The Big Ten will go after Miami. They are now an AAU school.
As is Notre Dame, conveniently enough.
As is Notre Dame, conveniently enough.
ACC and PAC 12 Demise seems close (FSU officially stating intentions to fight ACC Grant of Rights… Clemson sues the ACC)
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Regrettably, I agree. Can you imagine trying to watch Miami vs Rutgers in Miami with a crowd of 27,000. I would rather have a root canal than trying to watch that game.
I slated Duke with UNC coming to the SEC just because i think that rivalry is very important to both schools as well as networks. TV will still want to see that series played. Plus I think there is untapped value for the SEC in basketball. There really is no conference transfer left on the table in football that will bring more than is allocated $50m annually in TV viewership.
If I'm Sankey and the SEC, I pursue geographical expansion to the east coast to carry the SEC brand to a new market, next move toward to creating total sports value by investing in basketball, baseball, golf, and women's sports and lessening competitive barriers for all conference members in these sports.
If I'm Sankey and the SEC, I pursue geographical expansion to the east coast to carry the SEC brand to a new market, next move toward to creating total sports value by investing in basketball, baseball, golf, and women's sports and lessening competitive barriers for all conference members in these sports.
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Arizona Possibly Preparing To Jump To The Big 12: REPORT
It sounds like the Arizona Wildcats might be giving the Big 12 a serious look. Will the Wildcats leave the PAC-12?
www.outkick.com
I don't think it is a matter of if it happens, but when it does, Arizona St and Utah will be next to go and probably make an announcement by the end of the week or next month. I'm curious when Stanford, Oregon, and Washington will make there move?
Depends on whether or not the Big Ten wants them. They are kind of in "no man's land" because while the Big 12 would gladly take them, they believe that is beneath them. They want in the Big Ten, and while the Big Ten might be interested, I'm sure they are still playing poker with Notre Dame and some ACC schools which they prefer over UW and UO.Arizona Possibly Preparing To Jump To The Big 12: REPORT
It sounds like the Arizona Wildcats might be giving the Big 12 a serious look. Will the Wildcats leave the PAC-12?
I don't think it is a matter of if it happens, but when it does, Arizona St and Utah will be next to go and probably make an announcement by the end of the week or next month. I'm curious when Stanford, Oregon, and Washington will make there move?
Frankly I hope they get left in a vastly watered down PAC 12. Or PAC 8.
($$$ paywall but headline says it all)
www.wsj.com
Couldn't happen to a more pompous group....
Being so proud of the 160 championships in beach volleyball, underwater basketweaving, frisbee golf, water polo, tiddlywinks, and mixed curling are why the PAC 12 deserves a long, slow death. They're "great" in all the sports nobody cares about and nobody watches. Good luck PAC12 / (new) BIG-PAC 8!
To me this sounds like aubies ..."We were 3-9 this year but at least we played Bama close!"
The Pac-12 Is Almost the Pac-8 Again. Can It Survive the College Sports Consolidation?
Colorado’s decision to leave the conference—a year after UCLA and USC said they are leaving—has left a powerhouse of collegiate sports reeling.
www.wsj.com
Couldn't happen to a more pompous group....
Being so proud of the 160 championships in beach volleyball, underwater basketweaving, frisbee golf, water polo, tiddlywinks, and mixed curling are why the PAC 12 deserves a long, slow death. They're "great" in all the sports nobody cares about and nobody watches. Good luck PAC12 / (new) BIG-PAC 8!
To me this sounds like aubies ..."We were 3-9 this year but at least we played Bama close!"
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Very few are actually interested in watching them in the sports everyone does care about though. Hence why they can't negotiate a tv contract.($$$ paywall but headline says it all)
The Pac-12 Is Almost the Pac-8 Again. Can It Survive the College Sports Consolidation?
Colorado’s decision to leave the conference—a year after UCLA and USC said they are leaving—has left a powerhouse of collegiate sports reeling.
Couldn't happen to a more pompous group....
Being so proud of the 160 championships in beach volleyball, underwater basketweaving, frisbee golf, water polo, tiddlywinks, and mixed curling are why the PAC 12 deserves a long, slow death. They're "great" in all the sports nobody cares about and nobody watches. Good luck PAC12 / (new) BIG-PAC 8!
