Beyond Bush: How do Republicans win in 2010 & 2012?

BamaNation

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As I described in a previous post, the Democrats have won the 2006 & 2008 elections largely on huge turnout based on a hatred of President Bush. Having someone to hate, a poorly executed post-war, and economy in the tank have worked well for the Democrats.

On the otherside of the political coin, I now ask what must the Republicans do to recover from the legacy of President George W. Bush? How do Republican leaders turn this lemon into lemonade?
 
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I think the Republican members of Congress have to act like Republicans and not try to "out spend" the Democrats.

Seriously, there was not 25 cents difference between McCain and Obama. (An exageration, but I think you probably get my point.)

The Dmocrats in control will introduce stupid/socialist legislation over and over and over again. The Republicans will have to be willing to stand up and say "NO, this is stupid" and then explain why. They'll have to have the guts to IGNORE the liberal press and try to return us to our roots.
 

ValuJet

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The Republicans' problem goes much deeper than just the need for a single personality to emerge that has the leadership skills, political saavy and governing ability to bring their party back to viability.

A disastrous Obama administration would help, however, Americans would likely be fed up after four more years of gridlock, and back-stepping. Any president with an intuition knows by now that, to succeed, and have a second term, unemployment must remain under 6%, 401(k)'s must have had a healthy, sustainable growth, and everyday burdensome costs - from taxes to utilities to gas prices to food prices - must be affordable and kept within a modest budget.

On the other hand, and by my previous statement, I in no way wish ill will on Obama's presidency - quite the opposite. Knowing there's no quick fix to our current ills, if he surrounds himself with competent, quality people I do believe he can improve the myriad of problems facing us. He also needs to find a way to "bridge the divide" separating the two parties, something GWB pledged, but, after the 2000 election debacle, had no real chance of accomplishing.

The Republicans' problems are many. Like it or not, the religious folks attempted, and succeeded, at building their strongest coalition, however, at the same time alienating the fiscal Conservatives and social moderates, who were (and are) more focused on growing the economy than sideline issues like gay marriage and flag burning. I would think many of those factions within what's normally the Republican party probably jumped ship in this election, blindly pulling the lever for Obama, crossing their fingers that they're doing the right thing for a largely unproven and untested candidate.

Another problem with the Republicans is that they have allowed GWB to run amuck in government largesse, and in the recent election season tried to find the appropriate middle ground to avoid associating with him while attempting to hold on to traditional Conservative principles. Even in the waning days of the election season, the federal bailout provided horror story after horror story of bailout recipients using taxpayer funds to take elaborate, luxurious business trips and pay bonuses to executives who brought their companies to insolvency in the first place. Regardless of the facts, this was a direct reflection of Bush policies, the good-ole-boy network, and raw greed. Voters (taxpayers) felt as if they needed a hot shower to cleanse themselves of the last eight years.

This will not be easy to overcome. Howard Dean and the Democrats spent the last four years painting the Republicans as exactly what I have just described, and Bush and Co. did little to counter that perception. Whoever emerges as the leader of the Republicans, the frontrunner for the next election cycle, etc. has a daunting task ahead of them.

If the Republicans trot out Gov. Sarah Palin as this person, they may as well fold the tent. Palin connects with a lot of people but realistically, is not going to see those fiscal conservatives and social moderates I mentioned above come barging into her corner. We may very well see the Republicans banking on a disastrous four years from Obama as a means to recapture the White House, with nothing substantive to offer but well..."change."

Sorry for the lengthy reponse, Brett - but you asked. :)
 

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I think you got it pretty well. Move away from Sarah Palin and towards a person that will be very close to Ronald Reagan to attract the fiscal conservatives. I think a move towards Palin will bring the Republicans even farther from gaining the majority. Can you imagine a 2008 presidential debate Palin v Obama. Even diehard Republicans should even find that situation laughable.
 

BamaSC

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First thing is whomever is running the RNC needs to step down. I also agree with a point ValuJet made...Republicans need to focus on the core issues (economy, smaller government, individual rights/responsibility, national security) and quit with the sideline issues (gay marriage amendment, flag burning, religion, etc...)

After focusing the message, they need to learn how to market and sell it. Draw clear distinctions with the other party without resorting to petty name-calling. For those that do get elected, they have to walk the walk and not fall into the trap they fell into in the 90's and early 2000's where they grew government and spent at levels that would have made LBJ blush.

They have a big task ahead of them, but I believe with Obama's proposed fiscal and energy policies rubber-stamped by a Democrat-controlled congress, Americans will be ready for "Change" yet again very soon.

Provided the Republicans can get their act together, they'll be in an excellent position to take advantage. I wouldn't hold your breath though. If they continue doing what they've been doing, they're going to reduce themselves to a regional party relegated to parts of the South and West.
 

torsten

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I agree with BamaSC's last point - they're charging full speed toward regional party status. Given the current makeup of the party, I don't see that changing. The sooner they purge themselves of what's known as the "base," (or at least the stench eminating from it) the sooner they'll have a shot at being a majority party. In the US the party that rules is the one that captures the center. The Republican base has made it clear they want no part of the center.

