Bama vs. UF Postgame Thread...

What coaching is CAG doing? Look at the stats, JG, TM, TR all down from last season. I just expect players to get better one year to the next. We are in year 3 of the CAG experiment and it is about the same as the Mike Shula, David Hobbs and Mike Dubose experiments, not much to ride home about.

And it is still better than year 3 of your boy Mark Gottfried's. I want you to do me 1 favor. Go look at Scott Drew's coaching record at Baylor and see just how long it took him to turn things around. In 8 years he has been to 2 NCAA tournaments and 1 NIT. In 5 seasons as head coach Grant has been to 2 NCAA's and 2 NIT's. Drew's Big 12 coaching record at Baylor is (03-04)3-13, (04-05)1-15, (05-06)4-12, (06-07)4-12, (07-08)9-7, (08-09)5-11, (09-10)11-5, (10-11)7-9. Baylor didn't make the NCAA or the NIT last year. That's the coach you want?
 
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The fact that we're even addressing this issue is absurd and is a tell to this boards overall inexperience in basketball. Anthony Grant is not and should not be on any sort of notice with anyone. He's not on a "hot seat", nor should he be in a seat that he is even luke-warm. This program has taken strides and even bounds in the short time that he has been here. The level of success has risen, the expectations have risen, on-campus interest has risen, so on and so forth. To complain that Anthony Grant "has no control over the team" is a joke in and of itself. He's just recently suspended four starters, two of which happen to be our most talented players and still remain suspended. If you ask me, he's taking control. People expect him to field a team - without his two best players - full of underclassmen, and then compete with top-ranked teams. He did that tonight. We lost by 9 points to the #12 team in the country. This is an acceptable, if not expected result. This team is not capable of winning a national championship, so think with a level head for a moment. The program has been in disarray over the last few days. It will improve, as will the product on the court. Anthony Grant should and does have the support of the athletic department.

Couldn't agree more. Very well said and I'm glad CAG has the 100% support from the people that matter. Very important and he's going to get the job done.
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Exactly. Don't know what people expect from Coach Grant when two of the premiere players on our team have essentially thrown in the towel.

The expectation is for Coach to motivate these players to the point that they don't throw in the towel. I hear that Coach can't hold their hand, but for around a mill per year, I would keep a very close eye on two kids who could keep me in that kind of money.
 
What coaching is CAG doing? Look at the stats, JG, TM, TR all down from last season. I just expect players to get better one year to the next. We are in year 3 of the CAG experiment and it is about the same as the Mike Shula, David Hobbs and Mike Dubose experiments, not much to ride home about.

When JG is not on the floor, stats for TM and TR take a hit. When JG and TM are not on the floor, TR stats take an even bigger hit. With all of the games missed by these guys, their production has only one way to go. Look at this another way, if those same players do the things CAG asks of them, plays within the framework he has established for the team, last year's stats are an example of how productive they can be. The difference seems to be with them, not CAG.
 
When JG is not on the floor, stats for TM and TR take a hit. When JG and TM are not on the floor, TR stats take an even bigger hit. With all of the games missed by these guys, their production has only one way to go. Look at this another way, if those same players do the things CAG asks of them, plays within the framework he has established for the team, last year's stats are an example of how productive they can be. The difference seems to be with them, not CAG.

The guy you are responding to does not care about facts apparently
 
Gee, another outsider telling us what needs to be done with our program. His time would be better spent asking why his UConn program had to be called on the carpet by the NCAA for not being able to play within the rules.

Do any of your seriously think Coach Grant wants our program to be in this situation? Do you think he is not embarressed? Good grief. This isn't something he created, but it is something with which he must contend and he has to deal with it with an eye toward future seasons. As has been well established, this is a case of kids, no make that young adults, that know the difference between right and wrong choosing the latter without regard for their teammates, coaches, or familly. We generally call that being selfish. If Coach Grant is guilty of anything here, it is of giving a kid one too many second chances. Coach Bryant never could seem to get through to Linnie Patrick, just saying... not comparing.

