Home schoolers playing high school sports

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There is a proposed bill in the Alabama legislature that would allow home schooled kids to play high school sports. I don't have a link but I've seen people on Facebook talking about it and they seem to favor it.

Riz will probably put me on ignore for this, but I hate this idea. If the school isn't good enough for you during the day, then don't be trying to get on the field Friday night.

What does everyone else think? I will say I'm not a fan of home schooling in general.


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There is a proposed bill in the Alabama legislature that would allow home schooled kids to play high school sports. I don't have a link but I've seen people on Facebook talking about it and they seem to favor it.

Riz will probably put me on ignore for this, but I hate this idea. If the school isn't good enough for you during the day, then don't be trying to get on the field Friday night.

What does everyone else think? I will say I'm not a fan of home schooling in general.
Makes sense.
 

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There is a proposed bill in the Alabama legislature that would allow home schooled kids to play high school sports. I don't have a link but I've seen people on Facebook talking about it and they seem to favor it.

Riz will probably put me on ignore for this, but I hate this idea. If the school isn't good enough for you during the day, then don't be trying to get on the field Friday night.

What does everyone else think? I will say I'm not a fan of home schooling in general.


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I am in agreement with everything you have said. Saves me some typing.
 

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I am of two minds on this issue. It has long been established that if you do not want to leave the education of your children to the state you can take it upon yourself (be it through private or home schooling) to shape and mold your kids education as long as your child gets at least a basic level of understanding in the core subjects. Whatever the reason, religious, academic, or environment, it is a valuable alternative. Sports have always been a good means by which children can learn how to be a good teammate, good sport, etc. To deny a child the ability to learn these lessons because of a decision made by their parents, seems like you are only hurting the child in an attempt to be spiteful to the parent for choosing something outside of the norm.

My biggest concern will be when these parents attempt to try and use litigation to impose their belief system which caused them to leave the public school system in the first place.
 

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Without offering an opinion on homeschooling itself, I disagree with this proposal. It blurs the line between the child being educated at home or in a public school, or in a private school for that matter.
Pick your poison. They all have their own pitfalls.
 

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I am of two minds on this issue. It has long been established that if you do not want to leave the education of your children to the state you can take it upon yourself (be it through private or home schooling) to shape and mold your kids education as long as your child gets at least a basic level of understanding in the core subjects. Whatever the reason, religious, academic, or environment, it is a valuable alternative. Sports have always been a good means by which children can learn how to be a good teammate, good sport, etc. To deny a child the ability to learn these lessons because of a decision made by their parents, seems like you are only hurting the child in an attempt to be spiteful to the parent for choosing something outside of the norm.

My biggest concern will be when these parents attempt to try and use litigation to impose their belief system which caused them to leave the public school system in the first place.


You can bet that this will happen and soon.
 

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I don't know all of the ins and outs of the issue, but I don't have a big problem with in on the surface. If the kid is playing for the HS that he would attend if he were in public school, why not? The family is still paying taxes that support the school, including sports.

Homeschooling is a whole different thing. About half of the kids I know who are homeschooled have parents that couldn't spell cat if you spotted them the "c" and the "t". One kid's mother lets him play video games all day because constantly pestering him to do his "computer programs" is a pain in the butt. On the other hand, we have a friend who has two kids who graduated HS and already had more than a year's worth of college credits via homeschooling before they were 17. Both kids did great on their SATs and got scholarships.
 

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I don't see a problem with it - the parents are already paying for the public education and only wish to access a portion of it.

Where's the problem?
 

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I don't know all of the ins and outs of the issue, but I don't have a big problem with in on the surface. If the kid is playing for the HS that he would attend if he were in public school, why not? The family is still paying taxes that support the school, including sports.

Homeschooling is a whole different thing. About half of the kids I know who are homeschooled have parents that couldn't spell cat if you spotted them the "c" and the "t". One kid's mother lets him play video games all day because constantly pestering him to do his "computer programs" is a pain in the butt. On the other hand, we have a friend who has two kids who graduated HS and already had more than a year's worth of college credits via homeschooling before they were 17. Both kids did great on their SATs and got scholarships.
I think a thread on the pros and cons of homeschooling, especially with parents experiences and real life words of wisdom would be invaluable. I for one am definitely for the ability to homeschool always exist. The fact that I believe a good portion of the people who choose to do so are laying the foundation for the plot of Idiocracy to come to fruition has no bearing on whether it should always be a viable option.
 

