Exposing the Boise State myth

[Bamabuzzard]

IMO if we start allowing non-BCS conference teams such as BSU, TCU and Utah into the championship game with their type schedule we're opening pandora's box. Once a BSU or TCU (and has anyone looked at TCU's 2009 schedule? It was laughable) gets allowed in with their current schedules then basically what we're saying is "who you play" doesn't matter. We're also setting up an "affirmative action" type standard as well. Two teams are held to different standards to be able to be rewarded the same prize. One has to play a much tougher schedule the other isn't required to. It gives no incentive for these non-BCS teams to play anybody. Because we would have given credibility to their current schedules. BSU, TCU, UTAH etc. have "outgrown" their conferences. I understand it's not their fault. But what is their fault is the number of "quality teams" they play each year and the demands they put on the BCS OOC teams that are willing to play them but they're not going to play them according to their demands.

The danger we run in allowing a TCU into the BCS NCG (based on their 09 schedule) would be a 12-1 SEC Champion being left out because we've now put credibility into these team's schedules. So how would you feel if you started seeing a Boise St/TCU/Utah NCG on a routine basis. Because if you respect one of their undefeated seasons you've then dang near have to respect any there after. :frown:

 

[TidePrideGA]

They would struggle in the SEC. Same with TCU. They play in a weak conference and until they join a real one, they will get little if any respect from most college football fans.

 

[bamacpa70]

What a minute - since when do we only count BCS bowl wins? Bama has more bowl wins than any other program. Please don't sell Bama short with comments like that. It is the kind of thing that we hear from the media, as though football before the BCS or AP polls doesn't count.

If they demand a home/away, they will get few takers from big time programs. Why? How many fans from a BCS school east of the Mississippi would travel to Idaho to support their team in that tiny stadium? Big time programs don't schedule those types of games unless it benefits them, and BSU hasn't figured that out yet...

I'm not selling Bama short, just trying to see it from their point of view, not saying it is right or wrong. Based on what someone else posted in another thread, BSU has only been Div I since 1996 (not sure if that is true or not). It's not really fair to compare total bowls, and when comparing the current state of programs, the 1930 Rose Bowl really doesn't matter anyway. But since 1996 (their Div 1 history), they have won more major (i.e. Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Rose & BCSNC) bowl games than we, and most other Div I schools, have. Quite frankly, I think it's a valid point, relative to the respect they believe they deserve. Their conference strength is also a valid point, relative to the respect others believe they do not deserve.

 

[NYBamaFan]

... Rumor has it Bama was one of the 10 schools who were afraid to play us.

LOL - so Bama is afraid of BSU? Seriously? The rest of your post is wiped away by this stupid statement.

Go away...

 

[Crimson Cat]

mentioned it to a new poster in the non-sports forum... :biggrin:

Oooops...

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Boise St is the new kid that just moved into the neighborhood and sees the neighborhood kids who's lived in the neighborhood their entire life playing basketball at the local playground. The new kid walks up and wants to play. However, rather than going by the neighborhood kids rules to get "accepted" the new kid starts demanding that since he's playing this how we're going to do it. So the new kid gets run off and isn't allowed to play.

Boise St is the one trying to get accepted not us or the other BCS schools. I think the onus is on them to conform to the BCS school's standards not the other way around. If they don't want to do that then obviously they don't want to truly play. They just want to be treated "special".

I'm not selling Bama short, just trying to see it from their point of view, not saying it is right or wrong. Based on what someone else posted in another thread, BSU has only been Div I since 1996 (not sure if that is true or not). It's not really fair to compare total bowls, and when comparing the current state of programs, the 1930 Rose Bowl really doesn't matter anyway. But since 1996 (their Div 1 history), they have won more major (i.e. Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Rose & BCSNC) bowl games than we, and most other Div I schools, have. Quite frankly, I think it's a valid point, relative to the respect they believe they deserve. Their conference strength is also a valid point, relative to the respect others believe they do not deserve.

 

[bamagradinATL]

Personally I think no one wants to play on the blue field. It does give them a real home field advantage.

I think that blue field should be against NCAA rules.

 

[Relayer]

Morning Bama fans!

Saw a link on our forum to this thread, and just wanted to toss out a few bits of info, alot of misconception and outright malarkey posted in this thread about BSU

1. The WAC is a BCS conference. All FBS conferences are BCS conferences, and have been for a few years now (CFB - BCS Football - FOX Sports on MSN). The term you're looking for is "AQ" (Auto qualifier) vs non-AQ.

2. BSU is NOT demanding a home and home with a 1 million payout for 2011. BSU is looking for a 1 and done away game, ESPN is helping broker the deal (throwing in cash and prime time coverage). 10+ "elite" teams have said "no thanks". BSU has been attempting to upgrade the schedule for years, with little to no takers (specifically back East. Thanks goodness the PAC-10 has the stones to put us ont he schedule)

3. References to building up the school like Florida State in the 80's. Sorry folks, but Idaho isn't Florida, Boise State isn't in a conference with funds like Florida State was in, we don't have the local talent hotbed that Bowden had the luxury of drawing from and we are in a remote area that no one wants to travel to. You're comparing apples and Oranges.

4. Boise State has been lobbying the MWC for years to get an invite and upgrade our conference schedule. So far no invite.

Boise State is doing everything it can to build up the program. Our program is very young, starting in 1968.

Boise State Coaching Records

Since joining D1-A (FBS) in 1996, BSU has slowly built up their talent level over the years the only way they can. Win games. Lots of games. Boise's old scheduling philosophy was clearly designed to rack up wins and recognition, and it worked. 2 BCS bowls, 2 HUGE wins and a W/L record over the past decade that surpasses every team in D1-A. You just can't argue, or trivialize the results.

