Deadspin is saying Te'o's girlfriend's death was a hoax created for publicity

[NationalTitles18]

Some tweets being uncovered that may show that Manti was played for a fool...check it out:

http://collegespun.com/big-east/not...ount-tweeted-about-it-being-fake#.UPePkm81lrO

All part of the cover up of the hoax? Or just what caused it to become public? hmmmm.....Who to trust...Te'ohas shown he isn't trustworthy,what with lying about holding the "girl's" hand and all.

 

[cuda.1973]

Gee, and when it looked like he was crying, at halftime, we thought it was because he was getting a mud-hole stomped in his back. Maybe it was because he knew his beard was falling off! :biggrin2:

 

[TideMom2Boys]

Ok to go along with what Irish Fans think...that he was the victim.


So your GF, that you deeply care for, dies. Then wouldn't you get more info on the funeral? Obituary? How did his brother find out about her death? One of the tweets he wrote to her says that she loves the Voxer app. So she has that app, but doesn't know how to Skype...or have access to Skype with him?


Either he is as naive as a child, or he is covering his own butt on this story.

 

[JPT4Bama]

Ok to go along with what Irish Fans think...that he was the victim.


So your GF, that you deeply care for, dies. Then wouldn't you get more info on the funeral? Obituary? How did his brother find out about her death? One of the tweets he wrote to her says that she loves the Voxer app. So she has that app, but doesn't know how to Skype...or have access to Skype with him?


Either he is as naive as a child, or he is covering his own butt on this story.

A Mom can always tell.

 

[CrimsonSEC]

Scandalous.... FriendlyIrish, I feel for you and the other faithful ND fans for the weeks to come and the cringe worthy revelations. Keep your collective chins up and good luck next year.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Just think...
Only a couple of weeks ago ND fans were calling us 'Gumps'...
Ironic that they now claim ignorance by one of their own.
Ironic that Te'o, his Father, and Notre Dame, have all lied about this 'Story' now...

IMO: The 'Elders' on the Island probably take a dim view of the negative publicity for their Island State.

 

[cuda.1973]

Hmmm.............if the hometown newspaper runs with this story, is his dad going to call for a jihad, against them? :biggrin2:

 

[uafan4life]

He's guilty, but we don't know of what. Are you sure he is guilty of knowingly lying about it "in order to promote his own publicity."

I do think he has the general mens rea met of "knowingly lied." He omitted a fact that was necessary to correct a previous statement from being false. But we don't know specifically why he did it yet. That is just conjecture.

I was referring to the guilt regarding the result of the action as opposed to the initial intent. If you leave a bar and attempt to drive home drunk after having one or two too many, it's a safe bet that you didn't intend to kill anyone when you got behind the wheel. That doesn't mean that you aren't guilty - as a direct result of your choices - of at least manslaughter if not murder.

When Manti began lying about his girlfriend in interviews and appearances that were specifically designed to promote his publicity then he became guilty of lying to promote his own publicity - regardless of whether or not his initial, internal motive for choosing to lie was rooted in a desire to gain publicity or a desire to avoid embarrassment or whatever.

 

[NationalTitles18]

If it is true that this hoax has been going on since Nov 2009, I am going to have to reconsider whether we landed on the moon. Maybe massively complex conspiracy theories are possible after all.

That's what they want ​you to think!

 

[FriendlyIrish]

I was referring to the guilt regarding the result of the action as opposed to the initial intent. If you leave a bar and attempt to drive home drunk after having one or two too many, it's a safe bet that you didn't intend to kill anyone when you got behind the wheel. That doesn't mean that you aren't guilty - as a direct result of your choices - of at least manslaughter if not murder.

When Manti began lying about his girlfriend in interviews and appearances that were specifically designed to promote his publicity then he became guilty of lying to promote his own publicity - regardless of whether or not his initial, internal motive for choosing to lie was rooted in a desire to gain publicity or a desire to avoid embarrassment or whatever.

Well, it's not murder, because murder requires premeditation and deliberation. You don't premeditate and deliberate to kill someone if you get in the car drunk. If you are drunk driving, it's manslaughter.

That was kind of what I meant with the whole knowingly thing. I just am not ready to say that he knowingly fabricated something in order to promote his publicity. I believe that he was extremely embarrassed b/c it was an online relationship, and never said anything about it.

As far as the meeting thing, he will admit to lying about that. He already kind of did, if you read his statement he said he was "embarrassed." Kind of insinuating he was lying about it. Either way, it sucks as an Irish fan, and I hope he can one day get past this.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Did Te'o move to Brazil by any chance?

