I Don't Know Where to Start With The Team (Literally - No Teaser)

BamaMoon

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I was busy yesterday working on a project. I watched the game while doing so, but probably not as intently as normal.

However, I didn't check the board until this morning and I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START! There are thousands of pages and no telling how many posts.

So in a nutshell, what's up with Alabama football???
 
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RTR_UA#1

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I see what you are saying... WHY is the team playing so poorly?

The QB can't find enough time to pass because the entire defense seems to be staring him in the face before he can take 2 steps.
Has the offensive line been given a blocking scheme that is outdated?
Has everyone else's defense discovered how to beat our offensive line?
What exactly has become our weak spot that EVERYONE seems to be able to use against us?

It is VERY confusing to see....
This is NOT Alabama football..... Our team is too good for this type of play.
 
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FWIW, there's an RBR guy who wrote an article immediately after the Rees hire, who gave detailed stats explaining why he (in RBR's opinion) is an awful hire. An example from this game was a run play on 3rd and 12. That would be bad enough, but in fact that play made zero yards.

He wrote a similar article about Buchner.

The same guy has an article on how yesterday's performance ranks with Alabama's worst passing performances of all time. (There have been worse - e.g. a game with 12 yards against Southern Miss).

Now, a stopped clock is right twice a day, and there are dozens of commentators on the internet. But the stats are the stats, and it certainly gives me serious concerns about whether we have everything that is needed to turn this around timely. I would say, hope for the best, but gird yourselves in the event of a disappointing season.
 
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FWIW, there's an RBR guy who wrote an article immediately after the Rees hire, who gave detailed stats explaining why he (in RBR's opinion) is an awful hire. An example from this game was a run play on 3rd and 12. That would be bad enough, but in fact that play made zero yards.

He wrote a similar article about Buchner.

The same guy has an article on how yesterday's performance ranks with Alabama's worst passing performances of all time. (There have been worse - e.g. a game with 12 yards against Southern Miss).

Now, a stopped clock is right twice a day, and there are dozens of commentators on the internet. But the stats are the stats, and it certainly gives me serious concerns about whether we have everything that is needed to turn this around timely. I would say, hope for the best, but gird yourselves in the event of a disappointing season.
I wasn't sold on Rees, and if he doesn't get it going I don't see him here next year
 
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I wasn't sold on Rees, and if he doesn't get it going I don't see him here next year
Here is the problem…. I hate to play the @4Q Basket Case game of “who do you get” but it is very relevant at this point. We tried to get the Washington OC and had him, but he stayed at Washington for a chump change increase in pay. Then we were forced to settle on Tommy.

I think what you are finally seeing is that no one who is probably going to be good isn’t coming to Alabama or even feeling that they need alabama. After the 2017 and 2018 staffs left in droves, aside from Sark, these staffs are comprised of projects, guys who may or may not, and relics. Why? Because no one sees saban as necessary anymore. We love to see Saban chew coordinators out on tv… but think of how that looks to an up and comer hotshot who doesn’t see that from Kirby, Dabo, Sark, and Kiffin but still sees career mobility with those guys.

Alabama is no longer the standard or the gateway to bigger jobs. And it’s why unless we get a great quarterback that can distribute the ball with a decent Oline it’s almost impossible for us to win big games.
 

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Every offensive play starts with a snap. If you use shotgun or pistol and 40% of the snaps are grounders, your QB better be a good shortstop. Then you have about 5% high snaps and the snaps that are on target are like a MLB fastball. If this is the best we can expect, the QB needs to be moved under center. The rest of the O-line is so bad that it would be impossible to evaluate ANY QB.
 

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Here is the problem…. I hate to play the @4Q Basket Case game of “who do you get” but it is very relevant at this point. We tried to get the Washington OC and had him, but he stayed at Washington for a chump change increase in pay. Then we were forced to settle on Tommy.

I think what you are finally seeing is that no one who is probably going to be good isn’t coming to Alabama or even feeling that they need alabama. After the 2017 and 2018 staffs left in droves, aside from Sark, these staffs are comprised of projects, guys who may or may not, and relics. Why? Because no one sees saban as necessary anymore. We love to see Saban chew coordinators out on tv… but think of how that looks to an up and comer hotshot who doesn’t see that from Kirby, Dabo, Sark, and Kiffin but still sees career mobility with those guys.

Alabama is no longer the standard or the gateway to bigger jobs. And it’s why unless we get a great quarterback that can distribute the ball with a decent Oline it’s almost impossible for us to win big games.
There may still be an up and coming OC out there wanting to get into the big time......just gotta find him
 
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Every offensive play starts with a snap. If you use shotgun or pistol and 40% of the snaps are grounders, your QB better be a good shortstop. Then you have about 5% high snaps and the snaps that are on target are like a MLB fastball. If this is the best we can expect, the QB needs to be moved under center. The rest of the O-line is so bad that it would be impossible to evaluate ANY QB.
This is something that isn’t getting enough attention. I don’t know what’s going on regarding the snaps but a decent one is the exception rather than the norm and it’s throwing things off from the get-go.
 

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Here is the problem…. I hate to play the @4Q Basket Case game of “who do you get” but it is very relevant at this point. We tried to get the Washington OC and had him, but he stayed at Washington for a chump change increase in pay. Then we were forced to settle on Tommy.

I think what you are finally seeing is that no one who is probably going to be good isn’t coming to Alabama or even feeling that they need alabama. After the 2017 and 2018 staffs left in droves, aside from Sark, these staffs are comprised of projects, guys who may or may not, and relics. Why? Because no one sees saban as necessary anymore. We love to see Saban chew coordinators out on tv… but think of how that looks to an up and comer hotshot who doesn’t see that from Kirby, Dabo, Sark, and Kiffin but still sees career mobility with those guys.

