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TiderJ said:
I would think being told right before a game starts in a big time nationally televised SEC game in front of 100,000+ people that you are starting instead of the other guy who started the other games would be quite the surprise and would be quite intimidating. You must walk around with ice water in your veins Krazy.
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There was no starter before any game at that point. It was just a matter of who got the nod to begin the game but Saban was consistent in saying there was no starter. So, what Coker did against Wisconsin was exactly the same situation! Now, why does no one say that? Why isn't anyone talking about his "surprise" start against Wisconsin? Because he was prepared to start? Because he was ready? What's the difference? I'm not seeing it. By the time the Ole Miss game rolled around, both guys had seen the field plenty of times, both were prepared and both knew there was no starter named! I just can't figure out why when Coker was put in very similar situations people don't respond to it the same way. There was no starter, both were prepared to start and for the Ole Miss game that was Bateman. That's all that was any different from any of the first few games when no starter was named.

I also think it's a major disservice to act as though the Alabama coaching staff didn't prepare both of these guys for this situation. Coker handled it fine didn't he? Ok, well he was prepared by the same guys preparing Bateman. I'm not seeing what was so special about his case.
 
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BamaMoon said:
It helps to pass the time, but I'd prefer to have a couple of years of a returning, capable/dynamic starter as opposed to the last two years of uncertainty at the position.

Somehow, it seems discussion replacing the middle linebacker or safety or center seems less critical than having to replace a qb. It may or may not be the case, but just seems that way to me.
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.............. and yet we made the playoffs both years and walked away with a "Natty" :wink: one of those.

I like our chances. :cool2:
 
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TheTradition said:
The main issue with Cornwell has always been consistency. Sometimes he looks great, other times he looks lost. It's not that surprising considering he only played a few years of QB in HS. He also had some mechanical issues coming out. I remember a few years ago at the Elite 11, Dilfer said something along the lines of "His best is better than everyone else's, but he just doesn't have it everyday."

I've always thought the one thing DC had going for him was his upside was higher than the other guys, but I'm not sure that's the case anymore. Arm talent wise, he's probably still got it..but as far as the complete package, I tend to favor Barnett and Hurts.
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Wow, that's an interesting observation by Dilfer...
 
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CrimSonami said:
.............. and yet we made the playoffs both years and walked away with a "Natty" :wink: one of those.

I like our chances. :cool2:
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And we won two in a row and should have been 3 with AJ starting 3 years in a row.:)
 
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KrAzY3 said:
There was no starter before any game at that point. It was just a matter of who got the nod to begin the game but Saban was consistent in saying there was no starter. So, what Coker did against Wisconsin was exactly the same situation! Now, why does no one say that? Why isn't anyone talking about his "surprise" start against Wisconsin? Because he was prepared to start? Because he was ready? What's the difference? I'm not seeing it. By the time the Ole Miss game rolled around, both guys had seen the field plenty of times, both were prepared and both knew there was no starter named! I just can't figure out why when Coker was put in very similar situations people don't respond to it the same way. There was no starter, both were prepared to start and for the Ole Miss game that was Bateman. That's all that was any different from any of the first few games when no starter was named.

I also think it's a major disservice to act as though the Alabama coaching staff didn't prepare both of these guys for this situation. Coker handled it fine didn't he? Ok, well he was prepared by the same guys preparing Bateman. I'm not seeing what was so special about his case.
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I think it is obvious the staff would have had both guys prepared. My point is you are coming across as it should have been no big deal mentally to be named the starter right before the game and to start your first collegiate game in that situation. I am just trying to give Cooper a bit of a break and from your stance on many threads we have discussed this you are not going to do that.
 
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I'm not the slightest bit concerned about who will be our starting QB. After all we do have the "QB Whisperer." 😜
An personally I'm hoping he hangs around an takes over once Saban has decided, on his own terms, to retire.
 
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TiderJ said:
I think it is obvious the staff would have had both guys prepared. My point is you are coming across as it should have been no big deal mentally to be named the starter right before the game and to start your first collegiate game in that situation. I am just trying to give Cooper a bit of a break and from your stance on many threads we have discussed this you are not going to do that.
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Well, perhaps you missed some things I said. I never once said it was an easy situation. It was a very difficult situation to be in. Ole Miss was not an easy opponent. I will concede I probably haven't heaped a lot of compliments on Bateman, other than comparing him to Gmac, which is a compliment, or pointing out he was a 4 star recruit, which says something. But other than that I really don't have much to compliment him on. He's got speed supposedly, but he's never run in college, or in any scrimmage as far as I'm aware. He supposedly has issues throwing the ball deep, not my words, not my idea. Statistically speaking his stats thus far put him at the lower echelon of Saban QBs (comparable to GMac though). I hung in there defending Blake Sims and Jacob Coker, but the fact is Bateman has to do something before I jump on his bandwagon. I'd love for him to turn out great and I've said over and over it could happen, but I can't compliment him on what he hasn't done yet.

