How we stack up against Bama (from hornfans.com)

JPT4Bama

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Saban is a great coach, no doubt.

He's also 0-1 vs Mack Brown in Bowl games this decade.

As are several other coaches with national championships on their resume: Jim Tressel, Lloyd Carr, Pete Carroll, and Dennis Erickson.

(edit) We'll obviously never face OU in a bowl, but Stoops is another with a crystal ball, and he's 1-4 in the last 5 games vs. Brown, including the last two.
That's all well and good but we're trying to stay in the present. I'm referring to the here and now, Bama vs. Horns 2010.
 

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Took me about three clicks to find Mandel's column from last week, which opened with this:

"No. 1 Alabama vs. No. 2 Texas -- the first-ever BCS Championship clash of 13-0 teams -- seems to warrant some grandiose, hyperbolic, "Game of the Century"-type nickname.

"How about the Anticlimax Bowl? Or The Granddaddy of All Mismatches? Perhaps you prefer 'Pointless in Pasadena?'"

(and later, from the same article)


"Yet one can already see this ending in exactly the same fashion as the past three editions: With the SEC champion celebrating atop a stage and the rest of the country lamenting that someone else didn't get a chance."


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That is very, very typical of what we Horn fans have been reading for the past 9 days. And that's the main college football analyst from Sports Illustrated. The ESPN writers are right there with them.​

So the media is disrespecting you. Not our problem. Find me one player or coach at The University of Alabama that is saying these things. You can't because Texas has the complete respect of our team and coaches. We are not responsible for the media.
 

ARedDawn

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you're right, Texas has never seen a big fast back, except for Wells last year and Cody Johnson our 250lb goal line back in practice.
Or a receiver like Julio, except for our own Malcolm Williams (6'3, 225lbs and faster than Julio) or Briscoe from Kansas.
Hold on for dear life we will, we have no idea whats coming.

and SEC SEC SEC speed is default better than every other college athlete, that is not debate able

:rolleyes:

this will be a great game between two very good teams, anyone thinking otherwise is just dense or hasn't watched ball all year. Most of the posters on here are close enough to objective considering the site, but some of the bad apples are just amazing.

:biggrin:HAHAHAHAHAHA! Wait... gotta... catch my breath... HAHAHAHAHAHA! You're making me cry... stoooop. HAHAHAHAHA! Co... CO... CODY! HAHAHAHA!:biggrin:
 

Paul Wesley

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For the record, I think the teams are very well matched, and it should be a great game. I didn't sign up here to talk smack -- I'm just trying to provide some balance to the discussion. Like when someone said, "Texas has never seen speed like SEC speed," I feel sort of obligated, to say, "Well, um, actually the Texas defense is built for speed and may be the fastest in all of college."

Same thing with coaching. There's been two or three times on this thread, where posters say, "Well, we've got Saban so we've got an obvious advantage." I'm just pointing out the fact that Saban is 0-1 vs. Brown this decade -- and that was when Saban was at LSU, where he won it all the next year, so it's not like Texas had a huge talent advantage when they beat him. When I see sportswriters and fan polls list the best college coaches in the country, Mack's name is almost never on it, yet he has scoreboard on most of the guys who are. Go figure.

And to reiterate what I said in a previous post, I think Texas is getting plenty of respect from Bama fans, including the big majority on this board (I visit lots of other boards, and believe me, that is really saying something). But yeah, to turn on ESPN or click on SI.com, you'd think Texas doesn't deserve to be there, and will get shellacked if we have the temerity to even show up.

Kickoff can't get here soon enough for either fanbase.

Thanks again for the bandwidth.

Paul
 
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texas1020

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So much to discuss on this most interesting thread. Wish I had time to respond to all the good comments.

I will say I take the point of the Tide fan who quoted Gene Stallings about wanting to be the favorite because it probably means you're the better team. A few years ago, some economists studied some thirty years of betting on college football games. They found that if you'd bet on the favorite every game, you'd win 50% of the time, and of course if you always took the underdog and the points you'd win 50% of the time. There was absolutely no statistically significant advantage to always giving points or taking points.

A lot of people take this as evidence of handicappers' great knowledge of college football. Truth is, the Vegas lines have nothing to do with what the handicappers think will happen. Their own opinions don't matter to them. All they want is to attract half the money to one team and half to the other team. That way, they get their vig and take no risk on the outcome. They set up their point spreads with that in mind, which is why the Vegas line will move on some games. It means one team is drawing too much money, and they want to get more money on the other side. The fact that, over the long term, there is no advantage to consistently giving or taking points reflects the acumen of the betting public. It is arguably the most efficient market in the world.

Still, I like being the underdog in this game. Funny how the mind of a twenty-year-old male works. I was one myself, years ago, and all I can say is the coaches whose livelihoods depend on them earn their money.

