JessN: Auburn wrap-up: A loss of systemic proportions

rgw

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Oh, I agree, which is why I disagree with his entire write-up, because that is the only solution to the problem that he sees. I just see a different problem.

I am done talking about this. You guys are too upset if you think that Saban is your problem.
Saban may or may not be the problem but we all agree he's the one in charge of fixing it.


I'm a broken record tonight but this loss was unforgivable and embarrassing. I'll tip my hat to get getting torched by Clemson or LSU. Auburn ain't those teams. In fact, their good part of the team got torched by us. They should've lost save massive incompetence that exacerbated known weaknesses on our team.
 

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I liken this transition to after the 2013 season. Saban adjusted with personnel changes when I was apparent big DLs and LBs were a thing of the past. Shane Lee is a perfect fit for the pre-2013 defense. Not so much now. But, will he now do so with scheme? With today’s modern offenses you’re going to be in nickle most of the game. Don’t know that I think recruiting is necessarily the problem. But, understanding and executing scheme is. I said in the post-game I don’t even think Golding knows how to implement it successfully. It’s shown in our play calling and lack of adjustments.


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I would really like to CNS go after a quality experienced DC, Muschamp, Strong type. Hell even call Chizik. I would do it simply because guys of that experience level would create an “iron sharpens iron” scenario. Someone who could not necessarily challenge CNS but be a braintrust to help right the ship. I just don’t think Golding has anything close to the experience needed to reshape a defensive philosophy as we’re discussing.
 

NationalTitles18

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Oh, I agree, which is why I disagree with his entire write-up, because that is the only solution to the problem that he sees. I just see a different problem.

I am done talking about this. You guys are too upset if you think that Saban is your problem.
Maybe you need to step back and reconsider. No one is saying what you are saying they are saying. Take some time and think about it. You are the one emotionally overreacting here.
 

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Listening to Sabans PC though, sounded like it was just guys not doing their assignments.
I'm definitely not the X and O guys that many on here are, but I've never seen so many missed assignments in one game in the last 10 years. There were several each series, and I'm sure some of you more astute fans saw even more than I did.

. It’s shown in our play calling and lack of adjustments.
With so many missed assignments, I don't know how you can tell.
 
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FWIW, Bama is 0-7 now against AU in Jordan Hare when both teams are ranked. Saban only has a bit more than half of those.

The 2019 team started young and got younger as the season wore on. Look at the depth chart you estimated before this game. Count the number of seniors and redshirt juniors on either side of the ball. Ain't many...

The lack of discipline that characterized this year's team is a direct result of youth, inexperience and the impatience that comes with... youth and inexperience. What would the record have been if South Carolina, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Tennessee and Mississippi State had been half decent? What if Alabama had faced Auburn's schedule in 2019? The fact that Bama went 10-2 with this bunch of young, brash, talented, inexperienced and impatient teenagers and young adults is a testament to the Process.

"It ain't about the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmys and the Joes."

The 3-4 Over Under is a flexible scheme. So is Chavis' old school 4-3. The downfall of either is that all it takes is at least one guy being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The most likely to be "that guy" is the youngster who's never seen Jordan Hare at it's worst and is scared to death.

Bama has at least two dozen youngsters coming back next year. A year older and a year better.

Cheer up. Bama will be just fine in 2020.
 

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I won't dispute anything you wrote - all true. But it is hard to write deep insightful analysis within an hour of a heartfelt loss. I would be interested to know if you feel any different in a few days.

There were many similarities with the LSU game - gifted touchdowns, way too many penalties, plus the usual Barn hoodooo.

Injuries matter. Saban said many times, for instance, that it's not that the LBs are young, it's that they have no one in front of them at practice to show them how to do it, no one setting a standard. Not that lack of discipline is especially an LB problem, it is a team problem. We don't have enforcers like Fluker or Allen who threatened players with "don't lose me my ring".

Saban's system is complex. Maybe injuries matter more in this system than in others. Many on this forum have said the game is changing, you can't build a wall any more, you need to bend-not-break and look for takeaways and disruptive plays. Saban's mush rush tells you all you need to know about lack of emphasis on disruption - build a wall, contain the LOS, DBs on islands.

