Link: Gamecocks AD complains about B-D "artificial noise"

[Hankster2]

I have no problem saying I hope the first time Tennessee hits the field (and LSU, and Mississippi State, and Auburn, and South Carolina the next time they visit Bryant-Denny), I hope the guy with the tape deck hits the bell, rewinds it, and hits it again continuously for 60 minutes. At about 3x the volume it played this past weekend. I literally do not care what the SEC has to say on the matter.

This conference has come up with the worst rule it could possibly come up with already this year (the AU-sponsored oversigning rule limiting teams to 28 GIAs received -- which I suspect we'll get around by having any lower-rated players and/or grayshirts simply not submit a letter of intent, as it's not required), and this follows several SEC-specific rules (notice that cheerleaders no longer can use a field-mounted PA speaker except in out-of-conference games?) that have not done a thing to make the game better, just more words on a page somewhere so that some One-Bullet Barney can feel like he made a difference in life.

I probably wouldn't feel this way except that the ONE noisemaker in this conference that is actually dangerous -- the Mississippi State cowbell, which I've seen mounted to bicycle handles, ax handles and broomsticks -- is left alone, I guess because "it's just Mississippi State." So until the SEC gets serious about enforcing its rules for everyone and not just the elite teams in the conference, I hope Alabama tells the noise police and Hyman to swallow it sideways.

Jess, not speaking to the point of enforcement, but can't you see this rule as having merit in preventing stadiums from using high-dollar sound systems to pump in artificial crowd noise during those all important 3rd and goal type scenarios? I seem to recall a time when this became an issue with some NFL teams.

While I'm not against most uses of artificial noise (like the way we crank AC/DC at certain points in a game) I think it would be lame to allow the home team to pump-in noise (for example simulated crowd noise) before a play to augment the real crowd noise. It seems the unilateral wording of the rule just prevents it from becoming a judgement call. The idea that you could "buy" the "loudest stadium in college football" seems to me what they're trying to prevent. The duty of making noise should fall on the fans, not sound technicians.

Or maybe there's already a separate rule that governs this and I'm missing the point entirely.

 

[JessN]

Jess, not speaking to the point of enforcement, but can't you see this rule as having merit in preventing stadiums from using high-dollar sound systems to pump in artificial crowd noise during those all important 3rd and goal type scenarios? I seem to recall a time when this became an issue with some NFL teams.

While I'm not against most uses of artificial noise (like the way we crank AC/DC at certain points in a game) I think it would be lame to allow the home team to pump-in noise (for example simulated crowd noise) before a play to augment the real crowd noise. It seems the unilateral wording of the rule just prevents it from becoming a judgement call. The idea that you could "buy" the "loudest stadium in college football" seems to me what they're trying to prevent. The duty of making noise should fall on the fans, not sound technicians.

Or maybe there's already a separate rule that governs this and I'm missing the point entirely.

I think the rule (which seems born out of the old practice of preventing bands from playing during the actual play itself) has gone too far. I don't care what stadiums do before the snap. The bell plus Tony Giles saying "It's THIRD DOWN" while they're in the huddle isn't interfering with the play. If you want to pump in noise prior to the teams breaking the huddle and/or addressing the ball prior to the snap, you should be able to. Once the center is over the ball (which protects no-huddle teams), shut it off.

My biggest problem is the lack on unilateral enforcement. I was in Starkville in the late 80s, sitting in the Bama section. Some MSU fans had bought tickets in the UA section and both of them brought cowbells, one of them mounted to a sawed-down rake handle. At around the end of the first quarter, I walked down to get a drink and met two cops/security guys coming up the aisle, so I decided to stop them and point out the cowbell guy. One of them just kind of chuckled and said, "So?", to which I replied that the SEC had banned those things and he said, "You're in Starkville." My opinion is that if the SEC wants to get serious about this, I'll start listening when they start throwing a flag in Starkville every single time a cowbell rings. Until then, ring those hell's bells until the speakers blow up.

And besides, I've never hidden my contempt for "serial equalization" in college football. All men are created equal, but not all programs are. I have a distaste for most rules that seek to knock the elite teams down and let the little teams catch up. The powers that be in college football seemed determined to level the playing field even if they have to bend over backwards to do it, and my attitude is that if you want to be equal, make yourself equal. I'm not going to help you get there by cutting into my own team's advantage. I realize I'm getting off-point here, but I have no tolerance for non-BCS league teams that think they deserve to be in the national championship discussion, nor do I care for SEC policies that punish the perennially successful programs while turning a blind eye to Mississippi State, Vandy, etc., just because they're underdogs.

 

[CapstoneTider]

I wrote Steve Fink an email. I'll fill you in if it is replied to.