In either case, and I've been consistent on this. I just disagree with the narrative that Bateman was "blindsided" by the start (to quote someone else), that it was a "surprise" start, or that Coker was "benched". None of that coincides with what the Alabama coaches said and did leading up to the start. It was tough, sure, never questioned that, but I did reject the idea that this was some out of left field (the most valid argument I've heard saying Bateman had a tougher time than Coker was that Coker got for time with the starters in previous games). If anyone listened to everything Saban said leading up to that it was clear that who would start a particular game was dependent on several variables.

I will point this out though. I was always supportive of Foster. I've always been supportive of AG. I backed JPW and Gmac as the starters. I stood up for both Blake Sims and Jacob Coker at points in time in which neither were particularly popular here. I firmly believe in supporting the players and trying to be realistic going forward. I think Bateman might be the starter, I think he could do the job well (I'll cheer for him what ever his role is). But I just won't say things I feel are false to serve that narrative.
 
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I was one of those who thought he looked iffy against Ole Miss.

When I rewatched it recently, I think it is arguable that the only reason he was pulled for Coker was due to his bell getting rung on that interception. He simply was not playing that poorly. Blake Sims had worse moments than that the year prior and he never got pulled.
 
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This is going to be real interesting next month. I hope that We'll see epic battle playing out for the month of the August. Something tells me that we'll see unique situation playing out at QB this fall.
 
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As close as it seems, I'd be shocked if it wasn't Cooper starting against USC, barring injury.

Saban has a history of choosing the game manager at QB over risk. Cooper fits that mold and has some game experience.

I wish Barnett would grow up quickly, and grab that spot. He's got the potential and tools to be one of the best Bama QB's ever. Hurts needs a year to mature.
 
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BAMAfan777 said:
As close as it seems, I'd be shocked if it wasn't Cooper starting against USC, barring injury.
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It is hard to say this far out, but we could see it handled like the year it came between AJ and Phillip Sims. AJ was clearly the most experienced and could easily have been expected to land the job. Phillip was a huge talent though and seemed to have done things right as well. Saban let the battle go into the regular season, and some speculated that was as much to indulge Phillip as anything else. In this situation, if Bateman just isn't blowing away the coaches, they might just let one of the talented young guys take the role of 1B until someone really claims the job. That really seems more likely than just naming an outright starter with the way things have gone the past few years.
 
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BAMAfan777 said:
As close as it seems, I'd be shocked if it wasn't Cooper starting against USC, barring injury.

Saban has a history of choosing the game manager at QB over risk. Cooper fits that mold and has some game experience.

I wish Barnett would grow up quickly, and grab that spot. He's got the potential and tools to be one of the best Bama QB's ever. Hurts needs a year to mature.
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Are you sure Hurts needs a year to mature?


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rgw said:
I was one of those who thought he looked iffy against Ole Miss.

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I was at the game and I thought so too. I finally went back and watched it with an objective point of view.

rgw said:
I think it is arguable that the only reason he was pulled for Coker was due to his bell getting rung on that interception. .
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I don't know if I can buy into that fully. I still think the fact Ole Miss was creeping up, and that we just got another fumble on a kickoff played a huge factor in Coker coming in

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. He simply was not playing that poorly. .
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He didn't play as bad as people remember, but I do think there was a clear and obvious difference between when Bateman was in and when Coker was in. Coker did gamble a lot in the game, and probably should really have 4 picks in that game, but Ole Miss was very confused on how to play Coker.

I think Bateman's biggest problems in that game where 1) not knowing where the 1st down marker was and 2) not keeping it on some of the zone reads. Other than that he played OK. IMO

rgw said:
Blake Sims had worse moments than that the year prior and he never got pulled.
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But then again, Blake Sims could just as easily come back and change the game in the very next play as well. Coker and Sims both had the ability of putting a mistake behind them quickly. Bateman might have that too, but I just don't think the coaches wanted to find out at that point of the game.
 
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Heard Travis Reier talk Hurts multiple times last week. One time he mentioned hearing the older players are beginning to be impressed with him.

Combine that with Saban's comment, and I'm going to say we shouldn't discount either guy winning the job.


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