Is it Really the Time to Consider Firing CKD???

[4Q Basket Case]

Debate all you want. There are legitimate points on both sides of this question. But the tone on this thread is starting to get personal.

Keep the discussion impersonal. That is not a request.

 

[Tidewater]

Have you told CKD he can just flick the switch you seemingly know about to fix it all?

Sir, you are dangerously close to ad hominem attacks.
Please cool it down a bit. To disagree is fine. To attack the other poster is not permitted and may earn you a vacation.

 

[bamadws56]

If he was playing in a disciplined and tough manner, none really.

But he might as well have brought a pacifier with him as well, and if the coaches were worth a fraction of what they're getting paid they'd be the first to call this sort of infantile behavior out.


I said nothing of the sort, but I can tell you what is becoming a disaster. Bringing in someone with no familiarity whatsoever with the SEC.

If you don't understand the teams in the region, the coaches in the region, or the players in the region you... well you look like DeBoer looks right now.This isn't about emulating Saban, I mentioned Dabo even, who I don't even like, and has nothing to do with Saban other than as a rival, but at least he understands the southeast. DeBoer has the team out there unprepared and playing sloppy in large part because he just doesn't understand environment he finds himself in.

My understanding about the doll is it was his niece's or something. She gave it to him for good luck and he carried it proudly because he knew she would see it. No different than letting his sister paint his nails. We really need to move past this doll thing. It wasn't his

 

[81usaf92]

It kind of is. He's representing the University of Alabama and as a fan that matters to me. How he dresses. What he carries. How he interacts with the fans. How he behaves in general matters.

I’m going to leave this here… until you actually meet Ryan Williams, yall might want to lay off the criticism of what yall are talking about him personally. Because I know Ryan a lot closer than a good chunk of the board and I can 100% tell you he isn’t a selfish primadonna like some here think or want to believe.

 

[RammerJammer15]

I’m going to leave this here… until you actually meet Ryan Williams, yall might want to lay off the criticism of what yall are talking about him personally. Because I know Ryan a lot closer than a good chunk of the board and I can 100% tell you he isn’t a selfish primadonna like some here think or want to believe.

Never heard a bad thing about Ryan, seems to be a good kid and has stuck through some rough times

 

[BamaMoon]

Wow, we need Saturday to get here AND we need the Tide to play some dominating football!!!

 

[KrAzY3]

My understanding about the doll is it was his niece's or something. She gave it to him for good luck and he carried it proudly because he knew she would see it. No different than letting his sister paint his nails. We really need to move past this doll thing. It wasn't his

The one problem I sometimes find myself getting into is defending a point I made in isolation, which loses the context. So the I can end up vociferously defend the point, without properly couching it.

The original post I made, which was quoted and then responded to alluded to hoping it was from a kid (which I would have no issue with at all). I honestly don't have anything against Ryan, the main point I was making was in regard to how player's comport themselves and how coaches respond to it. I'll gladly let it go because I wasn't trying to single him out anyway, it was really just an example. If I was being more careful I would have just said "a player" instead and that was my bad.

Even if Ryan did bring a stuffed animal with him purely as part of his outfit, my issue wouldn't so much be with an 18 year old wanting to do that, it would have been with coaches letting him if that makes any sense. That's the issue I have, the players talking about not being late to meetings anymore, the rumors of breaking curfew, the obvious lack of motivation and discipline, that's the context and why I feel coaches should been intervening more.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

My understanding about the doll is it was his niece's or something. She gave it to him for good luck and he carried it proudly because he knew she would see it. No different than letting his sister paint his nails. We really need to move past this doll thing. It wasn't his

Here's the problem with bringing things into the "main thing" that aren't a part of the "main thing". The moment something doesn't go right, as happened on Saturday, the first things that are going to be pointed to are things like bringing stuffed animals with you on the field. I get the sentiment, but at the end of the day, it isn't a part of the "main thing". The team and coaches like to say "keep the main thing the main thing". Well, if we're going to live by that motto, then bringing a teddy bear onto the field in public view isn't keeping "the main thing the main thing". It brings unnecessary scrutiny to the player, team and coaching staff, whether you agree with the scrutiny or not. Anyone who can fog a mirror should know that bringing a teddy bear onto the field would get some sort of negative attention, no matter how good the intentions are. They're there to play and win a football game, not give shout outs to family members by bringing teddy bears onto the field.

