ACC and PAC 12 Demise seems close (FSU officially stating intentions to fight ACC Grant of Rights… Clemson sues the ACC)

[KrAzY3]

As bizarre as USC/UCLA are in the Big Ten, I think UW/Oregon in the ACC is even more bizarre. There is simply no way they can keep the name "Atlantic Coast Conference" if they add two or four teams which are literally on the Pacific Coast. It's one thing to have midwestern teams like Notre Dame in your conference, but this would be in a completely different universe of absurdity.

Which means they would totally keep the name. Branding, after all.

Too bad there is already a Coast Conference. If they added 4 west coast schools they could go for that name otherwise, but yes it's bizarre but if no one else is going to snatch up Oregon and Washington the ACC would be better off doing it than not, I suppose.

 

[Padreruf]

Pac 9 meeting is going on as we speak...word is that the best they can do is 20 million per team...Big 12 is opening their arms as the Big 10+ is hem-hawing around. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah are all seriously looking at the Big 12.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Pac 9 meeting is going on as we speak...word is that the best they can do is 20 million per team...Big 12 is opening their arms as the Big 10+ is hem-hawing around. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah are all seriously looking at the Big 12.

I think the Big Ten wants Notre Dame and other ACC schools and Oregon/Washington are in serious jeopardy of being left hung out to dry.

It seems ACC decisions won't be made until their grant of rights deal is resolved in some way, and I don't think Notre Dame is going to move until they are absolutely forced to, which wouldn't happen until several schools bolt from the ACC.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

As bizarre as USC/UCLA are in the Big Ten, I think UW/Oregon in the ACC is even more bizarre. There is simply no way they can keep the name "Atlantic Coast Conference" if they add two or four teams which are literally on the Pacific Coast. It's one thing to have midwestern teams like Notre Dame in your conference, but this would be in a completely different universe of absurdity.

Which means they would totally keep the name. Branding, after all.

We have texas schools, Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma in the Southeastern Conference. If you think those are Southeastern you failed geography.

 

[BhamToTexas]

And while there are degenerates who will watch college football until 2 AM on a Sunday morning, most of us aren't going to.

Whoa...who are you calling a degenerate??

Does it count if I am just asleep on my back patio couch while that game is on?

 

[TideEngineer08]

We have texas schools, Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma in the Southeastern Conference. If you think those are Southeastern you failed geography.

Can't argue there, even if I do see at least Arkansas as southeastern. I see Texas as southern, specifically southwestern, but still.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Can't argue there, even if I do see at least Arkansas as southeastern. I see Texas as southern, specifically southwestern, but still.

one could argue that Kentucky isn't really Southeastern, but they are a founding member, so they get a pass

 

[Crimson1967]

We have texas schools, Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma in the Southeastern Conference. If you think those are Southeastern you failed geography.

I agree, especially if you consider the TX schools and Arkansas were once in the Southwest Conference.

That being said, them joining the SEC isn’t a huge stretch as they at least border the “old” SEC. Two schools that in states that border the Pacific Ocean joining the ATLANTIC Coast Conference is another level of bizarre.

 

[mdb-tpet]

We have texas schools, Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma in the Southeastern Conference. If you think those are Southeastern you failed geography.

And also explain without laughing how the central US states and up to the north are somehow "Midwestern" states in any geographical way except a name. When Texas is Southwest, but the states above it are Midwest, well, we have some special geography going on.

Midwestern United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TideEngineer08]

one could argue that Kentucky isn't really Southeastern, but they are a founding member, so they get a pass

Hang on. If Kentucky is not southeastern, what are they? I mean there is geographical but then there is cultural to consider.

I mean, the moonshine alone has to grandfather them in somehow.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

As bizarre as USC/UCLA are in the Big Ten, I think UW/Oregon in the ACC is even more bizarre. There is simply no way they can keep the name "Atlantic Coast Conference" if they add two or four teams which are literally on the Pacific Coast. It's one thing to have midwestern teams like Notre Dame in your conference, but this would be in a completely different universe of absurdity.

Which means they would totally keep the name. Branding, after all.

Good thing Southwest Airlines stuck to its geographical roots huh?

The difference, of course, is that until recently the SWA brand was powerful (disclosure - I worked there from 1989 to 2011, though I'm neither a rabid alum nor a disgruntled ex). The SEC brand stands for something -- primarily though not solely football dominance, but that's more than other conferences can say except for the B1G, whose brand is tied less to sports than to academic integrity (whether real or perceived, but a brand, after all, is in large part perception).

I'd argue (who, me?):

• The SEC could take any number of schools from anywhere and not have to rebrand; likewise the B1G.
• All the other conferences have brand problems that have little to do with any dissonance between their names and their geographies or number or members.

 

[SkullDuckery]

There was a guy named Dave ? that did the broadcast.

Dave & Dave

 

[CoolBreeze]

According to this, Missouri must be kicked out since they are north of the mason dixon -

 

[Crimson1967]

According to this, Missouri must be kicked out since they are north of the mason dixon -
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The Mason-Dixon Line is the MD/PA border, which puts Missouri below it.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Hang on. If Kentucky is not southeastern, what are they? I mean there is geographical but then there is cultural to consider.

I mean, the moonshine alone has to grandfather them in somehow.

you haven't lived until you have had apple pie

 

[cjhadley]

Pac-12 media deal: Commish presents Apple offer with no agreement reached by conference leaders

Another meeting is expected soon, but the situation is tenuous in the Pac-12

www.cbssports.com

Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff presented details for a potential media rights deal to leaders from member institutions at a meeting on Tuesday, though ultimately no agreement was reached, according to multiple reports. Another meeting is planned soon with both sides remaining hopeful a deal can be reached. According to ESPN, the proposed deal was streaming-centric through Apple which would incentivize tiers with an upside if certain subscription numbers are met.

I don't think this is going to hold the conference together.

 

[KrAzY3]

Pac-12 media deal: Commish presents Apple offer with no agreement reached by conference leaders

Another meeting is expected soon, but the situation is tenuous in the Pac-12

www.cbssports.com

I don't think this is going to hold the conference together.

I don't either.

The only thing that can hold the conference together in my opinion is if other conferences simply don't want the schools.

If I'm Oregon and Washington I am on the phone with the ACC right now. If I'm Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah I am calling the Big 12. If I'm any of the remaining schools I am trying to figure out who to call.

 

[cjhadley]

I don't either.

The only thing that can hold the conference together in my opinion is if other conferences simply don't want the schools.

If I'm Oregon and Washington I am on the phone with the ACC right now. If I'm Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah I am calling the Big 12. If I'm any of the remaining schools I am trying to figure out who to call.

Stewart Mandel said on Twitter that Larry Scott originally sold the PAC 12 network to the schools by saying all of this revenue would come in based on subscription projections and that never happened. He said that he doesn't see the schools willing to take that chance again and I agree with him.

 

[KrAzY3]

Apparently the Pac-12 deal on the table is with Apple+ as the primary partner.

That seems like such a great way to finish off the conference. There are only 25 million paid subscribers (more via promotions but those are short term) to Apple+ so they won't just be making a lot less money, even less will be watching them play than before. So, yeah...

 

[lowend]

The Mason-Dixon Line is the MD/PA border, which puts Missouri below it.

I think the Missouri Compromise and the Ozarks gives Mizzou enough cultural cache' to fit right in with us. We can also look at how jazz traveled up the Mississippi to St. Louis if they need bonus points.