Many Alabama fans put great credit in having Nick Saban on the sidelines for this game. They feel he gives them a big advantage over Mack Brown. Now, Nick Saban is a great coach, no argument there. He can coach my team any day. But I do think there's a tendency to underrate Mack Brown. The old knock on Mack is that he can recruit, but he's no good at developing players, preparing them, and the X's and O's. Heaven knows I heard that from enough Longhorn fans, back when OU was beating us every year.

My argument to them was, and remains, look at what happened when Mack moved from Chapel Hill to Austin. When he left NC, Mack took one asst. with him, his OC Greg Davis. The rest of the staff remained intact, loaded with players Mack had recruited. What happened? The Tar Heels quickly plunged into mediocrity. Meanwhile, at Texas, Mack inherited a team that had some good players but not nearly enough of them. They had gone 4-7 the previous year under John Mackovic. Mack's first recruiting class was OK, but with the late start was nothing great. Still, the Horns went 8-3, savaged Miss State in the Cotton Bowl, and haven't looked back.

Look at it another way. In this decade, Mack has beaten five coaches who have won national championships - Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, Jim Tressel, Pete Carroll, and Les Miles. I know, I know, he beat Saban when Nick was at LSU, and beat Miles when he was at Okla. State, and he's only 5-6 vs. Stoops, and he had Superman when he beat Pete Carroll, and Ohio State sucks, and on and on. But if the guy is an idiot, then all those successful coaches let themselves get beat by an idiot. Shame on them.
 

ARedDawn

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Look, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I'm sure Texas is a good team. They went 13-0, which was really hard to do considering all of the competition was down this year. The fact is Texas played some really inferior talent this year. Granted they played Oklahoma without Bradford and survived, then they played OK St without Bryant and cruised by, and the only other ranked team they played was Nebraska... and we all know how that one ended. Truth be known, Mack ran the score up on inferior opponents to get McCoy in a better position to win the heisman and it failed. On Jan 7th I forsee it being about a 21 pt difference in favor of Bama as well. Granted if it isn't I'll come back on and apologize. If I'm right, prepare to take it.
 

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For the record, I think the teams are very well matched, and it should be a great game. I didn't sign up here to talk smack -- I'm just trying to provide some balance to the discussion. Like when someone said, "Texas has never seen speed like SEC speed," I feel sort of obligated, to say, "Well, um, actually the Texas defense is built for speed and may be the fastest in all of college."

Same thing with coaching. There's been two or three times on this thread, where posters say, "Well, we've got Saban so we've got an obvious advantage." I'm just pointing out the fact that Saban is 0-1 vs. Brown this decade -- and that was when Saban was at LSU, where he won it all the next year, so it's not like Texas had a huge talent advantage when they beat him. When I see sportswriters and fan polls list the best college coaches in the country, Mack's name is almost never on it, yet he has scoreboard on most of the guys who are. Go figure.

And to reiterate what I said in a previous post, I think Texas is getting plenty of respect from Bama fans, including the big majority on this board (I visit lots of other boards, and believe me, that is really saying something). But yeah, to turn on ESPN or click on SI.com, you'd think Texas doesn't deserve to be there, and will get shellacked if we have the temerity to even show up.

Kickoff can't get here soon enough for either fanbase.

Thanks again for the bandwidth.

Paul
And thank you for coming to our BAMA board and providing us with your version of balance!!!
I don't know how we made it this far without the Longhorn wisdom to keep us from feeling too positive about our team.
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Paul Wesley

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Look, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I'm sure Texas is a good team. They went 13-0, which was really hard to do considering all of the competition was down this year. The fact is Texas played some really inferior talent this year. Granted they played Oklahoma without Bradford and survived, then they played OK St without Bryant and cruised by, and the only other ranked team they played was Nebraska... and we all know how that one ended. Truth be known, Mack ran the score up on inferior opponents to get McCoy in a better position to win the heisman and it failed. On Jan 7th I forsee it being about a 21 pt difference in favor of Bama as well. Granted if it isn't I'll come back on and apologize. If I'm right, prepare to take it.
I don't know if that was directed at me, but I haven't gotten my feelings hurt. ("I'm a man! I'm 40!")

Just a few comments, and a few stubborn facts:

1) We did not "play OU without Bradford." In fact, Bradford played the week before the Texas game and threw for about 400 yards. He was the starting QB against Texas, but got knocked out of the game on a corner blitz.

2) Yes, the Texas competition was down this year. No argument.

3) Yes, we crushed Okie State. In a night game at their house, their biggest home game in years. I think it was 41-14. They're a good-but-not-great team and we went into their stadium and whipped them. What's your point?

