seconds of another one, and Mississippi State rose to #1 for five weeks. The SEC was so talented that on no less than three occasions in 11 years, we had an all-SEC national championship game.

Again, nobody is saying Bryant COULD NOT have done what Saban did, but the fact remains that one did it, the other did not.

5) Saban never had the downturn that marked Bryant's tenure of 1967-1970.

Saban had a three-loss season in 2010 that clearly as the years go by looked more and more like a scheduling fluke than anything else. Bryant had a rough go of it for four years. No, it wasn't even close to al his fault, but look at how almost every dynasty has a downturn of at least 2-3 years before reloading. Saban never had that issue.

Look, I could probably list 3 or 4 more achievements, but my purpose isn't to take Bryant down a peg. He himself would probably rate Saban's accomplishments ahead of his own.

The heartbreaker for us is that we COULD have had Bobby Bowden in the span of, say, 1987-2006, and who knows?
 
Some years ago, a magazine (SI? I'm not sure.) made a list of the Top 10 coaches across all sports, professional and amateur.

If I remember correctly, John Wooden ended up #1.

Which is a damn joke since everyone knows how that dynasty was built on dirty money and Sam Gilbert.

Imagine five Cam Newton scandals at all five positions plus the bench for a decade or so, all on the same team. I mean, as great as Cam was, there were 21 other starters on that team, a few who were likey not paid very much at all.
 
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