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/16/brazilian-website-creates-fake-girlfriends/?intcmp=features

 

[cuda.1973]

Assembling a timeline of the Kekua-Te'o relationship is difficult. As Te'o's celebrity swelled, so did the pile of inspirational stories about his triumph over loss. Each ensuing story seemed to add yet another wrinkle to the narrative, and details ran athwart one another. Here is the general shape of things, based on occasionally contradictory media accounts:

2010-2011: Te'o and Kekua are friends. "She was gifted in music, multi-lingual, had dreams grounded in reality and the talent to catch up to them" (South Bend Tribune). "They started out as just friends," Te'o's father, Brian, told the Tribune in October 2012. "Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there."

Just because he says they were friends, back in 2010 (or met in 2009), doesn't make it true. It will be interesting if they can dig up any evidence how far back it goes, or if they just cooked it up recently, and added "color commentary", to make it sound believable.

Oh, wait................someone did some digging!

Manti Te'o and Lennay Kekua did not meet at Stanford in 2009. The real beginning of their relationship apparently occurred on Twitter, as an encounter between @MTeo_5 and @lovalovaloveYOU, on Oct. 10, 2011.

Man, it just gets better and better.............

 

[cuda.1973]

Either way, it sucks to be an Irish fan, and I hope he can one day get past this.

FIFY!

"Mrs. Tweedy............Mrs. Tweedy...............the chickens are revolting!"
"Finally, something we can agree upon."

Sorry, bub............I have 39 years of grief, from all my ND relatives, to unload. Nothing personal.

 

[BornABamaFan]

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

Every time ESPN replays that Gene Woj interview I laugh hysterically. Is that weird?

I'm beginning to lean more towards Teo having some significant psychological issues watching that interview. His mannerisms, eye movement, and dramatic embellishments of detail are that of a pathological liar or the like, knowing what we know now.

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

Also, as I'm sure somebody has already said, if this is truly a hoax, then let's get to the bottom of who would do such a thing. I know I would want to find the person who made me a public embarrassment.

Turn over some phone records, etc. and let's find the perpetrators. I know some NFL teams have access to the best private investigators in the business and will do just this.

I think we all know how this is going to turn out.

Regardless, tough to get any respect in an NFL locker room after this. Gotta hurt his draft stock as much or more than the Lacy Express.

 

[KrAzY3]

With that said it is very possible for this young man to meet someone on the internet and fall in love with that person without ever meeting them.

You don't say you met someone you never met. It's as simple as that. You can rationalize almost everything, in terms of him falling for someone he never met, etc... but to lie about it and use it to try and gain sympathy? No excuse, no justification, and that's all there it to it.

Gene Wojciechowski of SI says he interviewed Te'o in October and asked if he could call Kekua's family and was told her family didn't want to talk about the subject. He also asked if he could get a picture of Kekua, and Te'o said her family wouldn't want any pictures published. This was two months before Te'o alleges to discover that he was duped.

Anyone who is trying to cover for him should pay attention and consider these facts. Manti was clearly covering this up at this point.

We also know that ESPN and Notre Dame has been sitting on this story for a while. Ridiculous, inexcusable, and they have about as much credibility as Manti at this point.

Here is my updated timeline on what will happen.

A: They are going to continue with this whole, Manti was duped thing until ESPN and Notre Dame gets deadspinned again. People will put together a timeline showing how Manti and his family lied about this at various points, and probably throw in the fact that ESPN and Notre Dame was sitting on this story rather than releasing it. Eventually ESPN will have to admit that Manti lied, unless we just see journalism sink to a new low.

B: Then, we will find out Manti is gay. I'm thinking he might be, but that won't matter because he will be regardless. At that point, the only way for everyone to save face and continue the narrative is to pretend that Manti played a part in this hoax just to cover up his homosexuality. This will become another sympathy story of a gay football player trying to cope in a homophobic world. Cue more tears...

I don't like Notre Dame, but I respect them for what they have accomplished. But, the way that they have handled this reeks of an institution that is used to covering things up and getting away with it.

I went from denial, to anger, to depression, then actually said "if ND is behind this I will stop rooting for ND football."

I couldn't go that far if it was Alabama, but they certainly need fans like you to hold them accountable and clean things up. At least that's my perspective.

 

[Bamabww]

A wise man once told me to always tell the truth and it would stand on its on. If you tell a lie, you have to keep propping it up with other lies.

 

[MattinBama]

This quote from Pat Forde's article that I think may be the case:

Thanks for your spin-terest in our forum.

 

[JPT4Bama]

Every time ESPN replays that Gene Woj interview I laugh hysterically. Is that weird?

I'm beginning to lean more towards Teo having some significant psychological issues watching that interview. His mannerisms, eye movement, and dramatic embellishments of detail are that of a pathological liar or the like, knowing what we know now.

As much as it pains me....I have to agree. :biggrin: This dude has some serious issues that require serious help.