Alabama fans have had a very frustrating 15 or so years, with the multiple NCAA probations and infractions. Being perceived as a team the will win at any cost, has left a very bad impression of our program throughout the country. I believe it sits in the back of many journalists minds when deciding what or if to write about our team. It's easy to see, as the #2 or #3 team in the country, that we get very little positive press.
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[/FONT]I couldn't understand why issues such as the field goal tape and artificial noise have been pointed out through the press. Do you still believe we are cheating our way to success? Is that the talk of the SEC right now? I am assuming that it is, or a seasoned, respected coach like Steve Spurrier would have picked up the phone and called our coach with such grievances, as has been a practice in the past. Are we not afforded that luxury anymore due to our reputation? Like, what good is it to protect the reputation of a team beyond repair?
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[/FONT]Anyway, any insight into our present perception with coaches around the league, or just your institution would be an enormous gift to a truth seeker as myself.
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[/FONT]Sincerely,
Greg Glasscock
http://crimsontider.com

Re: Our Cheating, an honest questions from an Alabama fan[FONT=Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Greg: Coach Spurrier simply pointed out that he had never seen tape used to spot field goals and questioned whether it was against the rules or not. As far as the artificial noise, we have a rooster crow that we like to play to help get our crowd excited at home games. We’ve been told by SEC officials that we are allowed to do so only in certain instances (timeouts, after a score, etc.). Yet, we go on the road and artificial noises are allowed much more frequently. Our fans question us as to why that is allowed. We are simply asking that everyone play by the same rules.

Steve Fink
Athletics Media Relations Director
University of South Carolina


This must be a generic response, becasue he didn;t answer the question about calling our coach first.
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[2003TIDE]

You should have asked him if they are going to complain the next time they go to Starkville and win. That's the B.S. thing. I don't think we would have heard anything from them if they had beat us.

 

[dtgreg]

Alabama fans have had a very frustrating 15 or so years, with the multiple NCAA probations and infractions. Being perceived as a team the will win at any cost, has left a very bad impression of our program throughout the country. I believe it sits in the back of many journalists minds when deciding what or if to write about our team. It's easy to see, as the #2 or #3 team in the country, that we get very little positive press.
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[/FONT]I couldn't understand why issues such as the field goal tape and artificial noise have been pointed out through the press. Do you still believe we are cheating our way to success? Is that the talk of the SEC right now? I am assuming that it is, or a seasoned, respected coach like Steve Spurrier would have picked up the phone and called our coach with such grievances, as has been a practice in the past. Are we not afforded that luxury anymore due to our reputation? Like, what good is it to protect the reputation of a team beyond repair?
[FONT=Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]
[/FONT]Anyway, any insight into our present perception with coaches around the league, or just your institution would be an enormous gift to a truth seeker as myself.
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[/FONT]Sincerely,
Greg Glasscock
http://crimsontider.com

Re: Our Cheating, an honest questions from an Alabama fan[FONT=Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Greg: Coach Spurrier simply pointed out that he had never seen tape used to spot field goals and questioned whether it was against the rules or not. As far as the artificial noise, we have a rooster crow that we like to play to help get our crowd excited at home games. We’ve been told by SEC officials that we are allowed to do so only in certain instances (timeouts, after a score, etc.). Yet, we go on the road and artificial noises are allowed much more frequently. Our fans question us as to why that is allowed. We are simply asking that everyone play by the same rules.

Steve Fink
Athletics Media Relations Director
University of South Carolina


This must be a generic response, becasue he didn;t answer the question about calling our coach first.
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If my name was Fink, I'd be loathe to ever complain about anyting, much less something this petty. Saw where Saban said they found on some film breakdowns the SC kicker / holder doing the tape thing last year themselves. Tell Fink to turn himself in!

 

[BamaInBham]

Half the teams in the SEC have used tape or something else to spot for place kicks, including USC last year. Nick Saban, “We even saw verification where last year South Carolina’s kicker did it, so this is not something that is really unusual for people to do. It is something that shouldn’t be done because it’s against the rules. We’re actually happy that it was brought to our attention because I wasn’t aware of it, and it’s something that we will not do because it’s certainly not worth a 5-yard penalty.” What a hypocrite is Spurrier.

Bama is not being genuinely regarded as "winning at all costs" - it is simply a matter of 'gotcha'. Bama is moving to the top and some SEC schools and others are terrified at what they see because it is obvious it is not a transient condition. So, those beaten will distract from their beatings and prospective beatings by braying about anything and everthing they can rather than digest and muse on the reality of present and future beatings.

 

[rolltidewin]

he's a sore loser.. he just can't accept the fact that he got beat by Alabama because he wanted an upset trying to get us disqualified to get them the win just accept the fact YOU LOST!


RTR!!!:biga:

 

[Jordan54]

White tape, now this. You did a good job and lost by only 14. Keep quiet and move on to your next game.

