Disappointing weekend

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It's hard to believe that we were 13-9 in the SEC and on the verge of making a serious run in the standings a mere two weeks ago. I suppose that just goes to demonstrate the drastic changes that are capable of occurring over the course of a single weekend in this conference. I fully believe that we were whipped by a better team this weekend, but we still underachieved and failed to play to our potential, and in doing so managed to put ourselves in a very unfavorable position, having to ride a five-game losing streak (the longest of the Wells era) into the season finale on the road in Starkville. The good news first, because there's not much of it:

THE GOOD:
*Brent Carter was superb on Friday night, going 8.2 on the hill, allowing just a pair of runs off six hits. Unfortunately, our bats took the night off and provided Brent with absolutely no run support, and the sophomore southpaw was dealt his fifth loss on the season even though he was clearly undeserving of such a fate. Although his overall record stands at a respectable, but not spectacular 8-5, it will be a travesty if Brent is denied All-SEC recognition for his tremendous efforts.

*Zac Welch continues to impress with his glovework at first base. Both Allen Rice and Adam Pavkovich made some true highlight-reel plays over the weekend as well. With only a couple exceptions, the defense was pretty solid overall for the series.

*Travis Garner had a big day at the plate on Sunday, as he made up for 3/4 of our total offensive output, cranking his second bomb of the season, which turned out to be our only run of the afternoon. Travis' three hit performance extended his hitting streak to fifteen games, which is even more impressive when you consider the fact that it isn't even his longest hitting streak of the season (18).

*Beau Hearod blasted a pair of homeruns in the Saturday loss, his first since the UAB win at Sewell-Thomas, to move back into a tie atop the league lead with Arkansas CF Ryan Fox with 18 on the year.

THE BAD:
*Throughout the weekend, this team showed very little intensity on the field and the overall lack of fire was reflected in the outcome. You have to give South Carolina credit, because they are a talented and well-coached ballclub, but the ho-hum display from the Tide this weekend was perhaps one of the most disappointing I have seen in a home SEC series, especially considering the postseason implications that were on the line. This series marked only the second time we have been swept in a conference series in Tuscaloosa since Coach Wells' arrival.

*We started to show some signs of life at the plate on Saturday after a two-week power outage, but once again, it was the timely hitting that somehow escaped us. Throw in some absolutely pathetic and incompetent umpiring, bonehead baserunning mistakes, failure to get a bunt down on two pitches then watching strike three go by, and a number of other little mistakes here and there, and we completely waste our opportunities to take advantage of situations and win the ballgame. We were hitting Marchbanks hard, but simply could not advance the runners. Under no circumstances should one of the slowest guys on the team try to stretch what would have otherwise been a stand-up double into a triple when even your fastest of baserunners would have been gunned down at third, especially against a talented outfield like South Carolina's. That costly play was either the fault of the runner or the third base coach, but I am not certain as to which one was responsible. The bad thing about it is that the next hitter, Charlie Lyons, proceeded to double off the wall, which would have scored the runner and tied the game at that point.

*Obviously Coach Wells wasn't convinced that Tankersley's recent struggles were reason enough to give him a rest and replace him in the rotation, at least temporarily. Tank was sharp over the first four frames, but in the fifth, it was the same old story. He got two outs and ran into a brick wall. USC batted around and the lefty was forced to throw 37 pitches before mercifully being relieved after allowing five runs on six hits, with three walks and three strikeouts. Even with the recent success of our long relief in conference play, Wells turned to the SEC's best closer to try and salvage the game in the fifth. Unfortunately, that plan pretty much backfired as well. I don't claim to know a fraction of what Coach Wells knows about baseball, but I would like someone just to please explain the rationale behind some of his pitching decisions. Saturday was mind-boggling, as was Sunday, to a lesser extent. First of all, Woodward has been lights-out in conference play, yet he never left the pen all weekend. If you've got a capable long reliever and a dominant closer, why defy all logic and go completely against what has been working for you all season? Reed is a closer, and he is one of the best in the country. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm not bashing Coach, I'm just curious as to what he was thinking at the time. As for Tank - he is one of the top pitchers in the nation, but the simple fact is that his arm is tired. He's a fierce competitor and will likely push himself to the limit no matter what, but when you have a pitcher with that kind of tremendous talent but is experiencing some serious problems, it seems to me that it has to reach a point where sending the kid out there under those circumstances is not only detrimental to the team, but also to his confidence and his future. It may be in our best interests to relegate him to the pen against State and save his arm for the tournament. As thin as our pitching is, the bottom line is that we aren't going anywhere without him regardless. Perhaps an extended rest will at least help Tank in the short run and at the same time give us a better shot at success in Hoover.