 

[cdub55]

Here's the problem with bringing things into the "main thing" that aren't a part of the "main thing". The moment something doesn't go right, as happened on Saturday, the first things that are going to be pointed to are things like bringing stuffed animals with you on the field. I get the sentiment, but at the end of the day, it isn't a part of the "main thing". The team and coaches like to say "keep the main thing the main thing". Well, if we're going to live by that motto, then bringing a teddy bear onto the field in public view isn't keeping "the main thing the main thing". It brings unnecessary scrutiny to the player, team and coaching staff, whether you agree with the scrutiny or not. Anyone who can fog a mirror should know that bringing a teddy bear onto the field would get some sort of negative attention, no matter how good the intentions are. They're there to play and win a football game, not give shout outs to family members by bringing teddy bears onto the field.

Nailed it!

It is no different than a player doing antics after a big play. There is nuance and context that has to be injected into place.

Player A makes a sack and is an All American and is winning the game by 35. He gets up and acts as if he is tearing his jersey off after the play. Cool by me.

Player B makes a sack and has played like garbage all season and is losing the game by 21. He gets up and acts as if he is tearing his jersey off after the play. Pull him off the field and shove your size 11 where the sun doesn't shine coach!

No one has an issue with the "extra" when the "extra" doesn't take away from the job that is at hand. Everyone has issue with the "extra" when the job isn't getting done. Less is more and addition by subtraction are applicable in this case.

 

[BamaMoon]

Yeah, it's like a picture someone posted on Twitter alleging that KP had a phone in his hand during warm-ups.

I don't know if that's true or not, but if we win by 2 tds like we thought we would, this doesn't get brought up.

 

[bamamc1]

Wow, we need Saturday to get here AND we need the Tide to play some dominating football!!!

Best post I've seen all week!

 

[AlexanderFan]

Here's the problem with bringing things into the "main thing" that aren't a part of the "main thing". The moment something doesn't go right, as happened on Saturday, the first things that are going to be pointed to are things like bringing stuffed animals with you on the field. I get the sentiment, but at the end of the day, it isn't a part of the "main thing". The team and coaches like to say "keep the main thing the main thing". Well, if we're going to live by that motto, then bringing a teddy bear onto the field in public view isn't keeping "the main thing the main thing". It brings unnecessary scrutiny to the player, team and coaching staff, whether you agree with the scrutiny or not. Anyone who can fog a mirror should know that bringing a teddy bear onto the field would get some sort of negative attention, no matter how good the intentions are. They're there to play and win a football game, not give shout outs to family members by bringing teddy bears onto the field.

Winning makes everything better.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Winning makes everything better.

Winning covers over a multitude of sins. As long as they're winning, these coaches and players basically can come and go as they please. But as soon as the winning stops, all the non football things they've brought into the picture gets picked a part like a bunch of vultures.

It's like my HS baseball coach told us, as long as you're "hitting" you can do it your way. But the moment you stop "hitting", we're doing it my way or you can ride the bench for the next four years.

 

[KrAzY3]

Here's the problem with bringing things into the "main thing" that aren't a part of the "main thing".

The sad part of all of this, is that if I'm a coach trying to instill discipline and get through to players, I'd welcome some stuff like this to address. I can't just start yelling at them randomly because I see a look in their eyes or something that concerns me, but if I see someone with a cell phone out or something? I'm going to rip them a new one, it's a chance to get everyone's attention, to focus them, to say hey take this seriously! This coaching staff honestly seems to be loafing themselves, may be their schemes are great and all of that, but if you don't show up focused and dialed in it won't matter and that requires discipline.

No one has an issue with the "extra" when the "extra" doesn't take away from the job that is at hand. Everyone has issue with the "extra" when the job isn't getting done. Less is more and addition by subtraction are applicable in this case.

I remember hearing other players talk about what it felt like to see Alabama walk onto the field and how they basically already felt defeated. I don't think that's the impression anymore, and I'd think everyone involved with the program would desperately want that back. If what you're doing is working, people are not likely to question it. This isn't working though. At this point I'd darn near have those kids marching out there like they're from a military institute or something. Clearly things are out of hand and they don't get fixed unless you start with the small stuff.

