This may be a dumb question, especially given what I choked on all last year, but shouldn't the QB be groomed for the offense rather than the other way around?
Coach Grubb's Press Conference QB Notes
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Yes, yes it should. Coaches recruit players that fit what they want to do schematically.
When new coaches come in there is always a grace period while there are adjustments being made.
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Yes but last season was a less than ideal situation.
The new staff had to work with a QB room full of players they didn't recruit (except for Mack) and had their hands tied with an entrenched starter.
That entrenched starter didn't have the ability to run the Full CKD Offense so it had to be simplified and scaled back and tailored to his strengths.
I believe from what I gathered from other people that because of this ALL the QBs were handicapped by that same simplified scheme.
So the Full CKD Offense didn't really begin to be installed until the beginning of this Off-season.
It's a complicated scheme for both the QBs and WRs so it will most likely be a multi-season process while also still being adjusted to maximize Ty's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.
There is always some element of that though because it takes a Special QB to be able to consistently make every type of throw.
QBs are recruited who fit the system. QBs are then groomed to run the system. But there is always a degree of "tweaking" to the system to maximize the QBs strengths and minimize his weaknesses.
The great OCs - Sark, Kiffin, Grubb - tweak the offensive system to not just fit the QBs abilities, but to also maximize the abilities of the other skill players. I'm anxious to see how Grubb tweaks our offense. I think that by the end of the year it will be quite different than what we've see the last couple of years.
The great OCs - Sark, Kiffin, Grubb - tweak the offensive system to not just fit the QBs abilities, but to also maximize the abilities of the other skill players. I'm anxious to see how Grubb tweaks our offense. I think that by the end of the year it will be quite different than what we've see the last couple of years.
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Milroe isn’t a QB..we get it. Stop talking about it.
I've heard they installed most of the offense last year, but that they simply couldn't run most of it. But that Ty and Austin were exposed to most of the elements. That is hearsay though.
Yes... I think you have to play to be fully ready. I am hoping that Ty has had enough practice reps to schematically know everything, and that we can pull it together long enough to win through hitting the field and getting him up to speed. He has certainly had practice time over the past few years. I would have just let Milroe sit after the second (and not even the third) fumble in the bowl game and let Ty play.
Just hitting the open receivers and being a game manager to help us establish a run game would get us mostly there.
I still can’t believe Milroe even played in the bowl game. Like dude…please leave.
That could be true and hopefully it is to some degree.
But even still with them only getting limited 2nd and 3rd string reps in practice neither would have had enough exposure.
I think we'll look a lot better on Offense right out of the gate but we'll probably be continuing to implement more of the full scheme as the season progresses.
Yes but last season was a less than ideal situation.
The new staff had to work with a QB room full of players they didn't recruit (except for Mack) and had their hands tied with an entrenched starter.
That entrenched starter didn't have the ability to run the Full CKD Offense so it had to be simplified and scaled back and tailored to his strengths.
I believe from what I gathered from other people that because of this ALL the QBs were handicapped by that same simplified scheme.
So the Full CKD Offense didn't really begin to be installed until the beginning of this Off-season.
It's a complicated scheme for both the QBs and WRs so it will most likely be a multi-season process while also still being adjusted to maximize Ty's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.
There is always some element of that though because it takes a Special QB to be able to consistently make every type of throw.
That third and fifth paragraph made me look twice to make sure I was reading it right.
that jives. In the very limited sample, what Ty ran, and/or executed, when he got out there was not the same as what was being done when he wasn't.
Yep. When he was in we suddenly ran a play that looked different and had a different result. Like a 7 yard completion. Amazingly simple stuff that the other QB couldn't do!
When I first watched this video, my impression is that Grubb was saying hitting the simple throws is what makes the offense work. IOW, if the former QB couldn't check down to what was available, then it wouldn't work.
Same could probably be said of every offensive philosophy.