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I think a thread on the pros and cons of homeschooling, especially with parents experiences and real life words of wisdom would be invaluable. I for one am definitely for the ability to homeschool always exist. The fact that I believe a good portion of the people who choose to do so are laying the foundation for the plot of Idiocracy to come to fruition has no bearing on whether it should always be a viable option.
You may think that all you wish, but home-schooled children consistently score higher on standardized tests than public or even privately schooled children. The facts are plain. Most folks I know who home school are doing so in order to allow their children to learn at their own pace - not for religious reasons. My kids are all at least one grade-level ahead and their annual standardized test scores are FAR higher than their public and privately schooled counterparts.

Believe what you want, but the tools are there to allow most home schooled kids to truly excel. Sure, there are examples of folks who aren't well equipped to educate their kids and there are those who eschew teaching things that contradict their beliefs, but for the most part home-schooled kids get a fantastic education.

Personalized education is the answer to our educational issues in this country, and if you want to see 'Idiocracy' coming to fruition, just look at how far behind our publicly-schooled kids trail the international competition.

Educate yourself as to what home school is all about - don't let bias lead you.
 
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You may think that all you wish, but home-schooled children consistently score higher on standardized tests than public or even privately schooled children. The facts are plain. Most folks I know who home school are doing so in order to allow their children to learn at their own pace - not for religious reasons. My kids are all at least one grade-level ahead and their annual standardized test scores are FAR higher than their public and privately schooled kids.

Believe what you want, but the tools are there to allow most home schooled kids to truly excel. Sure, there are examples of folks who aren't well equipped to educate their kids as there are those who eschew teaching things that contradict their beliefs, but for the most part home-schooled kids get a fantastic education.

Personalized education is the answer to our educational issues in this country, and if you want to see 'Idiocracy' coming to fruition, just look at how far behind our publicly-schooled kids trail the international competition.

Educate yourself as to what home school is all about - don't let bias lead you.
My position didn't say anything regarding what I think about the quality of the public education. I guess I should repeat where I think that home schooling is a good thing. My position differs from yours in that when I educated myself and saw instances where science and math are devalued in some home schooling curriculums because it wasn't in the bible I wasn't myopic regarding the "good homeschoolers" versus the "bad homeschoolers." You seem like a well educated, family focused individual, who will do everything to help their children succeed. Not everyone who home schools has that same goal. Some truly wish to indoctrinate their children with whatever crazy the parents believe. Be it religious reasons, or crazy space man theories.

From https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91

Above article said:
n 2007, the number of homeschooled students was about 1.5 million, an increase from 850,000 in 1999 and 1.1 million in 2003. The percentage of the school-age population that was homeschooled increased from 1.7 percent in 1999 to 2.9 percent in 2007. The increase in the percentage of homeschooled students from 1999 to 2007 represents a 74 percent relative increase over the 8-year period and a 36 percent relative increase since 2003. In 2007, the majority of homeschooled students received all of their education at home (84 percent), but some attended school up to 25 hours per week. Eleven percent of homeschooled students were enrolled in school less than 9 hours per week, and 5 percent were enrolled between 9 and 25 hours per week.


More White students were homeschooled than Black or Hispanic students or students from other racial/ethnic groups, and White students constituted the majority of homeschooled students (77 percent). White students (3.9 percent) had a higher homeschooling rate than Blacks (0.8 percent) and Hispanics (1.5 percent), but were not measurably different from students from other racial/ethnic groups (3.4 percent). Students in two-parent households made up 89 percent of the homeschooled population, and those in two-parent households with one parent in the labor force made up 54 percent of the homeschooled population. The latter group of students had a higher homeschooling rate than their peers: 7 percent, compared with 1 to 2 percent of students in other family circumstances. In 2007, students in households earning between $25,001 and $75,000 per year had higher rates of homeschooling than their peers from families earning $25,000 or less a year.