The McCain/Palin campaign tacked hard right/conservative, constantly driving home the point that Obama wasn't "one of us," that he'd raise taxes!!!, that he was a "socialist," that he "palled around with terrorists," and that he was *gasp* a LIBERAL!! ..... And guess what? America sided with Obama. Obama's favorable numbers are quite high. The ideological posturing that worked in 1972 or 1984 does not work today. The people who run the party just don't seem to get where the country is now. America is not the Rush Limbaugh audience. In fact, most of America doesn't like the Rush Limbaugh audience.

If the Rs want to revamp their party for a succesful future, they'd be better off heading in Ron Paul's direction, stressing individual liberties and individualism without the religious fundamentalism and anti-gay nonsense. They also need an inspiring candidate to put a good face on the message. Hope and optimism sells. Scolding and name-calling doesn't.
 

Bamaro

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For 2012
1. Keep Palin in Alaska. If you want to insure an Obama re-election, nominate Palin.
2. Nominate someone like Pawlenty who could have broad appeal and run on real issues, not name calling and innuendo.

For 2010,
It all depends on conditions leading up to the election. The electorate has a very short memory and it comes down to 'what have you done for me lately'. Its hard though to flip many seats as most voters tend to like 'their' representative while disliking congress as a whole.
 

BamaSteve999

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I'm not sure that the Republican "collapse" is due to the factors Torsten cited as much as it is due to a perfect storm of disgust for the war in Iraq, hatred by many (legitimate or not) for George Bush, and the economic implosion. Regardless of the positioning of the party in the center, it would be very hard to argue that the incumbent party that "got us in this mess to start with" (again, legitimate or not, but perception is reality) should stay around.

That doesn't mean that the Repubs shouldn't stop concentrating so much on the social/moral issues and refocus on being actual fiscal conservatives. Also, you might be right about Palin, but after 4 years of the hemming, hawing, nuancing, and general fearfulness to do anything that I believe will attach to this administration, along with a slow (if any) economic recovery and an increase in taxes might leave Obama and the Democratic party more vulnerable than any of us would imagine right now. Looking at what he has said he will do, the only thing I would bet he would be able to get done would be a withdrawal from Iraq, and that has the potential to backfire as well depending on what happens afterwards.

It will be an interesting time.
 

Pluck and Grit

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I hate to make this about race, but reality is reality:

Whites: McCain 55%, Obama 43%
Blacks: McCain 4%, Obama 95%
Hispanics: McCain 31%, Obama 67%

That last line is the one Republicans need to be concerned about. If the GOP cannot sell itself to Hispanics any better than that, then it will go the way of the Whigs.
 
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Hmmm. Take your pick.

This time 4 years ago, everybody just knew it would be Mayor September 11th.

My money would be on Gov. Piyush Jindal of Louisiana.

Piyush would make a very strong candidate.


 

Jack Bourbon

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They need to move towards being fiscally-conservative problem-solving realists and away from being insular right-wing christian values-pushing cheerleaders. Running people with real experience, expertise, and talent would be nice, as well.
 

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I agree that the leader of the RNC needs to step aside. He, thus the Repub Party, is way out of touch ( not to say that the dems are that much more in touch as a whole ). The other thing the Repubs need to do is to get a candidate who does not look like a robot. McCain looked so stiff at all times. If you're going to succeed you're going to have to be marketable. The Repubs also need to quit crying about the media. It's already a known fact that the media as a whole are a bunch of socialists ( as long as it doesn't affect their money ). They're not gonna get far by sitting around and complaining about the media.
I would welcome a candidate like Romney
 

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I hate to make this about race, but reality is reality:

Whites: McCain 55%, Obama 43%
Blacks: McCain 4%, Obama 95%
Hispanics: McCain 31%, Obama 67%

That last line is the one Republicans need to be concerned about. If the GOP cannot sell itself to Hispanics any better than that, then it will go the way of the Whigs.
Calling CrimsonCT in 3...2...1...
 

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Honestly, I hope that they don't. The GOP had 6 years under Bush to reform America. They had enough votes to pass whatever they wanted. Social Security reform? They had the votes. Tax reform? They had the votes. You name it, they had the votes.

What did they do? Increased spending and avoided every single issue that might cost them votes. What did it get them? Thrown out of office - exactly what they deserved.

It wasn't just GWB that failed America. We need a viable third party, because these two are not getting another vote from me in my lifetime...
 

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Honestly, I hope that they don't. The GOP had 6 years under Bush to reform America. They had enough votes to pass whatever they wanted. Social Security reform? They had the votes. Tax reform? They had the votes. You name it, they had the votes.

What did they do? Increased spending and avoided every single issue that might cost them votes. What did it get them? Thrown out of office - exactly what they deserved.

It wasn't just GWB that failed America. We need a viable third party, because these two are not getting another vote from me in my lifetime...
Amen. The Democrats didn't come up with a better plan to beat the Republicans the Republicans did it to themselves.
 

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