Flash forward to today. BSU is still looking for respect, and we know that it has to be earned. In comes ESPN to help broker games with elite teams for BSU to prove they belong. VaTech steps up to the plate in a game brokered by ESPN and the Redskins. Oregon State (who backed out on us this last season) also renewed a 4 game home and home series with us.

Then ESPN lets us know they have helped contact over 10 "elite" teams, and were told, 10 times, "No thanks". No thanks to ESPN kicking in cash. No thanks to ESPN offering prime time national coverage. No thanks to playing BSU.

Everyone expects BSU to step up to the plate and prove they deserve their rankings.

You want BSU to prove their mettle? Rail on your AD, get us on the schedule. Rumor has it Bama was one of the 10 schools who were afraid to play us.

Now you can go back to your board and tell 'em how you came over here and straightened all of us out. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

 

[Bamabuzzard]

That's about where the truth ends. Utah used this same "Rumor" about SEC teams then when offered a game by Urban Meyer in Gainesville for the 2009 season they didn't want it.

Rumor has it Bama was one of the 10 schools who were afraid to play us.

 

[TidePrideGA]

Bama isn't afraid of playing your team. We aren't afraid to play anybody.

 

[jps1983]

I don't know what BSU offers the big schools, but they need to really improve their schedule before they even get considered for a spot in the NC game. Out of 119 teams in D1-A, their schedule was around 90th or so in SOS.

They played 5 bowl eligible teams (Oregon, Fresno St., Bowling Green, Idaho, and Nevada). 4 of those 5 lost in their bowl game (BG and Idaho played each other).

Bama beat 9 bowl eligible teams (VT, Ark, UK, OM, USCe, Tenn, LSU, AU, and UF). Those teams went 5-4 in bowl games.

Texas played 8 eligible teams (Wyo, TT, OU, Mizzou, OSU, UCF, a&m, and Neb). Those teams went 4-4 in bowl games.

I think the trend of quality opponents is evident, and not just bowl eligible teams, but how those teams fared in actual bowl games too.

Until BSU plays a tough OOC schedule or joins the MWC or Pac-10, they should not even be mentioned in the NC debate. Their "we play the teams on our schedule" attitude is a joke b/c I have no doubt quality teams would accept a home game offer with a comparable OOC payout.

 

[kayakerjess]

LOL - so Bama is afraid of BSU? Seriously? The rest of your post is wiped away by this stupid statement.

Go away...

I don't agree with him, but we did decline to play them in BDS. I'm not saying we are afraid, but I can see how a Boise fan would think that...

 

[Heavy D]

Bama played Clemson in 07
Bama played VT in 08
Both were ranked in the Top 10 and prediceted to win the ACC.
Bama plays Penn State this year and next. I'm sure they'll be Top 10 or 15 to start with and at the top of their conference.

But Bama is scared to play one home game vs. Boise?

PLEASE.

 

[NYBamaFan]

I don't agree with him, but we did decline to play them in BDS. I'm not saying we are afraid, but I can see how a Boise fan would think that...

We decline a lot of teams every year. Don't feed the trolls...

 

[REBELZED]

Then ESPN lets us know they have helped contact over 10 "elite" teams, and were told, 10 times, "No thanks". No thanks to ESPN kicking in cash. No thanks to ESPN offering prime time national coverage. No thanks to playing BSU.

Yes, because ESPN is a shining beacon of all things true and correct

And even further, who does ESPN consider "elite?" What exactly did they ask these "elite" schools and what exactly did the schools say? How much cash did they offer?

ESPN could have called Louisville (could be considered "elite" simply because they're in a BCS conference) and said, "Hey, we'll throw in 20 grand if you'll play Boise AT Boise on a Thursday night on ESPN." Louisville would have promptly told them to shove their "deal."

That scenario would be "true" to all your "points" above, but you're taking a huge logical leap when acting like Boise State/ESPN were calling Alabama and Florida and offering $500k for them to play on Saturday night at a neutral field.

Boise State is skirting the system and you know it.

 

[Nick4Bama]

The date they are refering to is the open date before Penn State in 2011.

Opening game I think.

Just saying.......

 

[bamagradinATL]

FSU was independent in the 80's (until they joined the ACC in 1992).

Even though they were independent they were playing Florida & Miami every year. I'm willing to bet if we look at their opponents they played better teams than BSU is playing today.

 

[bamagradinATL]

The date they are refering to is the open date before Penn State in 2011.

Opening game I think.

Just saying.......

Until they start playing quality OOC opponents on a regular basis, then no one (including me) will take them serious. This political game they are playing is BS.

 

[jangalang]

You want BSU to prove their mettle? Rail on your AD, get us on the schedule. Rumor has it Bama was one of the 10 schools who were afraid to play us.

You sound like a nice guy who is somewhat knowledgeable. Welcome!

Now.....tell me what good it would do for Bama to play Boise. If we win, it's because we're expected to. If we lose, we're the laughing stock of CFB that opened up pandora's box. That is one of the reasons we are "afraid" to play you, but not Va Tech, Penn St., Oklahoma, and the rest of our traditional foes.

 

[bamacon]

I wonder how many times he has posted that write-up on various forums. We'll see if he sticks around.

BSU will have all the expectations and spotlight to start the season. Mark my words...they will be the Ole Miss of 2010. They will wet themselves and lose to VaTech, and probably by three scores.