ACC and PAC 12 Demise seems close (FSU officially stating intentions to fight ACC Grant of Rights… Clemson sues the ACC)

[JDCrimson]

The only way I see the ACC making it work is taking the 6 Pac teams - UW, WaSt, UO, OSU, California, and Stanford. 3 Pac teams play a home football schedule each weekend at 11am PST (2pm EST), 230pm PST (530pm EST), 6pm PST (9pm EST). 3 ACC teams play an away schedule on the time schedule. When the PAC teams play one another they play at the home time schedule.

Arizona, ASU, and Utah join the Big 12. Nobody from the east coast will he watching those games anyway.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Or the ACC grabs the remaining 6 Pac. Form East/West divisions. Play cross division in place of OOC games. Have a rotating conference championship game.

do the same in the other sports. Travel cross country only for OOC game windows.

add San Diego State, UNLV, Wyoming, and Gonzaga just in Hoops.

9 teams out West play rotating Conference schedule. 3 OOC vs East teams. One true OOC vs whoever.

the East can now lose Miami, FSU, Clemson, Va Tech, UNC and UVA and survive with two 9 team divisions.

 

[Crimson1967]

If the PAC dies, what happens to the Rose Bowl if there is no one to play the Big Ten champ? Hopefully the CFP tells them to line up and join the rotation with every other bowl for a playoff spot. If some arrogant fool has a heart attack because it is played at 11:00 AM on December 30 then so be it.

The Grandaddy of them all getting knocked off its peak for once may be the best part of realignment.

 

[BamaNation]

My (not so) humble take on how this really should play out…

Big 12, sec, big 10/11/14 should leave ncaa and only play each other. Maybe acc too if they humbly beg. Leave pac12 to rot. Form 4 conferences of 16 teams each. Round robin 9 games in conf + 2 ooc. Top 2 in each play for conf champ. Top 4 in each get to playoffs. Conf chMp game winners are seeded #1-4 so winning game matters. What could be better?

 

[mdb-tpet]

I could see the ACC pulling more teams from the old Big East to align more with basketball. They might even go after Kentucky. Wouldn't that be a coup?

 

[KrAzY3]

I could see the ACC pulling more teams from the old Big East to align more with basketball. They might even go after Kentucky. Wouldn't that be a coup?

No one is taking SEC schools or Big 10 schools unless for some odd reason they move to the Big 10 or SEC respectively. The financial gap is too enormous.

Right now it's the Big 10 and SEC well ahead, then the ACC, Big 12 is hanging in there with fairly friendly deal considering they don't have much left of value, and Pac-12 is stuck with the worst deal on the table (by far) that could end up so bad they are making nearly half of the next conference ahead of them.

Any move by the ACC in my opinion is just about survival and they are not going to be attractive to anyone that's not interested in the same thing. One of the latest reports I saw indicated the ACC was cooling on Oregon and Washington due to the fact that it might hurt the financial numbers. The problem with that is that they might not survive long term if they don't find additions somewhere, and right now that's only Big 12 or Pac-12.

There is one path to sort out the mess somewhat, and that's if they start to form conferences around revenue sport only (men's basketball and football) or perhaps football only. This could clear up some logistical hurdles. The deals are not structured for that though, but it's possible that this is the long term solution. We could see regional conferences to compete in other sports and then the mega-conferences for football may be a couple other major sports.

 

[cjhadley]

According to Nicole Auerbach there is already talk of the BIG 10 adding Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington. If Notre Dame doesn't wake up and realize that things have changed they are going to end up being left out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686799577603600387

 

[KrAzY3]

According to Nicole Auerbach there is already talk of the BIG 10 adding Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington. If Notre Dame doesn't wake up and realize that things have changed they are going to end up being left out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686799577603600387

Notre Dame will be alright, they are always going to have a seat when they want one and worst case they are in the third best conference, which they are unorthodox enough that they might want. Automatic bids to the stupid playoff, remember?

The crazy thing is that the Big 10 is supposed to be considering those four while reportedly the ACC is too dumb to consider those four. The ACC should have tried to do that a while ago, ironically if the Big 10 is thinking about it, it might already be too late (an interesting wrinkle is that UCLA has to pay Cal money in perpetuity now but joining the Big 10 should end that).

I kind of want the Big 10 to make the move though, I think it could up the odds that the SEC could get a real prize like North Carolina or the aforementioned Notre Dame. The ACC not strengthening themselves right now and the Big 10 possibly diluting their profits a bit could make a big SEC move a bit more possible.

 

[Joefus]

Notre Dame couldn’t join the big ten if they wanted to. Which they absolutely do not and have never wanted to do. They are contractually obligated to join the acc if they do join a conference. They are the acc’s unofficial 15th member. The problem with the acc adding schools is espn will not renegotiate the contract no matter who they add so they just make a bad problem worse by adding teams. Also who wants to join a conference with unequal revenue sharing and half the teams desperately exploring a way to exit. Also with the big ten adding more west coast schools there’s decidedly less of a chance the bottom 2/3 of the conference would have a major conference to go to which makes getting 7 teams to agree to dissolve the conference near impossible as a crummy acc is light years better than aac conference. The acc’s only real option is to play the long game and plan for when the tv deal is up.