This is "World War One" trench warfare and it does not work as well as it used to. We are moving into World War Two blitzkrieg fast moving offense. The new way may be the "Russian defense" - a fighting retreat. Give up lots of yards, but sometimes blow up a play, get a tackle for loss, tackle for a fumble, get a sack, a deflection. Don't worry about losing territory, your guys will win it all back.

I am concerned about what this New Model Defense looks like. But we have a great coach. He will introspect, he will make good decisions. There is not a single program out there - no, not one - who would not fire their guy and replace him with Saban if they could. That is good enough for me.
 

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Maybe you need to step back and reconsider. No one is saying what you are saying they are saying. Take some time and think about it. You are the one emotionally overreacting here.
Fair enough - then it is just a rant. There are solutions that do not involve changing any of Saban's core philosophies. 2017 proves that.
 

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Oh, I agree, which is why I disagree with his entire write-up, because that is the only solution to the problem that he sees. I just see a different problem.

I am done talking about this. You guys are too upset if you think that Saban is your problem.
So, what is your solution to us getting torched on defense in big games?
 

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I think there is a problem with the defense. It seems easy to read and seems to not be able to avoid unfavorable matchups. Shy Carter and Shane Lee were ask to do things that aren't their strengths. The corners are ask to do alot from islands that everyone knows they ar on. I think we can disguise what we are doing with more pre-snap movement or mutliple fronts and coverages. Maybe protect players by making there pre-snap positioning less predictable. Spit balling ideas.
 

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Golding was a bust. I hate that we're going to be making another coordinator change - if I think what should happen comes to fruition - but it was failed experiment. I don't even think demotion to ILB coach is the solution because he was not getting production from there with two experienced ILBs last year. He needs to go somewhere else and grow his career. Alabama on-field staff ain't that place.
 

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So, what is your solution to us getting torched on defense in big games?
I didn't think it was just big games. The defense played poorly the whole season.

Even without an upperclassman to show the way, I eventually expected to see good ILB play by the end of the season. It just never happened.
 

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Golding was a bust. I hate that we're going to be making another coordinator change - if I think what should happen comes to fruition - but it was failed experiment. I don't even think demotion to ILB coach is the solution because he was not getting production from there with two experienced ILBs last year. He needs to go somewhere else and grow his career. Alabama on-field staff ain't that place.
Agreed. His predecessor, Jeremy Pruitt, was probably the best at implementing Saban’s system, especially on the fly. If we had this year’s and last year’s O with his D coaching, I think the narrative is different. Is there a guy out there like this? Muschamp comes to mind, perhaps. But I don’t see him getting canned @ USC this year.


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Agreed. His predecessor, Jeremy Pruitt, was probably the best at implementing Saban’s system, especially on the fly. If we had this year’s and last year’s O with his D coaching, I think the narrative is different. Is there a guy out there like this? Muschamp comes to mind, perhaps. But I don’t see him getting canned @ USC this year.


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Schiano - Belichick wanted him for a reason.
 

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Our d line looks sluggish and we’re missing those guys that can get to the QB seemingly at will a la Tim Williams. I do think the entitlement kids these days seem to have hurts too. Especially now with the transfer portal. That 3-4 over/under defense was built to stop the run heavy attacks of yesteryear. Something has to be done. Not my place to figure out what, but something needs to change.
 

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I am not sure it is Saban system but I don't think the system is being executed the way it used to be. The down linemen used to eat up the blockers and the LBs made the tackles. We had containment on the edges to turn everything inside and the LB took them down. Discipline seems less than it use to be on containment. We haven't had a McClain, CJ Mosley, Ruben Foster or even Reggie Ragland in the last few years. Even our current freshmen LBs don't seem to have the speed to cover the ground the ones before them could. We used to get up the 50-50 passes a lot down the field, now we seem to just get PI call on those same passes. I am a big Saban fan but I do think something is a little off in the D the last couple of years. Don't know if it is coaches or missing a few key players or a lack of discipline. We used to win more with a lot less Offense than we have now.
 

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