To me this sounds like aubies ..."We were 3-9 this year but at least we played Bama close!"
I can't remember the last time I watched a PAC 12 game for a team that wasn't USC or Oregon. I've watched parts of games with Washington, Utah, and UCLA but I can't remember the last time I have watched anything with the other teams.
I don't unless they are playing some game against a name opponent from another conference, including bowl games.
The problem is that in an effort to compete with the rest of the country, they started putting bigger games on during the late time slot. Unless it is Alabama, I am not staying up for a 10 PM kickoff. And while there are degenerates who will watch college football until 2 AM on a Sunday morning, most of us aren't going to.
However, all of this could be mitigated if those people who lived in the PAC 12 footprint cared enough to tune in. Cared enough to demand carriage of the Pac 12 Network from people like Direct TV. But they do not. The PAC (insert number here) is D.O.A. And good riddance, I say.
As usual, I have too many thoughts on the matter...
The big news at the moment is Colorado to the Big 12. The real news is that this means the Pac-12 is in major trouble and more moves are very likely to happen. The rest is mostly speculation based on what at this point in time is primarily information posted on social media.
Big 10:
Their addition of USC and UCLA got this ball rolling, but apparently they couldn't find a way to make revenue sharing work with more additions from the west coast. So, Oregon and Washington are in limbo waiting for an invite that does not seem to be imminent. They are likely waiting on the grant of rights deal to get closer to expiring to make a move on more attractive ACC schools.
Pac-12:
They were trying to thread a needle and failed. Reportedly asking for a laughable 50 million per school deal, they are now apparently presenting a 20 million per school deal to the remaining members. What they were trying to do made some sense, if they kept every school in line and did not dilute themselves with any weak additions, they might have been able to swing a bigger deal. But, Colorado got tired of the process and went for a sure thing. Now there is blood in the water and there is no way they can get a deal that keeps them competitive with the other power conferences. In theory their path forward would have been try to get a good deal and then they might have even been able to poach a couple Big 12 schools (Texas Tech and Kansas for example) but now it's all about survival (or they could dissolve).
Big 12:
They have completely flipped things on the Pac-12, a conference which nearly ended the Big 12 in the past. Now, the question isn't really if they add more Pac-12 schools but how many. Arizona seems like a done deal (they want to get to 14 schools) and reportedly Arizona isn't even talking to the Pac-12 right now. However, neither is Utah. Geographically, Arizona, Arizona St., and Utah all make sense but Arizona is the big prize there. Realistically though there aren't many Pac-12 schools the Big 12 wouldn't take. The Big 12 has 5 schools now that were not in power conferences, so almost any Power 5 addition would be an upgrade (they have a TV contract which stipulates that, giving a full share to up to 4 Power 5 additions no matter who they are). So one more school seems like a sure thing, but a bigger question might be if they try to go beyond four.
ACC:
They seem to be looking at expansion as well, and it does make sense from their perspective. If they can get big enough, the SEC and Big 10 can't really destroy them (they are on the clock though with their grant of rights deal so the longer they wait the weaker they might be), so making a move that not only solidified their position as the third best conference, but also increases their numbers seems best for their long term survival. However, I'm not sure how that might influence their current deals.
They have a couple moves they could make here. One would be a more geographically sound move to pick off a couple Big 12 schools. For instance, West Virginia (a very good geographical fit and natural rival for Pitt) and Kansas (a very good revenue earner and natural fit with their basketball schools). I'm also not sure how restrictive the current Big 12 extended deal which comes in at 31.7 million per schools is. The other move is swing big with Oregon and Washington, two schools that would in theory increase their revenue (12 million population in those two states, and as long as Phil Knight is around Oregon athletics will be competitive), but also a bad fit geographically.
One thing the ACC could try to do here is add Oregon, Washington, Cal, and Stanford. Stanford has an excellent athletic department, and the state of California would be a huge get. This also would mitigate some travel issues a bit as these four programs could form a pod within the conference to try to lessen some of the travel issues. They could always combine this with a Big 12 addition and be the first mega-conference. For instance if they add Kansas and West Virginia as well, then they'd be at 20 schools.
Ironically a move like that doesn't really hurt the Big 12 much, it would just finish off the Pac-12. The Big 12 could basically replace their two losses with Arizona State and Utah and just move further west, meanwhile the Pac-12 would be left with 2 programs and just dissolve.