So it explains why our offense often looked like trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
DeBoer alluded to this in one of his latest interviews, discussing the ability to throw check-downs and "short passes," and not always relying on a long pass to either be caught for a big play or result in an incompletition. There's no doubt he was talking directly about last year.
The thing is, DeBoer’s offense is historically a really pass-heavy offense. Particularly when Grubb is calling plays. It’s not quite on Air Raid or Run & Shoot levels, but it is pass-heavy. If I’m not mistaken, Washington averaged about 42 pass attempts against 22-ish rush attempts per game in 2023. And yes - the short, quick stuff is important to keep things flowing because they also prefer to run a good bit of no-huddle. But they also have kind of a Nate Oats mentality in that you either take the quick short stuff or take a deep shot, because anything else is lower percentage. DeBoer is supposedly really big on analytics, and you saw some of this with some of the fourth down attempts we ran last season. I think against USCe we went for it on fourth down on like our own 34 yard line in the 1st quarter. It’s a really modern offense in terms of approach, analytics and philosophy.
Honestly, the way we handled the offense last season makes me feel like DeBoer is an even better coach than I thought he was, because he ended up scrapping a lot of his base stuff and went with what Milroe could do best. He’s not a “let’s fit this square peg into this round hole” kind of coach like you used to see with Meyer, Mullen and even Malzahn.
But if Ty is a better short passer than Milroe was, like we all believe he probably is, I’d expect a ton more pass attempts this season. Especially with Grubb calling plays. Grubb was basically let go in Seattle in part because he threw the ball too much, at least for that staff’s liking. When you listen to Grubb and DeBoer talk about the offense this year, it’s almost exclusively about completions we need to be making.
Just my observations.
Honestly, the way we handled the offense last season makes me feel like DeBoer is an even better coach than I thought he was, because he ended up scrapping a lot of his base stuff and went with what Milroe could do best. He’s not a “let’s fit this square peg into this round hole” kind of coach like you used to see with Meyer, Mullen and even Malzahn.
But if Ty is a better short passer than Milroe was, like we all believe he probably is, I’d expect a ton more pass attempts this season. Especially with Grubb calling plays. Grubb was basically let go in Seattle in part because he threw the ball too much, at least for that staff’s liking. When you listen to Grubb and DeBoer talk about the offense this year, it’s almost exclusively about completions we need to be making.
Just my observations.
I have a nagging suspicion that we will need to run a good bit to be successful in the SEC. This conference is not like other places.
For the most part, I'm with you on that. I think it's really about making the defense defend the entire field so they can't key in on just a few things. The run game does a great job of keeping focus in the box, but some (not all, but some) of that can be done with the short passing game. IIRC, UW involved the RBs a good bit in the pass game as well, so that would also help keep the LBs busy and force the Safeties into a couple of decisions.
Good post.
The CNO comparison makes sense.
And if short throws are like running plays, it makes sense how this will keep teams off balance!
Yes... I think DeBoer's offense is meant to attack the whole field but focus on the stuff that keeps the chains moving, keeps the defense from being able to key on any one thing, and then you take your strikes when you have the matchups and alignments you like. Make the defense respect the run and keep guys in close and then the lanes for medium and deep routes are man to man and less well covered. By the same token, you keep the D from overloading the front which opens the rushing lanes up.
I do hope we have a good solid running game. We need to sort out and develop our top 3 guys and be ready to pummel on the ground if that is what is offered. But we aren't going back to 2008 anytime soon...
I do hope we have a good solid running game. We need to sort out and develop our top 3 guys and be ready to pummel on the ground if that is what is offered. But we aren't going back to 2008 anytime soon...
My really short -- 2 years as an undersized backup center who knew the offense (ha) -- was under "Mouse Davis" -- the originator of the run and shoot. He won a state championship with a really bright QB who could not throw the ball more than 35 yards!
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I might agree if it were not for the "insta-portal." Don't think KR isn't going be sitting and waiting that long at Bama.