 

[GP for Bama]

The SEC is so very tough to win now... not just in football, but every sport. Why make it harder by adding teams?
However, if TV money is going to rule...then adding some combination of North Carolina, Virginia , Virginia Tech, North Carolina State and Duke will increase the TV markets the most.
I really don,t think Duke would add much , especially with Coach K gone.
I don't really see how Clemson or FSU really adds much to a TV market.

 

[cjhadley]

Notre Dame will be alright, they are always going to have a seat when they want one and worst case they are in the third best conference, which they are unorthodox enough that they might want. Automatic bids to the stupid playoff, remember?

The crazy thing is that the Big 10 is supposed to be considering those four while reportedly the ACC is too dumb to consider those four. The ACC should have tried to do that a while ago, ironically if the Big 10 is thinking about it, it might already be too late (an interesting wrinkle is that UCLA has to pay Cal money in perpetuity now but joining the Big 10 should end that).

I kind of want the Big 10 to make the move though, I think it could up the odds that the SEC could get a real prize like North Carolina or the aforementioned Notre Dame. The ACC not strengthening themselves right now and the Big 10 possibly diluting their profits a bit could make a big SEC move a bit more possible.

I agree that Notre Dame will always have a seat, but I was looking more at there bargaining chips will diminish as expansion settles down. There is only a few more moves to be made before it is all over and if Notre Dame waits to long they might have to settle for what is offered to them instead of being in a power position.

Add on top of that what just came out from Florida States President and the ACC might start becoming more unstable and that would push Notre Dame to have to make a decision now.

FSU's president just said, "I believe that FSU at some point will have to very seriously consider leaving the ACC unless there is a radical change to the ACC's revenue distribution."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686826736707829760

 

[Joefus]

I agree that Notre Dame will always have a seat, but I was looking more at there bargaining chips will diminish as expansion settles down. There is only a few more moves to be made before it is all over and if Notre Dame waits to long they might have to settle for what is offered to them instead of being in a power position.

Add on top of that what just came out from Florida States President and the ACC might start becoming more unstable and that would push Notre Dame to have to make a decision now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686826736707829760

Nd has no decision to make. They either help dissolve the acc or do nothing. They are already tethered to the acc

 

[crimsonaudio]

Notre Dame couldn’t join the big ten if they wanted to.

Contracts are made to be negotiated.

That said, ND makes something like $15m/year with their NBC contract - pennies on the dollar compared to what they would make in a conference - so unless / until they are threatened with being left out of the playoffs they'll likely stay independent.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I agree that Notre Dame will always have a seat, but I was looking more at there bargaining chips will diminish as expansion settles down. There is only a few more moves to be made before it is all over and if Notre Dame waits to long they might have to settle for what is offered to them instead of being in a power position.

Add on top of that what just came out from Florida States President and the ACC might start becoming more unstable and that would push Notre Dame to have to make a decision now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686826736707829760

Greed is ruining sports.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Notre Dame couldn’t join the big ten if they wanted to. Which they absolutely do not and have never wanted to do. They are contractually obligated to join the acc if they do join a conference. They are the acc’s unofficial 15th member. The problem with the acc adding schools is espn will not renegotiate the contract no matter who they add so they just make a bad problem worse by adding teams. Also who wants to join a conference with unequal revenue sharing and half the teams desperately exploring a way to exit. Also with the big ten adding more west coast schools there’s decidedly less of a chance the bottom 2/3 of the conference would have a major conference to go to which makes getting 7 teams to agree to dissolve the conference near impossible as a crummy acc is light years better than aac conference. The acc’s only real option is to play the long game and plan for when the tv deal is up.

Perhaps you know better, but what I remember is that Notre Dame's contractual obligations to the Grant of Rights were not the same as the rest of the full fledged ACC members. In other words, it will not be difficult at all for Notre Dame to leave, should it desire to.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Greed is ruining sports.

I'm afraid it's past tense at this point.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I agree that Notre Dame will always have a seat, but I was looking more at there bargaining chips will diminish as expansion settles down. There is only a few more moves to be made before it is all over and if Notre Dame waits to long they might have to settle for what is offered to them instead of being in a power position.

Add on top of that what just came out from Florida States President and the ACC might start becoming more unstable and that would push Notre Dame to have to make a decision now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686826736707829760

also, the SEC shares revenue evenly so they will not like it in the SEC either.

 

[81usaf92]

Contracts are made to be negotiated.

That said, ND makes something like $15m/year with their NBC contract - pennies on the dollar compared to what they would make in a conference - so unless / until they are threatened with being left out of the playoffs they'll likely stay independent.

its why the ACC is hoping Stanford doesn’t jump ship to the B1G.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

From what I got from the FSU BOT meeting (I'm an alumnus), the Grant of Rights will not be a factor in determining the decision by FSU. It seems to be a "when" and not "if" question of leaving the ACC.

BOT member Sasser said: " We're at a $30 million a year shortfall against the SEC. We are in a bad deal for 13 years. We have to get out of that deal. The other universities ought to be thinking the same thing."

 

[TideEngineer08]

From what I got from the FSU BOT meeting (I'm an alumnus), the Grant of Rights will not be a factor in determining the decision by FSU. It seems to be a "when" and not "if" question of leaving the ACC.

BOT member Sasser said: " We're at a $30 million a year shortfall against the SEC. We are in a bad deal for 13 years. We have to get out of that deal. The other universities ought to be thinking the same thing."

I'd rather them join the SEC than the Big Ten. I'd like to keep the Big Ten out of the southeast (is Florida considered in the southeast? )