*Third base continues to be our Achilles' heel defensively. Bush is better suited to middle infield and Meiners is a first baseman/catcher. Teams can drop bunts down the line all day on us with 100% success, and South Carolina did just that.


*Seth Johnson wasn't particularly sharp on Sunday, but it didn't make much of a difference since Travis Garner was the only player in the lineup who contributed anything at the plate anyway, with the exception of an opposite field single from Zac Welch.

This was unfortunately yet another truly forgettable series and this team needs to wake up and start playing like they know they are capable of playing. You don't beat teams like Rice and annihilate Arkansas for 30 runs in a weekend without having some potential. We've got our backs against the wall this weekend, and cannot afford to go over to face on of the best teams in the conference amidst on of the more hostile crowds in the nation in a must-win situation. Nothing is guaranteed at this point, but this is the entire season right here. Another showing like this weekend's and we won't even be playing in Hoover, much less a regional. Tennessee pulled off the sweep of Arkansas and currently stands at 13-14, tied with us and Arkansas, but with the tiebreaker advantage for purposes of seeding. Tennessee closes out the season on the road at Vanderbilt, but may be challenged for the #2 spot from the East by Florida, despite the Gators being swept by Ole Miss this weekend. UF stands at 11-15-1, and must at least win two of three at home against Kentucky. The either need help from Vanderbilt or need us or Arkansas to lose our respective series'.

Current seedings:
1. LSU 18-8-1
2. South Carolina 14-11
3. Auburn 16-11*
4. Ole Miss 16-11*
5. Mississippi State 15-11
6. Tennessee 13-14
7. Alabama 13-14
8. Arkansas 13-14
*Auburn and Ole Miss play next weekend

On the outside looking in:
9. Florida 11-15-1
10. Vanderbilt 11-16

We pretty much need LSU to at least secure a win against Arkansas and not deliberately tank the final series the way they did two years ago in order to keep us out of the tournament. There is no bad blood between the two schools anymore, I like our LSU faithful on this board, and if the Bayou Bengals could just take care of business against Arkansas, I'd appreciate it.

Hypothetical scenarios for next weekend

East:
Vanderbilt (11-16):
Must sweep Tennessee and have Florida lose one to UK to finish second in the East. Vandy wins just two and they are out of luck.

Tennessee (13-14):
Needs to win two over Vandy and have UK beat Florida to clinch second in the East. Win just one, they will still need one UF loss to finish second. If swept, they need UF to lose two to UK OR have Alabama or Arkansas be swept. Tennessee holds a tiebreaker over Bama and Arkansas.

Florida (11-15-1):
If UF sweeps UK, and Vandy sweeps UT, they clinch second place in the East. If UF loses once to UK, they need Vandy to sweep UT AND have either Arkansas or Bama be swept. If UF sweeps UK and Vandy wins two over UT, UF is in.

West:
Alabama (13-14):
Win two or sweep at MSU and we're in.
If we win one at MSU, UF sweeps UK and UT wins at least one against Vandy, we will need Arkansas to lose at least two.
We are out if: We lose twice or get swept and Arkansas sweeps LSU, UF sweeps UK, and UT wins at least one against Vandy.
If we get swept, we would need UK to win two against UF OR Tennessee win once over Vandy.
If both Alabama and Arkansas are swept, we are still in unless Vandy sweeps UT and Florida wins at least two over UK.

