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Im not sure if its been posted, but the thing that concerned me is where Donnan talks about the coaches getting together and talking about what should be done at Bama. Heres the link http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1978113 . It makes me mad that all these schools pretended like they had nothing to do with it but now the truth is coming out.
 
From past accounts, it's been said that Fulmer had been facing a going over by the nz2a and did a quid pro quo by handing over Bama in order for the Johanningmeyer to look the other way.

That being said, it would be apparent that it would be in Phat Philm's best interest to organize a witch hunt by enlisting other coaches in the SEC to help him with his little deal with the devil. I truly believe that's what happened but at this point it's only guess work until both these trials play out. Of course, Visor Boy, having just been beaten 2 times in a single season by Bama, would have to jump on the bandwagon. And because of Spurrier's prestige, other coaches followed suit. Again, just guessing.
 
What scares me is that why would so called "boosters" be so scared that they had to try to buy players that might not even cut it on the field? Alabama should be Alabama, not "pay to play U".

Somethings stinks around Collegiate Athletics.
 
USA TODAY Donnan link...

Will whoever posted it, repost please? When I tried to merge the duplicate thread, it deleted the thread instead. Apologies...
 
wisten said:
What scares me is that why would so called "boosters" be so scared that they had to try to buy players that might not even cut it on the field? Alabama should be Alabama, not "pay to play U".
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A couple of thoughts on that--(1) We had a coach at the time that was clearly in over his head and desperate to win, at that point we had lost to UT what 5 times in a row?; (2) I have a sinking feeling that Means wasn't the first player out of Memphis that received improper benefits; and (3) There is a piece in "Turnaround" where the issue of paying players comes up, Coach Bryant says (not an exact quote) "We can't do that, I tried that at A&M and it doesn't work. The kids you pay will quit on you." I think it was documented in Turnaround if not definitely in "Junction Boys" that John David Crow at least was paid to attend A&M. Another reason to question the wisdom of paying players to me is the coach loses control. You know have given an 18 to 20 year old kid some leverage over you, don't think they won't use it. I suspect a lot of the "discipline" problems at certain schools stem from this, the coach is afraid to discipline certain kids too much.
 
Cap, I think that's a very accurate post. Most people would be shocked if they knew what really went on. For every "gifted" coach, or player, there are many more that aren't, but the pressure to perform is the same. Cheating then becomes an option to the ones without the strength of caracter to go about it the right way.
 
Oh,

I realize that. I was just providing the link, since I rubbed it out, or, rather, the software decided to try to read my mind. :rolleyes:
 
It's been a while since I've followed the details of the Memphis scandal. But reading that article and the collaboration between Fulmer, Spurrier, Donnan, Cutcliffe, and Nutt deciding Alabama needed to be investigated infuriates me.

I have one question though. Does anyone know how Hal Mumme fits into this? Or was he even involved?
 
Personally I was more concerned with what he said on the stand. I don't care what he said after his testimony in a courthouse hallway. He is just trying to get the light off him and Georgia and back on Bama.

I will say this again. Georgia was the leader to get Albert Means' signature right up until the last week. It was published and posted by all the recruiting analysts that Means was most likely signing with Georgia. Then as Donnan said, something to the efffect of, when he "found out" about LL asking for money he dropped Means. I "think," obviously I don't know, when he found out about Means really means when he found out the SEC knew about Means asking for money. Allegedly the SEC warned all schools involved with the exception of Alabama. This is all speculation on my part from remembering the Means recruiting situation. How could you be involved heavily with LL and Means and not know about them asking for money. If he really didn't know then all of this really could be lies and a setup.

Oh by the way. Georgia was in the lead to get David Paine to sign and I am pretty sure that it was even reported by Jamie Newberg and Border Wars the night before signing day that Paine told him he was going to sign with Georgia. Paine signed with Bama the day after or a few days after signing day. I specifically remember this situation because Paine was consider the top or one of the top DEs in the country and Means was considered the top or one of the top DTs in the country.
 
Former Georgia coach Jim Donnan told a jury Friday that he never offered money to a high school coach to try and get a commitment from his star football player.

All I've got to say is WHATEVER!
 
CrImSoNtIdE! said:
Former Georgia coach Jim Donnan told a jury Friday that he never offered money to a high school coach to try and get a commitment from his star football player.
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What did we expect Donnan to say? I'm not surprised he is covering is rearend. I've never given him much credibility in the first place.
 
Guys there isnt a coach in this country that is going to get on the stand and saqy that he offered money to any football player if he wants to keep his job or keep coaching for that matter. Donnan did just what they will all do and deny it until they die or stop coaching.
 
It is a fact that either Donnan is lying or Lang is lying. The way that I see it that means there were two possibilities. The first is that Donnan was lying and Lang was telling the truth. That would mean that all these coaches who had their hands in the cookie jar were discussing the Means case with Spurrier (who definitely wasn’t involved). Fulmer, Donnan, and Nutt weren’t about to admit that in front of him that they knew EXACTLY what happened to Means and the reason that they did know was because they were outbid. The other possibility was that Donnan was telling the truth and Lang was lying. In that case, how could you trust anything that Lang said, so the whole case against Alabama should have been thrown out. Either way, it doesn’t look good for that shining beacon on the hill.

Do you all agree with the way that I am interpreting this?
 
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