2013 College Football Hall of Fame Class Announced; No Derrick Thomas

selmaborntidefan

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What an utter disgrace.

Let me say this - I did not see Lee Roy Jordan play. But I'll say this - Derrick Thomas was the most dominating college linebacker I ever saw. Keep in mind he wasn't a full-fledged starter his first two years because a certain college football HOFer named Cornelius Bennett was the star. He didn't have the mouth of Brian Bosworth. Thomas just went out there and dominated. He finished tenth in the 1988 Heisman voting - and that was back when defensive players virtually never even got consideration for it. (I can't complain that Barry Sanders won it - he deserved it). He was far better than Suh or Teo, who both got hype and undeserved high finishes in recent years.

Go back and look at 1988. Alabama finished 9-3 and a fan threw a brick through Bill Curry's window* they were so angry at the Ole Miss loss. Yet without Derrick Thomas, we probably fire Curry at the end of that year. The man single-handedly won the Penn State game. The final was 8-3, and Thomas had eight tackles including three sacks - including the safety. He sacked Kentucky four times in a game we trailed, 17-0, in the third quarter and won, 31-27, on the last play. And we beat Tennessee primarily because of Thomas as well. Three losses there makes a 9-3 year a 5-6 year - and probably gets Bill Curry fired.


To give some of you young folks an idea......think about who we've had as fearsome pash rushers lately - McClain, Dareus, Hightower, Upshaw - I'd take Thomas over all of them combined without pausing. I'd take Thomas over any other single Alabama linebacker I've ever seen play and that says a LOT folks. In the 1988 Sun Bowl, he blocked TWO field goal attempts, broke up a pass, and made SIX unassisted tackles (two for loss) against Army's wishbone. Once again - without Thomas we lose that game and badly as we gave up 350 yards rushing (the same total we got against UGA last December).



Boy I'm hot about this one.



* - allegedly. We still need a Snopes investigation.
 

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What an utter disgrace.

Let me say this - I did not see Lee Roy Jordan play. But I'll say this - Derrick Thomas was the most dominating college linebacker I ever saw. Keep in mind he wasn't a full-fledged starter his first two years because a certain college football HOFer named Cornelius Bennett was the star. He didn't have the mouth of Brian Bosworth. Thomas just went out there and dominated. He finished tenth in the 1988 Heisman voting - and that was back when defensive players virtually never even got consideration for it. (I can't complain that Barry Sanders won it - he deserved it). He was far better than Suh or Teo, who both got hype and undeserved high finishes in recent years.
I am in total agreement.

I am a little older than DT and had a friend in T-town that was friends with the football players. I was visiting him and he was with some football players and we got to talking about the team. At the time, Biscuit was the big man on campus and I started talking to them about Biscuit. They all told me that there was a freshman on the team that would be better than Biscuit and that none of the OL could come close to blocking him. At the time, I could not comprehend anyone saying someone was better than Biscuit but I learned in a very short time that I was wrong. Leeroy and Biscuit were great but DT is our best LB of all time IMO.
 

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Look, I realize I wear Crimson colored glasses - but I don't ever recall a linebacker dominating to the extent he did. Lawrence Taylor was awesome in both college and pro, and I'd rate him ahead of DT in the NFL. But in college there was no peer to the awesome Christian man whose father died in Vietnam during one of the Linebacker operations. He was all over the field. And Barry Sanders that year was also the best college running back I ever saw (Walter Payton or Eric Dickerson in the pros - but I never saw Jim Brown play).
 

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Everyone was up in arms today on Twitter over Tommy Frazier of Nebraska finally being inducted. And Frazier was great - a phenomenal option QB at Nebraska and he well deserves the honor. But he was first eligible in 2006. I still can't get over Thomas being eligible 15 years!

And what he did off the field... it's a complete sham that he's still not been inducted.
 

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It took far too long for him to get into the NFL hall of fame.

But this is far more egregious than that. What he did at Alabama was on the level of Barry Sanders at Oklahoma State. 27 sacks in one season is unreal. 52 in his career.
The 52 in his career at Bama is the NCAA record, which was tied by Tedy Bruschi, (1992-95), who did get in on this ballot. Unforgivable.
 

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It is great that Frazier gets in...well deserved. It is a shame that Derrick Thomas is not in the Hall. I truly believe he is discriminated against because he had so many children out of wedlock.
 

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I don't think anyone who understands football could possibly disagree that Derrick Thomas is one of the best football players of the modern era.

Having said that, though, I don't care in the slightest that he is not in the college football hall of fame, mostly because I think the idea of a college football hall of fame is silly in the first place. Maybe this is my bias against pro baseball showing through, but I recoil a bit from the idea of the formal canonization of individual athletes in a sport as team-oriented as college football. How do you quantify greatness of individuals on football teams over time? Most years we can't even agree on who the best teams are, much less individuals--I mean, how many of us have argued that the Heisman is a bit of a joke because it only goes to the best skill position player on one of the best 10 (ish) teams each year?

Leaving all that aside, I can't bring myself to care what some random people's rankings of players are. The people who vote on inductions aren't exactly a blue-ribbon panel. They are simply people who are available, and useful (whether for name recognition or their potential as donors) to the National Football Foundation, which, despite its lofty name, is just a nonprofit that exists to run a museum, hold some banquets, and pass out some scholarships.

Bottom line for me: College football isn't baseball, where stats and individual accomplishments mean as much as/more than team achievement. Our hall of fame isn't some arbitrary brick-and-mortar place that just happened to be first in line to open a hall of fame. College football's "hall of fame" is made up of the list of players we talk about at tailgates and at games and during all the rest of the times that we sit around and talk about football. And in that way, to me, it feels much more authentic, more college football-like.
 

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I let the folks at the College Football HOF how I felt about it on their facebook page.
 

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DT's 74 TFL are also an NCAA record that doesn't exist because they didn't keep up with them officially at that time...

He was incredibly dominant and his exclusion from the CFHoF is absolutely ludicrous.
 

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Neither of them are in the NCAA Record Book. NCAA did not keep sack stats prior to 2000.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf
Whether it's official or not it's being reported as the record. I don't know how something can be official if stats prior to 2000 aren't included. That's over 100 years of football missing. It's not like they can't go back and include stats prior to 2000. They have the information.
 

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Whether it's official or not it's being reported as the record. I don't know how something can be official if stats prior to 2000 aren't included. That's over 100 years of football missing. It's not like they can't go back and include stats prior to 2000. They have the information.
It is a shame the NCAA did not start keeping sack stats sooner. The NFL did not start counting sacks until 1982 and they say if you went back and counted sacks prior to '82 Deacon Jones would hold the NFL record and it would not be close.
 

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