Dabo was a member of Mike DuBose's staff. I hope to never see a member of that staff at Alabama ever again! Yes, I'm an unrelenting SOB, but that's just the way I feel about the staff that was instrumental in putting us on probation. Don't wish ill for any of them, just hope that none of them are ever employed by the University again. Granted, I'm long on memory but short on forgiveness, but that's just the way I feel. I wish no misfortune on Dabo, just hope that he remains at Clemson for the rest of his coaching career.
Dabo Swinney's Stock Value
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We love to rag on Karen Awshucks around here. Yep, I am guilty as charged and under no circumstances would I lobby for his hire at the Capstone to replace our legendary coach. But one must respect the man. He is one of our own after all. But beyond that, just take a look at his Wikipedia page:
en.wikipedia.org
So, to answer the question of his stock value...it's easy to kick him while he is down. But Dude does not have success like this by accident. Would you want him to be hired by, let's say, LSU?
Dabo Swinney - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
So, to answer the question of his stock value...it's easy to kick him while he is down. But Dude does not have success like this by accident. Would you want him to be hired by, let's say, LSU?
Dabo has had several factors working in his favor:
1. Clemson is in a great location for recruiting and has a fantastic academic support system for athletes.
2. Their alumni love and support football...no question about that. There is a history of good football -- not UA, but more like AU.
3. Clemson has had the largest FCA program for years...this fits in well with his brand of Christianity and works well on young people who've not had time to develop their own beliefs.
4. The weakness of the ACC has allowed him to have free rein during the season and look like a champion.
5. The campus is beautiful and the game experience is really, really top notch.
Would he have all these factors working in his favor at LSU? No -- especially 3 and 4 would be missing. He has relied on these far more than most realize...
1. Clemson is in a great location for recruiting and has a fantastic academic support system for athletes.
2. Their alumni love and support football...no question about that. There is a history of good football -- not UA, but more like AU.
3. Clemson has had the largest FCA program for years...this fits in well with his brand of Christianity and works well on young people who've not had time to develop their own beliefs.
4. The weakness of the ACC has allowed him to have free rein during the season and look like a champion.
5. The campus is beautiful and the game experience is really, really top notch.
Would he have all these factors working in his favor at LSU? No -- especially 3 and 4 would be missing. He has relied on these far more than most realize...
Jimbo is making 7.5 million a year after going 5-6 at FSU.
Of course this season hurts Dabo's stock a bit, but he's won 10 games in 10 straight seasons and he still could end up doing it again. Will he get back to a stretch where he wins 14 or more in four out of five years again? That's unlikely but then again isn't he the only coach to have ever done that?
He's still clearly one of the top coaches in college football. I'll be glad if he's finally become mortal again but that doesn't change the reality of what he's capable of.
This guy won 69 games in 4 years and in doing so beat Alabama twice for a championship with two different quarterbacks. That's not luck.
Of course this season hurts Dabo's stock a bit, but he's won 10 games in 10 straight seasons and he still could end up doing it again. Will he get back to a stretch where he wins 14 or more in four out of five years again? That's unlikely but then again isn't he the only coach to have ever done that?
He's still clearly one of the top coaches in college football. I'll be glad if he's finally become mortal again but that doesn't change the reality of what he's capable of.
This guy won 69 games in 4 years and in doing so beat Alabama twice for a championship with two different quarterbacks. That's not luck.
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dabo is the new Dennis Erickson. An average at best coach that lucked into 2 NCs because of the situation he was in.
Anyone remember Butch Davis? There's a time bomb we skipped...
I posted his wiki page to underline not only his career but also what he has done at Clemson. He has transformed that program by recruiting and hiring outstanding coaches. He has also done it over the long haul, not fly by night. He built Clemson into a winner. I do not what him at LSU.
I've watched most of Clemson's televised games. I'm no expert, but it appears to me that their quarterback is flat out awful. Maybe he'll improve with experience. I don't know. They are thin on the OL and have some key injuries (some of which are on defense), but if they had a Lawrence/Watson talent-level qb, they'd be undefeated now, probably, IMO. Dabo understands the importance of recruiting, and this DJ kid was supposed to be a top-5 player IIRC. I don't care a bit for Dabo; however, I don't think I'd write him off just yet.
No, it would be short sighted to write him off at all.......... he’s a good coach, and he will stay at Clemson from now on
We are incredibly spoiled if we don't respect what Dabo did there. He did not inherit a well oiled machine, he inherited a program that hadn't won a conference title since 1991! Any comparisons to programs a coach inherited that had enjoyed recent success aren't really valid, he had to build something he didn't just inherit it. Tommy Bowden was there from 1999 to 2008 and the best he could muster was a 9 win season! He had a better season at Tulane!
You take a program that hadn't had a conference title in 20 years and then you win 7, you're doing something right. It's ironic that I see some people crediting Clemson as a good football program but bashing Dabo, when Dabo is the only reason they're considered a good football program!
He gave them 2 of their 3 championships, he gave them 7 of their 18 conference titles. They've been members of the ACC since 1953 so they only won 11 conference titles from 1953 until he showed up! He's put them on the map, he's taken them from distant second in the state in popularity to national relevance! I don't like the guy either, but credit where credit is due. He built something. It wasn't instant success either, first three years were a struggle, next four years Clemson became relevant, then unfortunately for Alabama fans he started a stretch which was phenomenal.