Arkansas (13-14):
Have no tiebreaker advantage except over Vandy
Need UT to win one over Vandy AND have Florida lose twice to UK
If Vandy sweeps UT and UF wins two over UK, Arkansas would need to win one over LSU.
If UT sweeps Vandy and UF sweeps UK, Arkansas would need to finish with one more win than Bama.
If UT wins two over Vandy, Arkansas could still be swept and qualify if UF loses twice to UK.
If UF wins two over UK, Arkansas would still have to win one over LSU.
If UF wins two and Arkansas is swept, the Hogs are out. If Vandy sweeps UT, the Hogs have to win once over LSU. If Vandy sweeps UT and UF wins two over UK, Arkansas would have to win once and have Bama be swept.

Confusing enough?
Florida and Vanderbilt have it the worst and must sweep in order to stay alive. I'd rather not count on someone else's help, though, and cap off the regular season by beating down the Bullies next weekend.

RTR


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"When we put on that Alabama uniform, we felt like superheroes."
--Roberto Vaz, 5/10/03

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JoJo,
If the whole law school thing doesn't work out, try sports editor.
Obviously, I'm a bit perplexed by the decision to bring in Reed instead of Woody in the 5th yesterday. I just can't find the logic in it. Coach Wells faithfully follows opposite hand pitchers out of the pen, so today wasn't that big of a surprise. However, what if today were to come down to the wire and we needed a closer in the 8th? With Jared pitching as well as he has in his last 4 games, I just don't understand leaving him unused.
I just hope we pitch some guys Tuesday that need the work. The Jax State game means diddley now, and we must win at least one in Starkville.
Right now, the book on us is throw a lefty and bunt to 3rd. That's really all it takes at this time. It's got to improve or my next post will be about the 2004 team.


RTR
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I agree 38. When Reed first came out of the pen on Saturday, I thought that CJW had decided to use him to close out the 5th. In some cases, it is better to use the closer to get yourself out of a potentially game ending situation earlier than the 8th or 9th. I was expecting to see either Woody or Norris in the 6th after that.

By the way, what is the story on Ponder? Is he still ailing?
 
You guys are in late season trouble again, due to tired, worn out arms. Flame me if you like, but I'll say what none of you want to say - the problem is in the duggout. When a Head Coach has to pull all the strings (call all pitches, make game playing situations, call offensive & defensive plays, making pitching decisions in the middle of a game, etc..) mistakes are going to be made. Nobody has this type of ability. Anyone who has coached before understands what I'm saying. Yet, this is exactly what is happening in the Alabama duggout. Watch a game from the opposing side of the field and you'll see what I mean. Gatewood, Watkins and the other guy (?) do nothing until Wells tells them. You guys are missing Butler and Gaspard TREMENDOUSLY.

Some decisions this year seem to make no sense whatsoever. You take a catcher (one of your 7 ?? ) and put him in the outfield. You take another catcher and put him at thirdbase. How many opposing SEC coaches would not try to take advantage of these types of moves? I'd bunt you to death when Meinors is at third. One of Alabama's problems is they have about 4 DH's who are trying to be hid in your defensive positions. It's hard for me to know without being at all the games, but has Bush played so badly that he is a liablity. Or, what about Beagle? Both are good defensive players and can hit.

