CFN: Florida State and the "Rigged" College Football Playoff: Daily Cavalcade

B1GTide

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They should have never had FSU at 4.....they screwed themselves when they kept them there because of that 0 in the loss column.
Nor should they have had Oregon at 6th or Alabama at 8th. They baked assumptions into their rankings. When those assumptions failed to play out, their lies were revealed. And somehow Alabama is at fault. SMH
 

selmaborntidefan

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OK, let's go back and see how - with what we suspected then and we all know now - could have been avoided and still had good rankings:

WEEK 1 CFP RANKINGS (bold teams are unbeaten)
1) Ohio St
2) Georgia
3) Michigan
4) FSU
5) Washington

6) Oregon - loss on road to UW by 3
7) Texas - loss at technically neutral site by 3
8) Alabama - loss to Texas at home by 10
9) Oklahoma - loss to Kansas at home by 5, win over Texas
10) Ole Miss - loss to Alabama by 14 on road
11) Penn State - loss to Ohio St on road by 8

Obvious problems with first poll:

1) Michigan hadn't played a team with a pulse yet, so why are they #3? They had AT THAT TIME played four OOC creampuffs and the five worst teams in the B1G, NONE of them ranked.

2) Georgia hadn't really played anyone but Kentucky at this point.

3) Oregon had played one good team, Washington and lost. By contrast, if Oregon was SO GOOD, Washington should have been higher than #5, too.

4) Florida State had played two teams with a pulse, LSU (good win) and Duke, who had 2 more losses before the first ranking.

That right there - TO ME - suggests the following opening ranking with justifications, in fact, I'll bake in assumptions, too:

FIRST OPTION
1) Ohio State - had beaten two teams ranked in the top ten
2) Washington - had beaten a top ten team AND had an upcoming game with #20 to validate
3) Georgia - one ranked foe but a tougher SoS to this point than FSU
4) FSU - win over LSU is more impressive than anything UM had done to that point but ceiling
5) Michigan - unbeaten, played nobody, big games upcoming
6) Oklahoma - H2H over Texas
7) Texas - H2H over Alabama, beat then ranked #24, loss to #6 was "good"
8) Alabama - two top 20 wins (OM/Vols) and a H2H loss to Texas
9) Oregon - had lost to the only team they played worth a damn
10) Penn State - if you lost by fewer to a higher-ranked team, why wouldn't PSU >> Ole Miss?

SECOND OPTION
1) Ohio State
2) Washington
3) Georgia - eye test justification
4) Michigan - same as UGA
5) FSU - win over LSU but note they have nobody decent left to play
6) Texas - still with the H2H
7) Alabama -
8) Oklahoma - note it was a last play loss and Texas did handle a better version of KU
9) Penn State - because their loss was to Ohio St who is #1
10) Oregon - because their loss was to #2

Note: yes, you "could" use the justifications above to put Penn State and Oregon higher than Alabama or Texas, but you're BALANCING WINS AND LOSSES.

They all have one loss; Alabama and Texas have better wins.

Or - whoo boy - you could put Alabama at 6 and Texas at 7, and say, "Look, we ranked Texas ahead of their H2H loss, too." I realize I'm biased, but you COULD justify that with two top 20 wins. And an Alabama ranking of #6 would push Oregon or Oklahoma out of the top ten.

I think you could have justified AT THIS TIME putting Texas as high as #3 until Michigan actually played Penn State. I wouldn't - there's still time - but you could. Once Michigan beats Penn St, you drop Texas and show poll volatility, which preps the fans for "you don't just keep your space by winning."

Note: YES, I'm aware Ole Miss beat LSU. In fact, you could include Ole Miss at 10 OR you could drop Florida State with "less impressive than first thought."
 

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OK, let's go back and see how - with what we suspected then and we all know now - could have been avoided and still had good rankings:

WEEK 1 CFP RANKINGS (bold teams are unbeaten)
1) Ohio St
2) Georgia
3) Michigan
4) FSU
5) Washington

6) Oregon - loss on road to UW by 3
7) Texas - loss at technically neutral site by 3
8) Alabama - loss to Texas at home by 10
9) Oklahoma - loss to Kansas at home by 5, win over Texas
10) Ole Miss - loss to Alabama by 14 on road
11) Penn State - loss to Ohio St on road by 8

Obvious problems with first poll:

1) Michigan hadn't played a team with a pulse yet, so why are they #3? They had AT THAT TIME played four OOC creampuffs and the five worst teams in the B1G, NONE of them ranked.

2) Georgia hadn't really played anyone but Kentucky at this point.

3) Oregon had played one good team, Washington and lost. By contrast, if Oregon was SO GOOD, Washington should have been higher than #5, too.

4) Florida State had played two teams with a pulse, LSU (good win) and Duke, who had 2 more losses before the first ranking.