I don't know if that's true or not, but if we win by 2 tds like we thought we would, this doesn't get brought up.

Part of the issue is we are looking for explanations and to understand precisely what is wrong. Scrutinizing player behavior is part of that. It is ultimately a symptom, and I hold the coaches accountable, not necessarily the players. The coaches are the ones that set and maintain the standard, failure to do so is on them.

 

[Rocky Mtn Bob]

After watching some of this, it wasn't effort. It was hesitancy because we weren't prepared.

Maybe CKD was right about playing on our heels.

Wommack has some work to do!!!

Film Guy was beside himself with frustration! (I am, too.)

What were the coaches and players doing the last three weeks? I ask because it seems pretty clear they were not preparing for Alabama Football!!!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Film Guy was beside himself with frustration! (I am, too.)

What were the coaches and players doing the last three weeks? I ask because it seems pretty clear they were not preparing for Alabama Football!!!

And what's more frustrating is Wommack's system was supposed to be "easier" to play in than Saban's which should have resulted in a quicker learning curve rather than still seeing confusion in year two.

 

[KrAzY3]

And what's more frustrating is Wommack's system was supposed to be "easier" to play in than Saban's which should have resulted in a quicker learning curve rather than still seeing confusion in year two.

I didn't want to toss out Saban's system because it was proven in the SEC. The defense won 10 championships, it works, we know it. I also felt if DeBoer kept it, he could have put more energy into putting his offensive system into place.

That aside though, I'm beginning to think we thought of as a problem was one of the main features. We know Saban's defense was hard to learn, but we also saw plenty of true freshman make a big impact. So it wasn't impossible, it didn't required years to learn, you could do it from year 1.

It was just hard to see the field if you didn't grasp the defense, and in order to grasp the defense you obviously had to be really focused and disciplined. So it basically weeded out the undisciplined players.

So, I'm starting to think that the reason it has been so successful isn't because it's a genius scheme or something, but that it forces players into developing the necessary tools to compete at a championship level.

 

[countrytider]

I’m going to leave this here… until you actually meet Ryan Williams, yall might want to lay off the criticism of what yall are talking about him personally. Because I know Ryan a lot closer than a good chunk of the board and I can 100% tell you he isn’t a selfish primadonna like some here think or want to believe.

He may not be a selfish primadonna, but so far he’s a bust. Bernard is our best WR by far. Maybe not the most talented, but it doesn’t matter if that talent doesn’t produce.

 

[editder]

Nailed it!

It is no different than a player doing antics after a big play. There is nuance and context that has to be injected into place.

Player A makes a sack and is an All American and is winning the game by 35. He gets up and acts as if he is tearing his jersey off after the play. Cool by me.

Player B makes a sack and has played like garbage all season and is losing the game by 21. He gets up and acts as if he is tearing his jersey off after the play. Pull him off the field and shove your size 11 where the sun doesn't shine coach!

No one has an issue with the "extra" when the "extra" doesn't take away from the job that is at hand. Everyone has issue with the "extra" when the job isn't getting done. Less is more and addition by subtraction are applicable in this case.

Well stated.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I didn't want to toss out Saban's system because it was proven in the SEC. The defense won 10 championships, it works, we know it. I also felt if DeBoer kept it, he could have put more energy into putting his offensive system into place.

That aside though, I'm beginning to think we thought of as a problem was one of the main features. We know Saban's defense was hard to learn, but we also saw plenty of true freshman make a big impact. So it wasn't impossible, it didn't required years to learn, you could do it from year 1.

It was just hard to see the field if you didn't grasp the defense, and in order to grasp the defense you obviously had to be really focused and disciplined. So it basically weeded out the undisciplined players.

So, I'm starting to think that the reason it has been so successful isn't because it's a genius scheme or something, but that it forces players into developing the necessary tools to compete at a championship level.

Saban's genius was never in what scheme he ran. Clearly, he was married to his preferred defensive scheme as a former DB and defensive position coach. And clearly he was far more willing to change the scheme on offense. But what made Coach Saban a genius was his ability to motivate his players to play hard no matter what, to learn the scheme no matter what it was, and to execute it with precision.

He could have won at the same level with any scheme, because he was so good at getting his team to focus on the mission and execute it no matter what the circumstances were.