Your starting pitchers are shot if they don't get some rest very soon (like NOW). I cannot fathom the pitching decisions made this year. You cannot tell me that Mennen, Legg, Ponder and Marlowe couldn't have given you, at the least, two or three quality innings during the weekends or midweek to rest some arms. I've seen all of them pitch in high school and there is little reason they aren't being used, unless it is discipline in nature (and I don't think this is the case, because they all seemed to be good kids from good homes). Woodward has been a waste to the 2002 season. How could a pitcher be used so effectively for two years be religated to such a menial role this year? Yet, it is the same arms used every game. And, let me say Wells is not very well respected for giving the pitchers much rest on practice days, either. It is the reason that not many scouts want players with professional level skills at Alabama. Flame me if you like, but it is a FACT. Ask some of them. Here is an example: Cormier was hitting 91-92 consistently on a Stalker gun at the beginning of the 2001 season and 83-84 in the SEC tournament. Tankersley was hitting 91-92 earlier this year and pitching effectively. I was told he has been at 83-84 in his last outings. It don't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Watch MSU's pitchers this weekend and ask someone at MSU if they are tired or peaking. Most SEC pitchers are peaking, but yours are worn out because they have been overworked. You need a pitching coach.

As for your hitting, you had best hope for a new assistant coach with some hitting instruction skills. Alabama's offense hasn't been the same since Butler left. Yes, you have had some good hitters, but not a top to bottom lineup of hitters who will produce on a consistent basis. You also have some quality players who are not hitting anywhere near their capabilities. Something's wrong!

One bright spot seems to be that Garner has picked up his intensity. I'm glad to see this, because he has some ability that wasn't present in the earlier games I watched.
 
WarEagleBB,
Have you been sitting next to me at the games? Not only will you get flamed, but I will get flamed for agreeing with most of what you say. I wish you would change your handle. I will tell you that Ponder has been hurt and will get a report this week.
We do miss Mitch and Todd tremendously, and not just for instructional purposes.


RTR
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*As for the situation at third base, we have been in a serious bind since Sosa's injury in the preseason. Meiners was basically awarded the position by default after Evan Bush struggled severely to start the season. Bush is a talented infielder, but I don't believe he is best suited for the hot corner, at least not right now. His fielding percentage is sub-.800, which is not exactly what you are looking for. Immediately after assuming the starting role, Meiners did a decent job, for the most part; he made the routine plays, which was about all you could ask for from a 1B/DH/C. In recent weeks, however, his weaknesses at the position have been exposed by teams challenging him with the bunt. Both of the starters at third this season have unfortunately been plagued by defensive woes, but when you consider the offensive capabilities of the two, Meiners has to win out because we need his bat in the lineup.

*We do not have seven catchers. Hecklinski is a former backstop, but an injury suffered last season has prevented him from duty behind the plate. Lyons is a true freshman with minimal experience at the position, but I'd say that he has done an admirable job under the circumstances. Burns had the most experience and the highest expectations coming in, but has been hot and cold at the plate and mistake-prone defensively. Marshall is not a strong hitter and doesn't have the greatest arm, but he has primarily seen action in a limited role as a late-inning defensive replacement.

*I, too, am concerned about the arms of our starters, particularly Tankersley. Also, our bullpen has been used so sparingly, especially in the latter half of the season, to the point that bringing guys off the shelf at this point may potentially do more harm than good. Mennen had a couple rough outings in midweek relief and hasn't seen the light of day in weeks. Marlowe has logged a whopping total of three innings, all against MVSU. Legg has emerged here lately as another viable left-handed option, but still hasn't gotten enough work. I'm not sure what Ponder's status is at present, but he hasn't pitched in quite a while either. We need to use the Jax State game to give these guys some much-needed work.

*Are you sure you're a Barner and not some Tide fan who is too afraid of being flamed for stating what might be controversial opinions so you choose that username in hopes that you can get away with it that way? LOL.
 
A rough weekend for the Tide.
We just aren't hitting the ball like we have done in the past.
Also, we need to reward our pitchers with runs if they pitch as Carter did.
It is just sad.
I hope we can get into the SEC tourney and try to make some noise.
We need to wake the bats up!
 