4) If you think Mack runs up the score or that Colt has falsely inflated stats, then you CLEARLY don't even watch our games. That comment is so far removed from reality, it's ridiculous. Mack has NEVER been accused of running up the score. Texas fans howled with outrage last year when McCoy was usually on the sidelines by the end of the third quarter while Bradford was chucking long balls for OU while they were up by 25 points in the fourth. It worked for OU, too. Bradford's stats got padded and the media talked for all of November about how OU was "playing better than anyone right now," and this was used as justification to move them ahead of a Texas team that beat them. Never mind that they were the consensus number one, and likewise "playing better than anyone" when Texas beat them by 10.

One of the frequent criticisms of Brown this year is that our backup QB (Garrett Gilbert) gets into games in garbage time, but he doesn't even run our base offense. Instead, he just hands the ball off to backup running backs. If Bama knocks Colt out of the game, you'll get a true freshman QB with absolutely no full-speed experience.
 
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Tide64

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1) We did not "play OU without Bradford." In fact, Bradford played the week before the Texas game and threw for about 400 yards. He was the starting QB against Texas, but got knocked out of the game on a corner blitz.
What does Bradford's play the week before have anything to do with Texas? He went down in the first quarter against Texas. So, yes, you played OU without Bradford.
 

Orangechipper

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What does Bradford's play the week before have anything to do with Texas? He went down in the first quarter against Texas. So, yes, you played OU without Bradford.

Bradford played in 2 series... Most of the first quarter and led his team to a total of 3 points. Its hard to extrapolate that and say he makes much of a difference in the outcome.

I guess the poster's point was just that if Bradford played the whole game, wouldn't have made much of a difference.
 

CapitalTider

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Bradford played in 2 series... Most of the first quarter and led his team to a total of 3 points. Its hard to extrapolate that and say he makes much of a difference in the outcome.

I guess the poster's point was just that if Bradford played the whole game, wouldn't have made much of a difference.
Yeah, I'm not buying that. No way a back-up with little playing experience forced into a game is as effective as the reigning Heisman winning QB. I don't care what happened earlier in the game, no matter when he went out. Losing your starting QB is huge, especially to a pass happy offense. You Horns can try and sell that all day long, but I ain't buying it and I doubt any objective observer would either.
 

Rasputin

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I will say I take the point of the Tide fan who quoted Gene Stallings about wanting to be the favorite because it probably means you're the better team. A few years ago, some economists studied some thirty years of betting on college football games. They found that if you'd bet on the favorite every game, you'd win 50% of the time, and of course if you always took the underdog and the points you'd win 50% of the time. There was absolutely no statistically significant advantage to always giving points or taking points.

A lot of people take this as evidence of handicappers' great knowledge of college football. Truth is, the Vegas lines have nothing to do with what the handicappers think will happen. Their own opinions don't matter to them. All they want is to attract half the money to one team and half to the other team. That way, they get their vig and take no risk on the outcome. They set up their point spreads with that in mind, which is why the Vegas line will move on some games. It means one team is drawing too much money, and they want to get more money on the other side. The fact that, over the long term, there is no advantage to consistently giving or taking points reflects the acumen of the betting public. It is arguably the most efficient market in the world.

The bolded statement actually leads you to the wrong conclusion. They found that if you took the underdog, with the points, you would win 50% of the time. That does not mean the underdog wins the game straightup 50% of the time.

Alabama, according to Vegas, is a 2 to 1 favorite to WIN the game, not cover the spread...FWIW
 

BAMA504

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LMAO....... Now there ya go making sense and all.... You know us dumb ol BAMA boys with our trailer parks and no teeth cannot do math....

You are correct my friend let them take the spread I WANT THE TROPHY~!~
 

Paul Wesley

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We're arguing semantics here, but it's pretty silly to dismiss the Texas win over OU by saying "Texas didn't have to face Bradford." If we didn't have to face him, it's because we knocked him out of the freaking game.

What if McClain had KO'd Tebow on Florida's second series, and then Texas fans came to your board and said, "You guys are totally lucky. Your record is inflated. You didn't even have to play against Tebow." Do you think someone maybe would point out, "Um, we did play him but we knocked him out of the game?"
 

Dallas4Bama

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Bradford played in 2 series... Most of the first quarter and led his team to a total of 3 points. Its hard to extrapolate that and say he makes much of a difference in the outcome.

I guess the poster's point was just that if Bradford played the whole game, wouldn't have made much of a difference.
I find it hard to follow your logic here. Colt lead his team to 0 points in the same time frame. So its hard to extrapolate that and get anything from it.

I'm not going to say that OU would have won that game, but for you to pretend losing Bradford didn't hurt OU's chances of winning is to deny or defy logic.
 
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If if's and but's where candy and nuts...I agree, I'm not going to deal with hypothetical situations much. I do think Nebraska with anything on offense and OU without turnstiles on their OL could have beaten Texas, but by the same token if Tennessee had a kicker with a little more leg strength than a child and if Auburn had a slightly better QB Alabama is likely penned with a few more L's too.
 
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