And for those making comparisons to Gottfried, wow, how soon they forget. Our offense may not be much better but at least now there is ball movement, and player without the ball movement. CMG was fortunate enough to occasionally have a decent perimeter shooter, something that would be a big assist to this group. Here are two things that are light years better: defense and hustle. Under CMG, defense was something our kids did until they got the ball back, normally after the other team had scored. An opponent might well beat a CAG team, but seldom will it be from a lack of effort on his team's part. I shudder to think of returning to the days and ways of CMG.

Here are a few numbers to look at. In his last 3 years here, CMG was 55-42 (19-29 SEC), which was also his record for his first 3 years (20-28 SEC). His teams missed the "dance" in all 6 of those seasons. CAG is in his 3rd year, his record is 58-36 (23-20 SEC and a West championship), with at least 6 games still to play. That may not qualify as substantial progress, but I like the direction it's headed.

That's my .02, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it, lol.

But he went to the Eilite 8. :) It's no fun to use logic when you rant on message boards. I could have sworn a month ago these same fans were screaming bench Mitchell and Green. Who care if we lose without them as long as the others play hard.
 
The expectation is for Coach to motivate these players to the point that they don't throw in the towel. I hear that Coach can't hold their hand, but for around a mill per year, I would keep a very close eye on two kids who could keep me in that kind of money.

With the talent and ablity of those two, if the prospect of signing multi-million dollar contracts can't keep them motivated, what chance does CAG have?
 
And it is still better than year 3 your boy Mark Gottfried's. I want you to do me 1 favor. Go look at Scott Drew's coaching record at Baylor and see just how long it took him to turn things around. In 8 years he has been to 2 NCAA tournaments and 1 NIT. In 5 seasons as head coach Grant has been to 2 NCAA's and 2 NIT's. Drew's Big 12 coaching record at Baylor is (03-04)3-13, (04-05)1-15, (05-06)4-12, (06-07)4-12, (07-08)9-7, (08-09)5-11, (09-10)11-5, (10-11)7-9. Baylor didn't make the NCAA or the NIT last year. That's the coach you want?

Not that this means anything, but it's a bit funny: I have a friend who goes to Baylor, I told him about this thread and he actually laughed on the phone. He says they should have to pay us to take their coach. He's apparently not very well liked there.
 
And it is still better than year 3 your boy Mark Gottfried's. I want you to do me 1 favor. Go look at Scott Drew's coaching record at Baylor and see just how long it took him to turn things around. In 8 years he has been to 2 NCAA tournaments and 1 NIT. In 5 seasons as head coach Grant has been to 2 NCAA's and 2 NIT's. Drew's Big 12 coaching record at Baylor is (03-04)3-13, (04-05)1-15, (05-06)4-12, (06-07)4-12, (07-08)9-7, (08-09)5-11, (09-10)11-5, (10-11)7-9. Baylor didn't make the NCAA or the NIT last year. That's the coach you want?
Scott Drew sure knows how to recruit. If Grant had the kids coming in next year that Drew has, he would have no worries.
 
With the talent and ablity of those two, if the prospect of signing multi-million dollar contracts can't keep them motivated, what chance does CAG have?
This is what he does for a living. He better have a good chance at it.
 
And it is still better than year 3 of your boy Mark Gottfried's. I want you to do me 1 favor. Go look at Scott Drew's coaching record at Baylor and see just how long it took him to turn things around. In 8 years he has been to 2 NCAA tournaments and 1 NIT. In 5 seasons as head coach Grant has been to 2 NCAA's and 2 NIT's. Drew's Big 12 coaching record at Baylor is (03-04)3-13, (04-05)1-15, (05-06)4-12, (06-07)4-12, (07-08)9-7, (08-09)5-11, (09-10)11-5, (10-11)7-9. Baylor didn't make the NCAA or the NIT last year. That's the coach you want?

Look at what Drew faced, his first team with basically no scholarship players. Probation through 2010. No post season play allowed 1st 2 years, conference only games in 2005-06. He has his team on pace to be a top 3 or 4 seed this year. (maybe even a 2 if he wins the Big 12)
 
Scott Drew sure knows how to recruit. If Grant had the kids coming in next year that Drew has, he would have no worries.