38,
No, I haven't been sitting next to you, but maybe one day we'll do that. Hotdogs and cokes will be on me. My observations are what any good baseball guy would conclude after watching for a little while. Not to be overly critical, but the assistant coaching staff at UA seem to be only figureheads or puppets. I believe Jim Wells is a "pretty good" Head Coach trying to do too much. IMHO much of his success at UA is due to Butler and Gaspard, whom I believe to be very talented young coaches. I just don't see the same abilities in Watkins and Gatewood. No slam, just an oppinion based on observations in the last two years.

JoJo,
I like UA and their players. This team has more talent than they are showing, which tells me something is wrong from within.

I also am a limited supporter of AU baseball (don't like their FB, though). I admire their coaching staff and program. I think they do a lot of things correctly to help their players become better. I also am a professional scout (organization withheld for many reasons) who has watched a lot of these players through the years and feel I have some knowledge of their abilities. I hate to see promising futures ruined by poor development and lack of use. AU's staff does a good job (IMHO) and UA's is lacking of recent days.

A few notes and observations:

Look for Pavkovich to turn pro after the draft. Things look promising if his bat picks back up. Hearod also if someone can find a defensive position. The kid has a stick! Maybe someone can make a LFer out of him. He deserves a shot. Johnson has an outside chance at the draft.

UA's 2003 Recruits:
Salem and Bressoud will likely go early in this year's draft. Salem is 50/50 and Bressoud will likely never see a day at Alabama. He won't come without some assurrances from the UA staff of a starting position.

Denson, Paiml and Bentley are solid players that could help you in the future. Denson has a good arm and can pitch. He reminds me a lot of Cormier. Paiml is solid defensively with a plus arm, good range and hits well. Possibly the best SS in the state this year. Bentley is a good hitter, but limited to a 1B role. With Welch solidly planted at 1B he will likely be a redshirt next year, but has promise. He is big, strong and hits from the leftside.

Grooms could be an immediate impact player next year. IMHO Grooms, Salem and Beagle would make a pretty good 2004 outfield. Belcher has some promise, but is a future player looking at probable 2004 redshirt. Don't know much about the others.

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I'm a long time reader of TideFans, first time post.

I watched the Saturday game on the tube, and I went to the game on Sunday, and it was a disappointment to watch. I do think South Carolina was the better team, but I didn't expect a sweep, especially with how big of a weekend this was for the Tide.

I've read a couple of complaints posted over the past couple of days, and I'm here just to address a few of them.

First, the kid who got thrown out trying to stretch the double into a triple, I believe it was Meiners. You can't blame him for trying to be aggressive. Coaches love aggressive players. It was not a boneheaded baserunning mistake. It took a perfect relay to nail him. I loved the play -- it was baseball at its finest -- all around. It was a calculated risk, and it just didn't work out for the Tide. Of course, what hurts the most about that play is Lyons doubles off the wall. Hindsight's 20/20, so don't jump on his case because he was being aggressive. At the time, Meiners was showing a lot more effort than some of the other guys did this weekend.

Second, bringing Reed in on Sunday during the 5th inning I thought was a good move. Sometimes, coaches look to stop the bleeding. If Reed comes in and gets us out of that inning, maybe he pitches another inning. Then we've got Woodward to finish out the game. The end of the game was played out in the fifth. The game is played in 9 innings, but the actual logic and strategy of the game may happen in the 1st inning or the 8th. I think Wells made the right decision bringing in Reed because in his mind and mine, that was when the game was played.

Third, how can you get mad at the 3B trying to get the out instead of throwing home? I'm not picking on Meiners, but he just happened to be in the middle of some plays this weekend. Players are taught to get the sure out, and in this case, the sure out was to first base. First, Meiners was not playing in or even with the bag with the runner on third; he was a couple of steps behind the bag. Second, he did a good job just to knock it down and keep further damage from happening. Finally, I'm not sure if you saw the angle that he had to throw home, but it was almost an impossible angle to throw around the baserunner to the plate without hitting the runner. He made the right decision and the right play. Again, it was bad luck against the Tide that it didn't work out for us.