 

[derek4tide]

Has anyone noticed that this thread has gone from a 5-star thread down to a 2-star thread? It seems the cornish game hen fans have been lurking here and have voted on the thread, but cannot come out and post like real men (or women). Too funny.....DT_velo:

 

[beb4bama]

I just thought of a good use for the tape. JP isn't going to be able to use it anymore, so put it on the mouths of Eric Hyman and Steve Spurrier!

 

[Boo Radley]

I think the rule (which seems born out of the old practice of preventing bands from playing during the actual play itself) has gone too far. I don't care what stadiums do before the snap. The bell plus Tony Giles saying "It's THIRD DOWN" while they're in the huddle isn't interfering with the play. If you want to pump in noise prior to the teams breaking the huddle and/or addressing the ball prior to the snap, you should be able to. Once the center is over the ball (which protects no-huddle teams), shut it off.

My biggest problem is the lack on unilateral enforcement. I was in Starkville in the late 80s, sitting in the Bama section. Some MSU fans had bought tickets in the UA section and both of them brought cowbells, one of them mounted to a sawed-down rake handle. At around the end of the first quarter, I walked down to get a drink and met two cops/security guys coming up the aisle, so I decided to stop them and point out the cowbell guy. One of them just kind of chuckled and said, "So?", to which I replied that the SEC had banned those things and he said, "You're in Starkville." My opinion is that if the SEC wants to get serious about this, I'll start listening when they start throwing a flag in Starkville every single time a cowbell rings. Until then, ring those hell's bells until the speakers blow up.

And besides, I've never hidden my contempt for "serial equalization" in college football. All men are created equal, but not all programs are. I have a distaste for most rules that seek to knock the elite teams down and let the little teams catch up. The powers that be in college football seemed determined to level the playing field even if they have to bend over backwards to do it, and my attitude is that if you want to be equal, make yourself equal. I'm not going to help you get there by cutting into my own team's advantage. I realize I'm getting off-point here, but I have no tolerance for non-BCS league teams that think they deserve to be in the national championship discussion, nor do I care for SEC policies that punish the perennially successful programs while turning a blind eye to Mississippi State, Vandy, etc., just because they're underdogs.

The bell tolling on opponent's third down was a nice touch that queued the crowd to make noise. I'll be highly miffed if that doesn't happen this Sat.

 

[BlakeSmash]

If my name was Fink, I'd be loathe to ever complain about anyting, much less something this petty. Saw where Saban said they found on some film breakdowns the SC kicker / holder doing the tape thing last year themselves. Tell Fink to turn himself in!

Our kicker from last year, Ryan Succop (who is kicking ... for the chiefs right now) and our place holder, Stephen Flint said they've never used anything to mark the spot and would like to see the tape Saban saw. Now if that isn't a run-on sentence, I don't know what is.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Our kicker from last year, Ryan Succop (who is kicking ... for the chiefs right now) and our place holder, Stephen Flint said they've never used anything to mark the spot and would like to see the tape Saban saw. Now if that isn't a run-on sentence, I don't know what is.

Coach Saban made the Old Ball Coach look foolish with his damning rebuttal that Spurrier now knows to be the truth. That he was called out as a hypocrite for all to see. You know Spurrier was in the film room within 30 minutes of hearing Saban's comments, and has been out of that room room for a long time now. Tick, tick, tick.

 

[THE BAMA IRISHMAN]

Ellis Johnson must have forgot. He stated BDS isn't very loud but the Usc AD is crying about it. Oh Stop Please. :biggrin:

 

[liquidvengeance]

Our kicker from last year, Ryan Succop (who is kicking ... for the chiefs right now) and our place holder, Stephen Flint said they've never used anything to mark the spot and would like to see the tape Saban saw. Now if that isn't a run-on sentence, I don't know what is.

Who the heck is this crappy Ryan redneck? Good to hear that a pathetic old man kicker cares enough to come out of his day job to comment on our CNS comment about their sorry program.

The hen's need to shut up and get their heads out of their butts.

This player also has the right last name "SUCK" considering he played at the barn east.

 

[bayoutider]

I would rate this thread -4 stars because of some of the really over the top replies. Some make me ashamed to have read them.

 

[LoyalAlum]

This is a dead thread. The SEC (Slive) issued guidance and it's moot now.

 

[Luvubama]

"The musics to loud:frown:...........Theres a piece of tape on the field:frown:.........these benches are hard:frown:...............My visor is dirty.":frown::bs_lame:

I guess "old ball coach" Steve Superior does'nt like suckling from
the hind teet!

Oh, and don't forget the helmet to helmet hit we put on their wide receiver. i was unfortunately in the SC section and they were relentless on that.