Deion Belue Speed?
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Re: Deion Belue
well not saying that he's not fast but i truly doubt he runs a true 4.3.. but i'd take fastest on the team though..
well not saying that he's not fast but i truly doubt he runs a true 4.3.. but i'd take fastest on the team though..
Re: Deion Belue
A 4.30 is probably a big stretch. You have to give Bill Curry credit when he said that 40 times were dramatically overstated.
Just for comparison... last year at the NFL Combine, with effectively the top 300 college prospects in attendance, a grand total of four players ran a time under 4.40, and keep in mind that was also done on a fast surface.
Truth be told, legitimate 4.30 speed is practically unheard of. At any given time there are approximately 10,000 Division 1-A football players on scholarship, and in most years you would be hard-pressed to find more than a handful of guys who could legitimately post anything in the ballpark of a 4.30, and truthfully most of the guys who could legitimately do it are the track stars parading around in a football uniform (e.g. Trindon Holiday).
I don't really have any doubt that Belue will be one of the fastest guys on the team, if not the fastest, but I'll have to see a 4.30 with my own eyes before I believe it.
A 4.30 is probably a big stretch. You have to give Bill Curry credit when he said that 40 times were dramatically overstated.
Just for comparison... last year at the NFL Combine, with effectively the top 300 college prospects in attendance, a grand total of four players ran a time under 4.40, and keep in mind that was also done on a fast surface.
Truth be told, legitimate 4.30 speed is practically unheard of. At any given time there are approximately 10,000 Division 1-A football players on scholarship, and in most years you would be hard-pressed to find more than a handful of guys who could legitimately post anything in the ballpark of a 4.30, and truthfully most of the guys who could legitimately do it are the track stars parading around in a football uniform (e.g. Trindon Holiday).
I don't really have any doubt that Belue will be one of the fastest guys on the team, if not the fastest, but I'll have to see a 4.30 with my own eyes before I believe it.
Re: Deion Belue
I agree with BET - 40 times at camps are pretty much useless. The only legitimate times are at the NFL combine which is electronically timed.
Not only were there only 4 guys at the '09 combine who were in the 4.3's, they were all WRs and only one (Hayward-Bey) was a 4.30. I think the odds of Belue equaling that time is extraordinarily unlikely, and if he did then he would probably be a track star. My guess is that Belue probably ran in the 4.4-4.5 range which is excellent for a CB. The fastest CB at the '09 combine ran a 4.46 and there were only 9 CBs under 4.5. The fastest safety ran a 4.41, but there were only 2 safeties timed under 4.5. Only 1 LB (Aaron Curry) under 4.6-he ran 4.56.
This idea that RB's, CB's, Safties, LB's, etc. all have to have 4.4 speed or better to be a star is just an urban legend. The reason I'm high on Belue is that Coach Saban watched him in person and offered him on the spot. It really doesn't matter how many stars he has or what his 40 time is.
I agree with BET - 40 times at camps are pretty much useless. The only legitimate times are at the NFL combine which is electronically timed.
Not only were there only 4 guys at the '09 combine who were in the 4.3's, they were all WRs and only one (Hayward-Bey) was a 4.30. I think the odds of Belue equaling that time is extraordinarily unlikely, and if he did then he would probably be a track star. My guess is that Belue probably ran in the 4.4-4.5 range which is excellent for a CB. The fastest CB at the '09 combine ran a 4.46 and there were only 9 CBs under 4.5. The fastest safety ran a 4.41, but there were only 2 safeties timed under 4.5. Only 1 LB (Aaron Curry) under 4.6-he ran 4.56.
This idea that RB's, CB's, Safties, LB's, etc. all have to have 4.4 speed or better to be a star is just an urban legend. The reason I'm high on Belue is that Coach Saban watched him in person and offered him on the spot. It really doesn't matter how many stars he has or what his 40 time is.
pure speed is great but you are beginning to see guys with 4.4-4.5 speed but with great acceleration and shiftiness becoming game breakers. it makes them look faster then they are. see percy harvin. But having said that it doesnt hurt to have someone with true speed. I remember Alexander Wright from Auburn who excelled in college due to that speed. One of the fastest players to play college football ever. But once he got to the NFL it didnt mean squat.
Something even more telling is to look at the legit 40 times of the 2009 1st rounders at CB, Safety, WR, RB, and LB.