And one more point, there was a play that happened during the Sunday game. South Carolina had a runner on first, and the batter hit a seeing-eyed single back up the middle for a base hit. As Garner was charging the ball, the runner was making his way easily into third. But I heard someone say behind the plate that he would rather Garner be taken out of the game before Johnson. And you wanna know why we don't have fans at the games? All I hear is criticism whethering I'm sitting in the stands or reading posts on this site. It's been a frustrating year for the Tide, I know, but we shouldn't be taking this out on the kids, especially the way Garner played yesterday. This guy wants to get on Garner for not making a throw to third. Gimme a break! We've got a bunch of grumpy old men sitting up in the stands cussing coaches and umpires when things don't go our way. It's time we all grow up a bit and lay off these guys and let them play.
 
FleetFooted,
First of all, welcome to the board. You are obviously a knowledgeable fan.

I was with you up until you said that all you read on this board was negativity. I believe that the people on this board are for the most part, just honest. I have seen very few instances where a player was blasted on here. Most of these players are very close friends of mine and they read this board. They always let me know when someone (including myself), steps over the line.

Other than that, your observations are valid. I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but they are very good points.

As other family members of players can attest, we hate sitting inside the stadium. I know the geezers you are refering to, and have never heard more spewing at college kids in my life. Players say that we have the worst fans in the SEC. It's a shame that a few have to ruin it. Case in point...I was watching Seth pitch a couple of weeks ago, and he was struggling a little bit. He balked a runner to second and one of our fans called him an idiot. I was livid. Several of us are often criticized for not coming in, but I'm afraid that I would be promptly escorted out.

Again, welcome to the board. You gave alot to think about.


RTR
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"...as for 38 nobody pays attention to him he just blows hot hair." -bustareed
 
FleetFooted,
First off welcome to the board.
Let me just say I respect your opinions, and I understand your frustration, cause I am frustrated too.
I don't have a probably with Meiners being aggresive, I just don't think it was smart baseball at the time and like you said hindsight is 20/20.
I respectfully disagree with the pitching change on saturday, but I understand where you are coming from. I also am just a fan, and I don't claim to know more than CJW, so I'll leave it at that.
Lastly whoever said Garner should be taken out is an idiot, cause he played his rear off this weekend.
RTR and let's beat the Bulldogs
TII
 
I wasn't specifically jumping on Meiners' case about trying to stretch the double into a triple. Was that his decision or was he being waved around? It very well could have been a coaching miscue and not his fault at all.

I'm all in favor of aggressive baseball, but in the past week or so, we have had three runners thrown out in similar situations, and in each instance it ended up costing us a run. Perhaps that is why Meiners' being thrown out makes it all the more frustrating. I'm not jumping on his case for being aggressive and I certainly agree that he played hard all weekend. However, I can't say that on that particular hit's location, with his speed and their outfield arms, that the risk of legging it out was worth it.

Although you bring up an interesting point, I still disagree with the decision to bring in Reed so early and leave him in so long. Woodward had stopped the bleeding in previous SEC long relief outings. Reed's last long relief effort, against LSU, was very similar to Saturday's. I understand your logic and you have a valid argument, but I would have elected to keep Reed in the pen to close it out. Why completely go against what has been working like a charm for you in favor of an option that has been less successful. You mentioned that if Reed gets us out of the fifth and works maybe another inning, we would've had Woodward the rest of the way. Obviously that wasn't what Coach Wells was thinking, or he would have actually brought in Woodward at some point instead of leaving Reed out there and ultimately having him suffer the L.

I was wrong in my assessment of Meiners' decision to throw to first if he did in fact have such a bad angle. From my viewpoint, I could not tell precisely. That makes more sense, now that you clarified that, and you are right, he did a good job just to knock the ball down and make the play to begin with. From my angle and distance, it appeared differently. One question, though - were there runners on first and third at the time?

