"Duo" blocking scheme. We do it but so do others.

[Bamabuzzard]

I know many of us watch The Film Guy and he has said he didn't like the "duo" scheme we run on the Oline. He thinks thats more for NFL level and not college. However, we arent the only offense using this blocking scheme. I watched several games yesterday and the announcers made reference to the teams blocking scheme and it was "duo". So dont think we're the unicorn of college football and running some unique outdated blocking scheme. Im assuming when learned, an NFL level scheme is superior to a college scheme. The OL looked more in sync and functional yesterday in the run game, so maybe they're starting to "get it".

 

[JustNeedMe81]

That concept has been around for long time. Ohio State, Miss state under Joe Moorhead, and others. I'm not sure why Film Guy don't like it, but that's why I don't really take those podcast/youtube folks seriously at time.

 

[Bluegrasstide]

So it basically sounds like combo blocking, doubling the "bigs" working to backers. That is not a new concept, it could probably be argued that it is time proven. Even though I prefer a true gap scheme, I am for any scheme that allows our oline to experience success. There is a lot of beef up there to lean on someone in a double team.

 

[irvingtontide]

That concept has been around for long time. Ohio State, Miss state under Joe Moorhead, and others. I'm not sure why Film Guy don't like it, but that's why I don't really take those podcast/youtube folks seriously at time.

Said it requires better execution more of a nfl scheme. In college he prefers a counter or zone blocking if I’m remembering right.

 

[Methylred]

Isn't that basically the same mate blocking concept that Jeff Stoutland has been using forever?

 

[JDCrimson]

I think it initiates a double team block to slow the momentum of the rusher and then the assisting OL heads to the 2nd level while the primary OL maintains contain on the rusher.

 

[gtgilbert]

So it basically sounds like combo blocking, doubling the "bigs" working to backers. That is not a new concept, it could probably be argued that it is time proven. Even though I prefer a true gap scheme, I am for any scheme that allows our oline to experience success. There is a lot of beef up there to lean on someone in a double team.

yeah - this. he's entitled to his opinion on the approach, but we've been running essentially the same thing for years as have lots of other colleges, and honestly a lot of good HS teams do as well. It's not some exotic thing.

 

[bamamc1]

I guess they didn't run that at Shorter College where he played his college ball.

 

[cdub55]

I know many of us watch The Film Guy and he has said he didn't like the "duo" scheme we run on the Oline. He thinks thats more for NFL level and not college. However, we arent the only offense using this blocking scheme. I watched several games yesterday and the announcers made reference to the teams blocking scheme and it was "duo". So dont think we're the unicorn of college football and running some unique outdated blocking scheme. Im assuming when learned, an NFL level scheme is superior to a college scheme. The OL looked more in sync and functional yesterday in the run game, so maybe they're starting to "get it".

Michigan under Harbaugh mainstreamed it in college and it gained traction from there. Everyone and their momma runs inside zone, duo basically is inside zone but allows double teams to get more movement on interior DL. Not sure why he doesn't like it but it is a sound scheme and like almost everything, if executed correctly, can be very profitable.

 

[uafan4life]

Michigan under Harbaugh mainstreamed it in college and it gained traction from there. Everyone and their momma runs inside zone, duo basically is inside zone but allows double teams to get more movement on interior DL. Not sure why he doesn't like it but it is a sound scheme and like almost everything, if executed correctly, can be very profitable.

I think that's the key - if executed correctly.

He believes it requires a level of talent across the line that most collegiate offensive lines do not possess.

If you do, though...

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think that's the key - if executed correctly.

He believes it requires a level of talent across the line that most collegiate offensive lines do not possess.

If you do, though...

Yeah, I think that's what he is saying, that most college OL's don't have the physical talent to do it. But the type of talent Alabama should be recruiting, we should have the talent. Saturday it looked like the OL unit was working in more cohesiveness than anytime this season. Hopefully things are starting to click with them.

 

[colbysullivan]

Michigan under Harbaugh mainstreamed it in college and it gained traction from there. Everyone and their momma runs inside zone, duo basically is inside zone but allows double teams to get more movement on interior DL. Not sure why he doesn't like it but it is a sound scheme and like almost everything, if executed correctly, can be very profitable.

I thought Michigan did a bunch of “Pin and Pull” but I could be wrong

 

[mlh]

If he's so dang smart, why is he "the film guy" and not "the OC?"

 

[cdub55]

I thought Michigan did a bunch of “Pin and Pull” but I could be wrong

https://mgoblog.com/content/what-duo

With Duo the Running Back is reading the Mike linebacker. The Running Back will press the ‘B’ Gap and read the movement of the Mike. If the Mike plays over the top and outside of the second double team, the Running Back can bend it back to the first double team. If the Mike presses and steps up into the line of scrimmage the Running Back can bounce the play out and cut off the Tight End’s block.

Then Geoff Schwartz did a video about how to differentiate it from backside inside zone, and found Bob Wylie giving a seminar on it. So as you can imagine I was feeling a bit left out. Let’s fantasize for a moment that there’s any value I can add to these guys who know way more than I do, and draw it up.

THE CONCEPT

This play is not only a staple of the Harbaugh running game, but one he almost certainly took from Bo. Old timers, get your nodding muscles ready, because this is bar none the Schembechleriest play we’ve ever drawn here:



It’s called “Duo” or “Double” because of all the initial double-teams. On the above example from backup hour in the Hawaii game you can see both defensive tackles are getting doubled initially.

[Feeling the Bo yet? Hit the JUMP]

 

[gtgilbert]

Yeah, I think that's what he is saying, that most college OL's don't have the physical talent to do it. But the type of talent Alabama should be recruiting, we should have the talent. Saturday it looked like the OL unit was working in more cohesiveness than anytime this season. Hopefully things are starting to click with them.

as you noted, cohesion is the thing, and it does add an additional talent aspect to what each guy has to do. Sometimes the best 1v1 blocker might not be able to get the right feel for combo/duo blocking and it's hard to know that until they are in game (or very game like) situations.

 

[colbysullivan]

https://mgoblog.com/content/what-duo

Then Geoff Schwartz did a video about how to differentiate it from backside inside zone, and found Bob Wylie giving a seminar on it. So as you can imagine I was feeling a bit left out. Let’s fantasize for a moment that there’s any value I can add to these guys who know way more than I do, and draw it up.

THE CONCEPT

This play is not only a staple of the Harbaugh running game, but one he almost certainly took from Bo. Old timers, get your nodding muscles ready, because this is bar none the Schembechleriest play we’ve ever drawn here:



It’s called “Duo” or “Double” because of all the initial double-teams. On the above example from backup hour in the Hawaii game you can see both defensive tackles are getting doubled initially.

[Feeling the Bo yet? Hit the JUMP]

Thanks, I wasn't thinking that far back.

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

Pretty sure the long td run we gave up to vandy was off this type of block. Dlinemen got blocked into the sun and the safety got lost.