4. Aaron Curry - OLB- 4.56
7. Heyward-Bey - WR - 4.30
10. Crabtree - WR - "DNP" - Timed at 4.55 elsewhere.
12. Moreno - RB - 4.62
14. Malcolm Jenkins - CB - 4.54
15. Cushing - OLB - 4.74
18. Ayers - LB - "DNP" - reported 4.8 elsewhere.
19. Maclin - WR - 4.48
22. Harvin - WR - 4.41
25. Vontae Davis - CB - 4.49
26. Matthews - OLB - 4.67
27. Brown - RB - 4.51
29. Nicks - WR - 4.63
30. Britt - WR - 4.56
31. Beanie Wells -RB - 4.59
Keep in mind that Al Davis's senility is the only reason Heyard-Bey was taken in the 1st round. He was considered 2nd or 3rd round as a project by most teams.
Discounting Heyward-Bey, the fastest WR is 4.41 with three first round WR's over 4.5 and likely two 1st Round WRs were over 4.6. Crabtree at #11 is almost certainly over 4.6 if he ran 4.55 at a camp or other combine. Interestingly, three of the 4.3 receivers did not go in the first round, and that says a lot.
No 1st round LB's had 4.4 speed. Curry was the best at 4.54 but three other 1st round LBs were 4.6 or worse.
The first CB taken at #14 ran a 4.54.
The best RB time in the 1st round was a 4.51. The highest RB taken was Moreno with a 4.62.
To say 40 times are overrated is an understatement.
4. Aaron Curry - OLB- 4.56
7. Heyward-Bey - WR - 4.30
10. Crabtree - WR - "DNP" - Timed at 4.55 elsewhere.
12. Moreno - RB - 4.62
14. Malcolm Jenkins - CB - 4.54
15. Cushing - OLB - 4.74
18. Ayers - LB - "DNP" - reported 4.8 elsewhere.
19. Maclin - WR - 4.48
22. Harvin - WR - 4.41
25. Vontae Davis - CB - 4.49
26. Matthews - OLB - 4.67
27. Brown - RB - 4.51
29. Nicks - WR - 4.63
30. Britt - WR - 4.56
31. Beanie Wells -RB - 4.59
Keep in mind that Al Davis's senility is the only reason Heyard-Bey was taken in the 1st round. He was considered 2nd or 3rd round as a project by most teams.
Discounting Heyward-Bey, the fastest WR is 4.41 with three first round WR's over 4.5 and likely two 1st Round WRs were over 4.6. Crabtree at #11 is almost certainly over 4.6 if he ran 4.55 at a camp or other combine. Interestingly, three of the 4.3 receivers did not go in the first round, and that says a lot.
No 1st round LB's had 4.4 speed. Curry was the best at 4.54 but three other 1st round LBs were 4.6 or worse.
The first CB taken at #14 ran a 4.54.
The best RB time in the 1st round was a 4.51. The highest RB taken was Moreno with a 4.62.
To say 40 times are overrated is an understatement.
Well, I think the real issue is not that 40 times are overrated, but that they are overstated.
I don't think anyone these days would question the value of raw speed, it's just that our perception of what is "fast" has been totally warped. People just throw it around like sub-4.4's are common, and they act like if you are a skill position player and you run a 4.45 that you have pretty middling speed. In reality, though, that's just not true. Being honest, a legitimate 4.45 is blazing speed, and sub-4.4's are practically unheard of. Hell, honestly, if you are a skill position player and you can run under a 4.55, you have some serious wheels.
Again, I don't think 40 times are overrated, it's just that our perception of what a "good" 40 time is has been vastly overstated.
What about 400 times?
I posted a blistering 48.80 at state and they have it timed by the FAT laser timings... PR'd the 400 too, so thats a 4.88 ten times, back to back to back to back to back (you get it) forties...
I posted a blistering 48.80 at state and they have it timed by the FAT laser timings... PR'd the 400 too, so thats a 4.88 ten times, back to back to back to back to back (you get it) forties...
It seems to me that I would be more interested in seeing what someone ran after playing 40 or 50 plays in 80 or 90 degree heat and needed to chase down a RB or WR heading for a TD.
I remember seeing Kareem Jackson running down an Ole Sis RB and saving a TD last year (although it was early in the game). KJ's 40 speed was about the same as the OM RB, but there is no question he outran him and saved a TD. My point is that 40 times are greatly overstated in too many cases for HS recruits, and somewhat overrated if you cannot do it in a game situation.