Anyway, welcome to the board. Although I don't necessarily agree with all of your points, they obviously demonstrate that you do know what you are talking about.

RTR

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I did not see whether Gatewood tried to hold Meiners at second or not. Some of the people sitting around me said that he did and Meiners just ran through the stop sign. I don't know. Either way, it was a terrible decision as he was out by about 15 feet. On the play where he went to first, I was sitting where I had a great angle. Meiners did not have a perfect angle to throw home, but it was not so severe that he couldn't make the throw. Yes, Jojo, there were runners on first and third. When he came up and turned away from the plate, I thought he was going for the DP but then he threw to first. Throwing to first was probably a better idea than throwing to second because I do not think he would have gotten the runner at second.

Fleet, if you wre sitting where I think you were sitting, I know who you were talking about when you said that one grumpy old man wanted Garner removed from the game. If so, please try to ignore him. He is one that gripes when a pitcher has an 0-2 count on a batter and does not throw the next pitch in the strike zone. To me, that shows that he does not understand the game of baseball.

I must admit that I was one of those yelling at the umpires this weekend (particularly Saturday). Notice I said yelling and not cussing -- I don't want to get escorted out. The umpires this weekend deserved most of the heat that they took. On Friday, Tony Maners did a respectable job behind the plate. I thought Pak was out on the play at the plate and from my angle ( almost looking down third base line), I thought Zac's ball was foul. I have to defend the way that Maners handled the changing of the call. As soon as he realized that Nelson Graham blew the call, he started toward third base. He had to wait until Zac crossed the plate before he could go all the way to third and talk to Graham. When he got there he talked with Graham and announced the changed call.

Saturday's game was a different story. McElroy's strike zone was what I refer to as an amoeba strike sone -- constantly changing shapes. His call on Zac was horrible. There is no excuse for blowing that call. I still can't talk after that one. Later in the game, SC had a runner on first and the batter lined one into right field. The throw came in to third base and the runner slid through Meiners glove on the way to the base. Maners called him safe. While it was a terrible call, Maners took a lot of heat for McElroy's mistake. With a runner on first only, the plate umpire is supposed to rotate to third and make that call. McElroy never moved and Maners had to make the call from out of position. Between the pickoff play at first and the other horrendous calls this weekend, Nelson Graham clearly demonstrated that he belongs at the high school level at best. All weekend his positioning was wrong and he did not hustle to get into position to make a call. Zac's ball on Friday was a perfect example. Instead of getting his backside down the line for a better look, he just turned and watched the ball sail. When it left the park, he had no idea whether it was fair or foul. That is why he gave such a tentative call.

On Sunday, it wouldn't have mattered if we had had the best umpires from the major leagues working the game. We simply stunk.

By the way WarEagleBB, if you are going to buy hotdogs and cokes for 2 at the Joe, you better bring plenty of cash!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bamajake:
I did not see whether Gatewood tried to hold Meiners at second or not.
As soon as he realized that Nelson Graham blew the call, he started toward third base. He had to wait until Zac crossed the plate before he could go all the way to third and talk to Graham. When he got there he talked with Graham and announced the changed call.
Between the pickoff play at first and the other horrendous calls this weekend, Nelson Graham clearly demonstrated that he belongs at the high school level at best. All weekend his positioning was wrong and he did not hustle to get into position to make a call. Zac's ball on Friday was a perfect example. Instead of getting his backside down the line for a better look, he just turned and watched the ball sail. When it left the park, he had no idea whether it was fair or foul. That is why he gave such a tentative call.





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bamajake,
Gatewood waved Meiners. I clarified it again today. Just a bad move.
After watching the replay, the pickoff at first was a correct call. However, unless you see it in slow motion, there is no way of knowing it. Therefore, Graham couldn't have seen it. The runner was fooled badly, and that call usually goes to you at home.
Now that I know who you are, I will defer all of my umpiring questions to you.


RTR
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