Alabama is no longer the standard or the gateway to bigger jobs. And it’s why unless we get a great quarterback that can distribute the ball with a decent Oline it’s almost impossible for us to win big games.
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not a game or a cheap attempt to make the other guy look bad, and there are several reasons for it.

It’s really easy to say, “Fahr heeum!” Then, when asked who the replacement should be, far too often the answer is, “Anybody would be better than this!”

First, that abdicates responsibility for advocating someone’s firing. Second, it’s simply not true.

You can’t replace a fired coach with “Anybody.” You have to replace him with another person who presumably has a name.

On top of which, as a manager, you need to have at least one backup, preferably more. IOW, you need to have several specific names who (1) represent an upgrade over your current circumstances, and (2) are willing to at least listen to an offer.

The question is also an attempt to take some emotion out of the situation. Often the “Fahr heeum!” comes in frustration (as yesterday). Nobody is happy with yesterday’s performance, and we had some advocacy for firing Rees, Wolford and even questioning Saban.

But when faced with the question of who specifically, not named Anybody, would be an upgrade and would come, the gravity of the decision often starts to sink in.

Recently, I’ve also heard (not on TF), something along the lines of, “I’m a fan, I can say whatever I want.” Which is really just another way of saying, “I have no stinkin' idea what I’m yammering about. I’m just an angry (often drunk) guy venting his spleen.” IOW, "I’m the drunk village idiot howling at the moon. Pay me no mind." I'm happy to accommodate that.

Bottom Line: There is nothing easier than to scream (or type) “Fire him!” in a moment of frustration. But that action has lots of downstream implications, some of which might not be public, and might not be easily predictable.

The question is not a game. It’s not an attempt by a pointy-headed mod to say, “Gotcha!” It’s an attempt to slow down, take a breath or 10, and decide whether you’re really prepared for the consequences, both foreseeable and unforeseeable, of an action that can’t be undone.
 
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I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not a game. There are several reasons for it.

It’s really easy to say, “Fahr heeum!” Then, when asked who the replacement should be, the answer is, “Anybody would be better than this!”

First, that abdicates responsibility for advocating someone’s firing. Second, it’s simply not true.

You can’t replace a fired coach with “Anybody.” You have to replace him with another person who presumably has a name.

On top of which, as a manager, you need to have at least one backup, preferably more. IOW, you need to have several specific names who (1) represent an upgrade over your current circumstances, and (2) are willing to at least listen to an offer.

The question is also an attempt to take some emotion out of the situation. Often the “Fahr heeum!” comes in frustration (as yesterday). Nobody is happy with yesterday’s performance, and we had some advocacy for firing Rees, Wolford and even questioning Saban.

But when faced with the question of who specifically, not named Anybody, would be an upgrade and would come, the gravity of the decision often starts to sink in.

Recently, I’ve also heard (not on TF), something along the lines of, “I’m a fan, I can say whatever I want.” Which is really just another way of saying, “I have no idea what I’m talking about. I’m just an angry (often drunk) guy venting his spleen.” IOW, I’m the drunk village idiot howling at the moon. Pay me no mind.

Bottom Line: There is nothing easier than to scream (or type) “Fire him!” in a moment of frustration. But that action has lots of downstream implications, some of which might not be public.

The question is not a game. It’s not an attempt by a pointy-headed mod to say, “gotcha.” It’s an attempt to slow down, take a breath or 10, and decide whether you’re prepared for the consequences, both foreseeable and unforeseeable, of an action that can’t be undone.
I’d rather have just kept BOB at this point. I can’t believe I’m saying that. Honestly, I just want someone who actually WANTS to be OC, and just an OC. And maybe help develop QBs. I’ve never understood the fascination these guys have with becoming a head coach. What’s so wrong with being a career OC? I just want some stability, IDK.
 

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I’d rather have just kept BOB at this point. I can’t believe I’m saying that. Honestly, I just want someone who actually WANTS to be OC, and just an OC. And maybe help develop QBs. I’ve never understood the fascination these guys have with becoming a head coach. What’s so wrong with being a career OC? I just want some stability, IDK.
So say we all.......however, BoB wanted to get back into the pro game, and Bill wanted him back. I think he left of his own accord. There are other OCs out there that Saban could have possibly gotten......and it is just the 3rd game.....I'll give Rees a little time to iron it out
 
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I’d rather have just kept BOB at this point. I can’t believe I’m saying that. Honestly, I just want someone who actually WANTS to be OC, and just an OC. And maybe help develop QBs. I’ve never understood the fascination these guys have with becoming a head coach. What’s so wrong with being a career OC? I just want some stability, IDK.
Which speaks to my point a few posts above.

Not pointing fingers at anybody, but a lot of people wanted BOB fired. Whether he was fired or left on his own, I don't know. But those people got their wish for a new OC. How's that working out?
 
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Which speaks to my point a few posts above.

Not pointing fingers at anybody, but a lot of people wanted BOB fired. Whether he was fired or left on his own, I don't know. But those people got their wish for a new OC. How's that working out?
The anger towards bob and wishing his removal isn’t dismissed just because Rees has concerns of his own. Each is responsible for their own. But the tendril of similar problems rooted within our program may point to deeper problems
 

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Which speaks to my point a few posts above.

Not pointing fingers at anybody, but a lot of people wanted BOB fired. Whether he was fired or left on his own, I don't know. But those people got their wish for a new OC. How's that working out?
He wasn’t “bad” per se, it was just that he appeared not to care. He didn’t tailor the offense to Milroe’s skill set in the aTm game and showed no desire to develop the QBs. He’s clearly an NFL guy, so why hang onto him?

Golding is the one that absolutely HAD to go.
 

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