The bottom line is that CNS thinks Deion is worth a scholarship and that tells me all I need to know.
I remember seeing Kareem Jackson running down an Ole Sis RB and saving a TD last year (although it was early in the game). KJ's 40 speed was about the same as the OM RB, but there is no question he outran him and saved a TD. My point is that 40 times are greatly overstated in too many cases for HS recruits, and somewhat overrated if you cannot do it in a game situation.
The bottom line is that CNS thinks Deion is worth a scholarship and that tells me all I need to know.
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If the kid was "clocked" running a 4.3, and legitimately runs a 4.4-4.45, well I'd say that gives him a good shot at perhaps the fastest on the team. Hell maybe he really is at sub 4.4.
Regardless, while he's a bit raw as either a DB or even WR, being 5'11-6'0 and having that type of speed, along with the Alabama commitment, I think should make put him in heavy consideration for a 4th star.
Regardless, while he's a bit raw as either a DB or even WR, being 5'11-6'0 and having that type of speed, along with the Alabama commitment, I think should make put him in heavy consideration for a 4th star.
I don't think longer distance times really don't equate well to football. The top end speed is probably the same for someone who runs a 4.4 and a 4.55. The only real difference is the first 3-5 steps
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I guess he also created Tim Tebow! What will happen if he runs out of creations?
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I guess he also created Tim Tebow! What will happen if he runs out of creations?
:BigA:He was clocked at 4.30 at the summer camp ! I will not argue about how correct the timing was? If it was correct that is absoluted blazing speed! I have heard he is faster than Miliner who ran a 4.37 and he is the the top corner in the U.S. according to rivals! Never the less sub 4.4 is blazing fast in my opinion! He has a amazing upside or Saban would not have offered so quickly!
Milliner ran a sub 4.3 in T-Town. And Belue beat Milliner in the state championships for the 100M by 0.02 sec. They are very similar speedwise.
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Scout.com: Deion Belue Profile
Earlier this summer Scout did report Blue ran a 4.30 in a timed sprint. Not really sure how accurate that is. :BigA:
"He just ran a 4.3 40 at the Alabama camp," Scout.com 20 June 2009 - Just quoting the Source.
Ht: 6-0 Wt: 165 40: 4.30
Position: DB
Year: Class of 2010
High School: Deshler HS
(Tuscumbia, AL)
2009 NFL Combine: Fastest 40-Yard Dash Times - Here are some of the fastest forty-yard dash times at 2009 NFL combine:
1. Knox, Johnny 4.25 - WR
2. Butler, Deon 4.26 - WR
2008 NFL Combine in Indianapolis:
1. Branch, Tyvon - 4.24 seconds
2. King, Justin - 4.29
3. Bowman, Zackary - 4.34
4. Chris Johnson - 4.24
Earlier this summer Scout did report Blue ran a 4.30 in a timed sprint. Not really sure how accurate that is. :BigA:
"He just ran a 4.3 40 at the Alabama camp," Scout.com 20 June 2009 - Just quoting the Source.
Ht: 6-0 Wt: 165 40: 4.30
Position: DB
Year: Class of 2010
High School: Deshler HS
(Tuscumbia, AL)
2009 NFL Combine: Fastest 40-Yard Dash Times - Here are some of the fastest forty-yard dash times at 2009 NFL combine:
1. Knox, Johnny 4.25 - WR
2. Butler, Deon 4.26 - WR
2008 NFL Combine in Indianapolis:
1. Branch, Tyvon - 4.24 seconds
2. King, Justin - 4.29
3. Bowman, Zackary - 4.34
4. Chris Johnson - 4.24
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:BigA: Thanks Bama Irishman for backing me up! This kind of speed is unreal ! That is why Saban instantly offered him a schlorship! I think his stock will rise dramatically his senior year! Everyone will be offering and I hope he remains solid to the tide! I think Saban is a genius at finding these hidden talents! Take Brandon Hester!!!! :BigA:
I've never understood the concept of 40 times. When in a game do guys ever run 40 yards in underarmor?
90% of all plays happen within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Have the guys throw on pads, and let them run 10 yard sprints. Those first ten yards are all you need to know about, that's where the speed is, in the reaction time.
90% of all plays happen within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Have the guys throw on pads, and let them run 10 yard sprints. Those first ten yards are all you need to know about, that's where the speed is, in the reaction time.
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