That right there - TO ME - suggests the following opening ranking with justifications, in fact, I'll bake in assumptions, too:

FIRST OPTION
1) Ohio State - had beaten two teams ranked in the top ten
2) Washington - had beaten a top ten team AND had an upcoming game with #20 to validate
3) Georgia - one ranked foe but a tougher SoS to this point than FSU
4) FSU - win over LSU is more impressive than anything UM had done to that point but ceiling
5) Michigan - unbeaten, played nobody, big games upcoming
6) Oklahoma - H2H over Texas
7) Texas - H2H over Alabama, beat then ranked #24, loss to #6 was "good"
8) Alabama - two top 20 wins (OM/Vols) and a H2H loss to Texas
9) Oregon - had lost to the only team they played worth a damn
10) Penn State - if you lost by fewer to a higher-ranked team, why wouldn't PSU >> Ole Miss?

SECOND OPTION
1) Ohio State
2) Washington
3) Georgia - eye test justification
4) Michigan - same as UGA
5) FSU - win over LSU but note they have nobody decent left to play
6) Texas - still with the H2H
7) Alabama -
8) Oklahoma - note it was a last play loss and Texas did handle a better version of KU
9) Penn State - because their loss was to Ohio St who is #1
10) Oregon - because their loss was to #2

Note: yes, you "could" use the justifications above to put Penn State and Oregon higher than Alabama or Texas, but you're BALANCING WINS AND LOSSES.

They all have one loss; Alabama and Texas have better wins.

Or - whoo boy - you could put Alabama at 6 and Texas at 7, and say, "Look, we ranked Texas ahead of their H2H loss, too." I realize I'm biased, but you COULD justify that with two top 20 wins. And an Alabama ranking of #6 would push Oregon or Oklahoma out of the top ten.

I think you could have justified AT THIS TIME putting Texas as high as #3 until Michigan actually played Penn State. I wouldn't - there's still time - but you could. Once Michigan beats Penn St, you drop Texas and show poll volatility, which preps the fans for "you don't just keep your space by winning."

Note: YES, I'm aware Ole Miss beat LSU. In fact, you could include Ole Miss at 10 OR you could drop Florida State with "less impressive than first thought."
people have also forgotten that fsu only beat Duke because they knocked out the QB and Duke couldn't complete a pass after that. Duke had a lead when that happened.
 

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people have also forgotten that fsu only beat Duke because they knocked out the QB and Duke couldn't complete a pass after that. Duke had a lead when that happened.
They haven't forgotten, that just goes against the narrative.

Where's the outrage for Liberty....also undefeated. Didn't play a power 5 team, but come on, they did everything asked of them like FSU did. Or like Cincinnati did a few years ago.
 

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They haven't forgotten, that just goes against the narrative.

Where's the outrage for Liberty....also undefeated. Didn't play a power 5 team, but come on, they did everything asked of them like FSU did. Or like Cincinnati did a few years ago.
Cincinnati fans are still undergoing PTSD treatment after seeing Brian Robinson man handle their crappy defense.
 

BamaLuver

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If not for 'The Alliance,' college football's muddled playoff picture would be much clearer this year

Actually posted the wrong darn link..

 

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The foremost validation of the committee's decision would be a >3 touchdown defeat of FSU by Ga on Dec 30th. That would silence their outraged fans.
 

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oh and skip week 12 too? Hmmmmm okay there Mr. I graduated in ‘90
This is an Alabama board. We don’t tolerate trash talk and chippy attitudes from Alabama fans, much less fans of other schools.

In your first 12 hours as a member, you’ve distinguished yourself and not necessarily for being a gracious guest.

If you conform to board rules and norms, you’ll be welcome and have a good time. You might even learn something.

If you don’t, that’s your prerogative. But your stay will be shorter and not as pleasant.

Your choice.
 

selmaborntidefan

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The foremost validation of the committee's decision would be a >3 touchdown defeat of FSU by Ga on Dec 30th. That would silence their outraged fans.
No, it wouldn't.

Follow me in this: Florida State will then spend the next 30 years saying, "Yes, but that wasn't the same team with all the sitouts."

In other words....they're going to use the argument of "this is not the same team" that they're having an issue with right now. It will be the amusing irony of the whole deal.

And FTR, all of Alabama's guys played in the meaningless Sugar Bowl against K-State last year and at least made folks think "they'd have been better in the playoff than TCU."
 

selmaborntidefan

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people have also forgotten that fsu only beat Duke because they knocked out the QB and Duke couldn't complete a pass after that. Duke had a lead when that happened.
Some of us didn't know this because we don't watch games involving teams from the Athletically Challenged Conference unless it directly affects Alabama. And that game was played in October, way too early for me to care about it.

but thx.
 
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