Question: Border crisis looming, what should be done?
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Yep - same as it ever was. Some Dems just proposed state-sponsored immigration, likely for specific industries/factories and hospitality (among others) where companies are suffering from shortages of low-skilled workers, or have had to close altogether.
Only a government/business partnership will offer any relief at all; Congress ain’t spending more money on anything for the border (doubt they could even justify Wall money now). Short of thousands of immigration lawyers and judges, and the infrastructure to support them, options except the aforementioned are non-existent.
There is no doubt workers are needed, the tax revenue they would bring in is needed (even for SS), and if they are working the stress on social programs will be lessened as opposed to just turning them loose, able only to work “under the table” which only benefits the employer (not so much the worker, if he gets caught).
But can/will our government do the right thing?
My money’s on “not a chance in hell”.
Only a government/business partnership will offer any relief at all; Congress ain’t spending more money on anything for the border (doubt they could even justify Wall money now). Short of thousands of immigration lawyers and judges, and the infrastructure to support them, options except the aforementioned are non-existent.
There is no doubt workers are needed, the tax revenue they would bring in is needed (even for SS), and if they are working the stress on social programs will be lessened as opposed to just turning them loose, able only to work “under the table” which only benefits the employer (not so much the worker, if he gets caught).
But can/will our government do the right thing?
My money’s on “not a chance in hell”.
What should be done?
First, we obviously need to overhaul the immigration system - we need some of these immigrants, but not all. And that's ignoring the reality that there are some with ill intent who are sneaking in under the guise of 'seeking a better life'.
Second, beef up border security and ship people back who enter illegally, notifying them in the process that they will never be granted legal entry if they're caught crossing illegally a second time. Or something along these lines.
Neither of the above will be done as it's something that can lose the legislator votes - congress critters will do nothing that risks their re-election.
First, we obviously need to overhaul the immigration system - we need some of these immigrants, but not all. And that's ignoring the reality that there are some with ill intent who are sneaking in under the guise of 'seeking a better life'.
Second, beef up border security and ship people back who enter illegally, notifying them in the process that they will never be granted legal entry if they're caught crossing illegally a second time. Or something along these lines.
Neither of the above will be done as it's something that can lose the legislator votes - congress critters will do nothing that risks their re-election.
First, I can't say IANAL, because I am, but I'm not an immigration lawyer. First, what you propose is illegal, generally speaking. Once an individual enters the country, they can claim asylum. Then they are entitled to a hearing on that matter and are released, pending trial. Believe it or not, around 83% do. Many who don't didn't get notice or faced hardship getting to court. IOW, the overwhelming majority want to do it the right way. Title 42 allows peremptory return of a migrant during a public health emergency. Unfortunately, a public health declaration has a great many other ramifications. You just can't keep one in effect forever. The Covid declaration ends on the 11th (I think), and we revert to the old law, which doesn't allow just "send them back." BTW, (IIRC) if they return after deportation, they are barred for 20 years, or, if convicted of a felony while here, permanently. Of course, scofflaws like the Texas shooter-before-last, just ignore that...
Thank you for that.
I guess my point is if it's illegal, change the laws. This thread is asking what can be done - let's use the legislative process to streamline and fortify immigration. We know that what we've been doing for the last few decades isn't working.
SUV driver hits crowd at Texas bus stop near border; 7 dead
Seven people were killed and up to six were injured Sunday after they were struck by a vehicle while waiting at a city bus stop outside of a migrant shelter in the border city of Brownsville, Texas, police said.
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Police in Brownsville, Texas, say seven people are dead and as many as six are injured after they were struck by a vehicle while waiting at a bus stop outside of a migrant shelter...
“What we see in the video is that this SUV, a Range Rover, just ran the light that was about a 100 feet away and just went through the people who were sitting there in the bus stop,” Maldonado said.
He said the SUV flipped after running up on the curb and continued moving for about 200 feet (about 60 meters). Some people who were walking on the sidewalk about 30 feet away from the main group were also hit, Maldonado said.
Maldonado said the center had not received any threats before the crash, but they did afterwards.SUV driver hits crowd at Texas bus stop near border; 7 dead
Seven people were killed and up to six were injured Sunday after they were struck by a vehicle while waiting at a city bus stop outside of a migrant shelter in the border city of Brownsville, Texas, police said.
Police in Brownsville, Texas, say seven people are dead and as many as six are injured after they were struck by a vehicle while waiting at a bus stop outside of a migrant shelter...
“What we see in the video is that this SUV, a Range Rover, just ran the light that was about a 100 feet away and just went through the people who were sitting there in the bus stop,” Maldonado said.
He said the SUV flipped after running up on the curb and continued moving for about 200 feet (about 60 meters). Some people who were walking on the sidewalk about 30 feet away from the main group were also hit, Maldonado said.
“I've had a couple of people come by the gate and tell the security guard that the reason this happened was because of us,” Maldonado said.
Actually, I posted that way above. Someone was complaining about "policy." I pointed out that the real problem lay with the underlying statutes...
We want to have an immigration system without spending the resources needed for one. Providing requires action by Congress.
Not to sound too Trumpish, but we need to close our border and do everything we can to keep out anyone who isn't coming here legally. There was a system in place for years and years, until our Politicians decided to ignore it. We need to call out the politicians and replace them. (Not gonna happen) Illegals already here should be sent back to their own country. (Again... Not going to happen)
So what I think will really happen... NOTHING.
I don't forsee a political solution.
Local entities have joined together and reached out to students in local high schools, encouraging them to either stay and work here after graduation, or go to college here and stay, or return if they go away to college.
The solution will have to be a partnership between businesses (who desperately need the help and you seem to be tone deaf to their pleas) and government. Or tell Americans they just have to make more babies.
You are right - there’s little chance of a real, viable political solution, even through immigrants from some CA countries are a direct result of government policies. (Thank you, Hillary/Obama).
Not so long as the Republicans believe those immigrants will eventually turn into Democratic voters and beget more such voters...
The laws we have on the books are being enforced, as I set out above. They need changing, but it's not going to happen because of one party...
I would think that if they were being enforced there wouldn't be millions of illegals here.
The law on the books are being enforced insofar as resources allow. We would need a national police force of probably tens of thousands to stop all illegal crossings. No one will pay for that...
Ronald Reagan was referring to People who immigrate to America legally. They follow the rules. I have a Great Neice who married a man from Siria. It took him 5 years to meet all the qualifications to move to America. He is now an American citizen and works about 60 hours a week. This is the type person President Reagan reffered to, not the people who violate American laws and illegally cross our borders. There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything.
IOW, the law is not being enforced, because of lack of funds/will. IMO, employers should be heavily fined for hiring someone without documentation. Take away the incentive and you greatly reduce the problem. Couple this with increasing H-2B visas to allow more seasonal/tempory workers to come here legally.
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