He can and all of them except Gathers are from Texas. I know we only have 1, maybe 2 schollys to offer this year. Alabama doesn't have a lot of top talent coming out in 2012. The guys we lost either stayed in their home state or went to a basketball school where the fans showed every night and they had midnight madness, but that another conversation.
 
He can and all of them except Gathers are from Texas. I know we only have 1, maybe 2 schollys to offer this year. Alabama doesn't have a lot of top talent coming out in 2012. The guys we lost either stayed in their home state or went to a basketball school where the fans showed every night and they had midnight madness, but that another conversation.

But the point is Baylor is not a basketball school. He out recruited UT, aTm, KU, for his class. Alabama has a hell of a lot more basketball history than Baylor. Why can't we out recruit Baylor?
 
But the point is Baylor is not a basketball school. He out recruited UT, aTm, KU, for his class. Alabama has a hell of a lot more basketball history than Baylor. Why can't we out recruit Baylor?

Have some questions about Baylor recruiting sucess, myself
 
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But he went to the Eilite 8. :) It's no fun to use logic when you rant on message boards. I could have sworn a month ago these same fans were screaming bench Mitchell and Green. Who care if we lose without them as long as the others play hard.

Yeah, I know all about arguing with idiots, they only drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.:wink: There is no escaping he made it to the elite 8, it became more of an albatross than a defining moment. By the same token, he was a missed 6 footer in the lane by the S. Illinois PG from being bounced in the first round, again. Fate is such a fickle thing.

I've got no grief over Mitchell and Green sitting. Principle transcends winning and losing, and I hate losing.
 
Look at what Drew faced, his first team with basically no scholarship players. Probation through 2010. No post season play allowed 1st 2 years, conference only games in 2005-06. He has his team on pace to be a top 3 or 4 seed this year. (maybe even a 2 if he wins the Big 12)

And if given 9 years and multiple recruitng classes Grant can do the same. When you fire coaches after every 3 years you turn into Arkansas. It simply takes time to build a basketball program when you aren't one of the big boys. There is no way to argue otherwise. Lon Kruger left the Florida program in good shape for Billy Donovan. Tom Penders left the Texas program in good shape for Rick Barnes. Not so much at Alabama.
 
Re: Anthony Grant...Inventory Should be Taken on his Status as Head Coach

It can be! If CAG is not the answer, their is no reason we can not go out and get a top notch coach with experience in major college basketball. The coaches at Marquette, and Baylor come to mind. We need to parlay the success of football. They can build on each other. Look at The U of Texas. As Mac Brown built the horns up, they committed to basketball with Rick Barnes and became a top 20 team consistently.

This will not be a popular opinion, but I'm not sure our bball program is a more attractive than the Marquette job. Marquette is in a better conference, plays at a nicer arena, and has more passionate fans. Sure we have more resources that we COULD throw behind the basketball program, but I'm not sure that we WILL. It is not like the football program where a big enough check and the mystique of Alabama football brings in whoever we want.

Baylor, we're probably a more attractive job than. And certainly we are a better job than other mid major type programs. But that's what we did with Coach Grant, is we hired a very good mid major coach and gave him a better opportunity. There's very few guarantees in coaching, and the guys who are guarantees typically go to the top notch positions. We are not there.

I like Coach Grant, and I think this is going to get better. As bad as we've looked, don't discount the fact that we've basically thrown guys in there who have little to no game time experience together. We SHOULD look like a team in late December/early January right now. There is time to get this straightened out before the tourney and still make the NCAAs, but it is going to take strong leadership and not just from Coach Grant. We'll see if we have that.
 
And Mark Gottfried ran this program into the ground and no player even got any better playing for him.
The fact is CMG took us to the elite 8. CMG teams were not the worst shooting teams in SEC history. Obviously you don't know .... about basketball if you would take CAG over Scott Drew. You'd probably take Chiz over Saban too.
 
Any chance stud hoops players don't want to attend a school that is regarded as a football factory. They are never going to be BMOC.

And then we have to assume they actually are "coachable".
 
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