I'm not sure what will happen here, it could end with Arizona to the Big 12, for now at least. But, now is the time for the ACC and Big 12 to make their moves...
The big news at the moment is Colorado to the Big 12. The real news is that this means the Pac-12 is in major trouble and more moves are very likely to happen. The rest is mostly speculation based on what at this point in time is primarily information posted on social media.
Big 10:
Their addition of USC and UCLA got this ball rolling, but apparently they couldn't find a way to make revenue sharing work with more additions from the west coast. So, Oregon and Washington are in limbo waiting for an invite that does not seem to be imminent. They are likely waiting on the grant of rights deal to get closer to expiring to make a move on more attractive ACC schools.
Pac-12:
They were trying to thread a needle and failed. Reportedly asking for a laughable 50 million per school deal, they are now apparently presenting a 20 million per school deal to the remaining members. What they were trying to do made some sense, if they kept every school in line and did not dilute themselves with any weak additions, they might have been able to swing a bigger deal. But, Colorado got tired of the process and went for a sure thing. Now there is blood in the water and there is no way they can get a deal that keeps them competitive with the other power conferences. In theory their path forward would have been try to get a good deal and then they might have even been able to poach a couple Big 12 schools (Texas Tech and Kansas for example) but now it's all about survival (or they could dissolve).
Big 12:
They have completely flipped things on the Pac-12, a conference which nearly ended the Big 12 in the past. Now, the question isn't really if they add more Pac-12 schools but how many. Arizona seems like a done deal (they want to get to 14 schools) and reportedly Arizona isn't even talking to the Pac-12 right now. However, neither is Utah. Geographically, Arizona, Arizona St., and Utah all make sense but Arizona is the big prize there. Realistically though there aren't many Pac-12 schools the Big 12 wouldn't take. The Big 12 has 5 schools now that were not in power conferences, so almost any Power 5 addition would be an upgrade (they have a TV contract which stipulates that, giving a full share to up to 4 Power 5 additions no matter who they are). So one more school seems like a sure thing, but a bigger question might be if they try to go beyond four.
ACC:
They seem to be looking at expansion as well, and it does make sense from their perspective. If they can get big enough, the SEC and Big 10 can't really destroy them (they are on the clock though with their grant of rights deal so the longer they wait the weaker they might be), so making a move that not only solidified their position as the third best conference, but also increases their numbers seems best for their long term survival. However, I'm not sure how that might influence their current deals.
They have a couple moves they could make here. One would be a more geographically sound move to pick off a couple Big 12 schools. For instance, West Virginia (a very good geographical fit and natural rival for Pitt) and Kansas (a very good revenue earner and natural fit with their basketball schools). I'm also not sure how restrictive the current Big 12 extended deal which comes in at 31.7 million per schools is. The other move is swing big with Oregon and Washington, two schools that would in theory increase their revenue (12 million population in those two states, and as long as Phil Knight is around Oregon athletics will be competitive), but also a bad fit geographically.
One thing the ACC could try to do here is add Oregon, Washington, Cal, and Stanford. Stanford has an excellent athletic department, and the state of California would be a huge get. This also would mitigate some travel issues a bit as these four programs could form a pod within the conference to try to lessen some of the travel issues. They could always combine this with a Big 12 addition and be the first mega-conference. For instance if they add Kansas and West Virginia as well, then they'd be at 20 schools.
Ironically a move like that doesn't really hurt the Big 12 much, it would just finish off the Pac-12. The Big 12 could basically replace their two losses with Arizona State and Utah and just move further west, meanwhile the Pac-12 would be left with 2 programs and just dissolve.
I'm not sure what will happen here, it could end with Arizona to the Big 12, for now at least. But, now is the time for the ACC and Big 12 to make their moves...
As bizarre as USC/UCLA are in the Big Ten, I think UW/Oregon in the ACC is even more bizarre. There is simply no way they can keep the name "Atlantic Coast Conference" if they add two or four teams which are literally on the Pacific Coast. It's one thing to have midwestern teams like Notre Dame in your conference, but this would be in a completely different universe of absurdity.
Which means they would totally keep the name. Branding, after all.
Which means they would totally keep the name. Branding, after all.
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