The truth is there's only 2 other coaches during his time as a head coach that have accomplished anything comparable and that's Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. No one else comes close to what Dabo has done. Also, Urban Meyer was 8-5 his last year at Florida...
You take a program that hadn't had a conference title in 20 years and then you win 7, you're doing something right. It's ironic that I see some people crediting Clemson as a good football program but bashing Dabo, when Dabo is the only reason they're considered a good football program!
He gave them 2 of their 3 championships, he gave them 7 of their 18 conference titles. They've been members of the ACC since 1953 so they only won 11 conference titles from 1953 until he showed up! He's put them on the map, he's taken them from distant second in the state in popularity to national relevance! I don't like the guy either, but credit where credit is due. He built something. It wasn't instant success either, first three years were a struggle, next four years Clemson became relevant, then unfortunately for Alabama fans he started a stretch which was phenomenal.
The truth is there's only 2 other coaches during his time as a head coach that have accomplished anything comparable and that's Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. No one else comes close to what Dabo has done. Also, Urban Meyer was 8-5 his last year at Florida...
I disagree, I do not have to respect himWe love to rag on Karen Awshucks around here. Yep, I am guilty as charged and under no circumstances would I lobby for his hire at the Capstone to replace our legendary coach. But one must respect the man. He is one of our own after all. But beyond that, just take a look at his Wikipedia page:
Dabo Swinney - Wikipedia
So, to answer the question of his stock value...it's easy to kick him while he is down. But Dude does not have success like this by accident. Would you want him to be hired by, let's say, LSU?
Actually he inherited a pretty good Clemson team during a period in which Virginia Tech and BC were starting to die as programs.
So what? Dennis Erickson won 2 National Championships at Miami. Are you seriously going to put him above Jimmy Johnson because he has 1 more than Jimmy? Or Howard for that matter? An idiot can win a NC as LSU proved, and a subpar coach can win 2 like Erickson proved. 90% of Clemson’s national success in the last 5-6 years is because Georgia keeps chasing off quarterbacks and the other 10% is a mixture of luck and scheduling. Otherwise they aren’t as fabulous as you are making them out to be.
keep this in mind… CLEMSON LOST AT HOME TO PITTSBURGH AND GAVE UP 40+ POINTS IN 2016 WITH DESHAUN WATSON. That is not a sign of an elite coach at all. It’s a sign of a lucky one.
Again who cares? Ed Orgeron has a national championship while playing in the SEC… you know the league that you are always boosting up. Seriously, Kentucky could probably win the ACC as an undefeated team in most years. It’s not that impressive that Dabo has the record he does any more so than Lincoln Riley has the record he does for winning the BIG XII. The only difference is Dabo has been far more lucky with playoff matchups.
Dabo is Dennis Erickson 2.0, and not anywhere close to Saban or Urban. Hell he couldn’t hold Carroll’s towel either for that matter.
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Butch gets a lot of props for effectively being a better Shula steward type coach, and Coker is basically viewed in the same light as Oeaux and Chizik.
To really highlight how bad the ACC is. From 2013-2019 ALL ACC Coastal teams have made it to the ACC championship game. The last team not named Clemson or FSU to reach the championship as the Atlantic representative was Boston College in 2008 A good team in the ACC is a 8-5 team.
I went to lengths to demonstrate that Dabo didn't inherit a great program, he inherited one in which the previous coach couldn't get above the 9 win threshold and hadn't won a conference title since 1991.
Your response is Dennis Erickson? He inherited a team that was one of the best in the nation! They'd won a title two years prior, they'd won 10+ the past four seasons. He inherited a well oiled machine. Are you honestly comparing what Tommy Bowden built to what Jimmy Johnson and Howard Schnellenberger built? It's an absurd comparison. Tommy Bowden was 72-45 at Clemson! Jimmy Johnson was 52-9. That's like comparing a Ferrari to Fiero.
I am having trouble following this because you're the one that previously said how great Clemson's football program was and you cited all those ACC championships, many of which Dabo won! The only reason you could even make that argument is because of what Dabo did, now Dabo doesn't deserve credit? That mighty 72-45 coach does? I can not follow this logic. They only won 11 conference titles before Dabo showed, and they won those 11 conference titles before Virginia Tech and BC even showed up...
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No I’m just stating facts that the ACC is and always has been a terrible conference. People get suckered into the run that Bowden made in the 90’s, but fail to understand that Clemson outside that has been the team that has been the king of the mediocre team conference.
I think you are giving Dabo and Venables way too much credit for beating teams that Kentucky could beat by 2 scores. I thought you hated Boise stories.
Okay let’s analyze this for a second. We are trying to make a case for Dabo elsewhere. Most likely the SEC. Right now Clemson has an infinitively more talented team than 95% of the teams that they have faced in the last 7 years. But they managed to lose to Pittsburgh twice, NC St, and Syracuse in that time period. Imagine if they had to play 3-4 SEC schools a year or a few B1G schools. Are we even talking about Dabo right now? Doesn’t he deserve credit for losing to bad teams as well?
He is an average coach, at a great recruiting location, in a baseball conference. It’s not as impressive as you think, and I guarantee you that he would be the biggest bust in the SEC if he shifted over. The proof is in the pudding.
Define “down”? Our definition is likely different than most.
our worst year since 2008 is better than 75% of the colleges out there have on their best season.
Yeah and I don’t think we were losing to teams like NC St and Pittsburgh on our down years either
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