Parents give many different reasons for homeschooling their children. In 2007, the most common reason parents gave as the most important was a desire to provide religious or moral instruction (36 percent of students). This reason was followed by a concern about the school environment (such as safety, drugs, or negative peer pressure) (21 percent), dissatisfaction with academic instruction (17 percent), and "other reasons" including family time, finances, travel, and distance (14 percent). Parents of about 7 percent of homeschooled students cited the desire to provide their child with a nontraditional approach to education as the most important reason for homeschooling, and the parents of another 6 percent of students cited a child's health problems or special needs.
36% of homeschooled students in 2009 are homeschooled due to religious reasons. Some %age of them will fall into the situation I described above. The confusion may be in the usage of the term "good portion" and if you took that to mean majority, then I apologize. To me any number of people willfully teaching their children that science and math don't matter are far too many.

I realize that you may have taken extra offense to this because you think I was attacking your chosen method of educating your children, but just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am not educated on the subject.
 
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The majority of home schooled kids here fall into the "parent can't spell cat with the 'c' and 't' spotted" category. It's sad and borderline child abuse/neglect IMO.

What crimsonaudio says I also agree with--if you do your job and properly home school--serious home school--your kids will excel.

I hate some of the stuff, well most of the stuff, that comes with public schooling but my kids are in a "real world" situation with people from all walks of society. I am not a teacher and have no desire to home school my kids--I'm too much of a procrastinator.

As for athletics, I thought is was already a rule that home schooled kids could play sports in Alabama?
 

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Sorry if I came across as offended - I wasn't - I was simply reacting to the generalization that 'Idiocracy' will come from home schooling. Despite the points you make regarding the justification some use for home schooling, the numbers don't lie - across the board, across ethnic, racial, educational and income boundaries - home schooled children consistently score far higher than publicly and privately educated school children.

Again, I admit there are folks who probably shouldn't be doing it, but as someone who home schools my children I'm willing to bet I know a fair amount more home schooling families than someone who does not, and almost without exception these kids are being taught everything (and more) that they'd learn in a 'normal' school environment.
 

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I think a thread on the pros and cons of homeschooling, especially with parents experiences and real life words of wisdom would be invaluable. I for one am definitely for the ability to homeschool always exist. The fact that I believe a good portion of the people who choose to do so are laying the foundation for the plot of Idiocracy to come to fruition has no bearing on whether it should always be a viable option.
My kids are homeschooled and very active so we know a large group of homeschoolers. Our group is predominantly secular but because we offer some great classes in the group we get all kinds who find us online and join. In my experience 90% of the homeschoolers I've met are doing it right. There are some, either super religious that won't allow modern science and some super hippy un-schoolers that are messing their kids up but they seem to be the exception in our circles.

and yes I think they should be able to participate in athletics if they want.
 

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To deny a child the ability to learn these lessons because of a decision made by their parents, seems like you are only hurting the child in an attempt to be spiteful to the parent for choosing something outside of the norm.
I understand this sentiment. However, the parents did make their decision knowing that their children would be unable to participate in high school sports. In fact, parents make all kinds of decisions that ultimately impact their children so this argument/perspective is a nonstarter for me.
 

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I understand this sentiment. However, the parents did make their decision knowing that their children would be unable to participate in high school sports. In fact, parents make all kinds of decisions that ultimately impact their children so this argument/perspective is a nonstarter for me.
Good point.

Hmm, how about. I think sports are good for kids, and like others have said, their parents have already paid for it.
 

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You may think that all you wish, but home-schooled children consistently score higher on standardized tests than public or even privately schooled children. The facts are plain. Most folks I know who home school are doing so in order to allow their children to learn at their own pace - not for religious reasons. My kids are all at least one grade-level ahead and their annual standardized test scores are FAR higher than their public and privately schooled counterparts.

Believe what you want, but the tools are there to allow most home schooled kids to truly excel. Sure, there are examples of folks who aren't well equipped to educate their kids and there are those who eschew teaching things that contradict their beliefs, but for the most part home-schooled kids get a fantastic education.

Personalized education is the answer to our educational issues in this country, and if you want to see 'Idiocracy' coming to fruition, just look at how far behind our publicly-schooled kids trail the international competition.

Educate yourself as to what home school is all about - don't let bias lead you.
we are pursuing montessori mostly for these reasons.
 

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We're educating our kids at private day school, and I'm very pro-home school, but I'm uncomfortable with this measure. If you're going to play high school sports, you need to be part of the high school community. It seems to me that the answer for religious home schoolers would be unite under an umbrella that is part of a private high school (Briarwood Christian comes to mind) and play that way. I'm not sure how it would work for secular homeschoolers.
 
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