It's official - Russia enters Crimea

[bamachile]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

Yah, I know what you mean.

Truth be told, I don't think anyone since Reagan would be able to handle this.

And handle it he would. I disagreed with Reagan on a number of domestic issues, but he projected US military power abroad like a boss.

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[Bamaro]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

And handle it he would. I disagreed with Reagan on a number of domestic issues, but he projected US military power abroad like a boss.

How can you reconcile that feeling with the way he cut and ran in Lebanon?

 

[bamachile]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

How can you reconcile that feeling with the way he cut and ran in Lebanon?

Well, I thought someone would take exception.

I think "cut and ran" is a pretty strong characterization. With no clear enemy force and no congressional (or allied) support for the mission, he ordered a withdrawal. Would you argue that he should've kept forces there?

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[RammerJammer14]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

Well, in the spirit of the times:

 

[Tidewater]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

Well, in the spirit of the times:

The Manchurian Candidate probably got a little woody watching that video.

 

[Bamaro]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

Well, I thought someone would take exception.

I think "cut and ran" is a pretty strong characterization. With no clear enemy force and no congressional (or allied) support for the mission, he ordered a withdrawal. Would you argue that he should've kept forces there?

No but he sent them there and apparently was fine with them being there until the truck bombs went off, pledged that we would stay and withdrew less than 4 months later.

 

[bamachile]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

No but he sent them there and apparently was fine with them being there until the truck bombs went off, pledged that we would stay and withdrew less than 4 months later.

Yup. The pledge was a mistake, I think.

I'm not attempting to argue a perfect record for RR. I do think he played a strong hand internationally, though, and I still think you have to go back at least that far to find a POTUS who could handle this mess effectively.

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[RammerJammer14]

Everyone keeps drawing parallels to Hitler, Germany, and WWII, but this whole situation reminds me of WWI as well.

1905/1911 The British and French clashed with the Germans in the Tangier and Agadir Crisis, nearly leading to war on both occasions. The Balkan states were chipping away at the Ottoman Empire. France wanted Alsace-Lorraine back. Germany was trying to show that it, too, could be a formidable world Imperial power. But as we all know, war did not follow until 3yrs later.

The Western world had also come to the conclusion that prolonged wars would never occur again- society had reached the cultural peak, the world economy was too interconnected, it wasn't in anyone's interests to wage a protracted, large scale war.

Well, we shall see. Russia clearly wants to be seen as a world power again, and wants to dominate its sphere of influence. Their actions in Georgia were the beginning. Now we have Crimea and Ukraine. Sadly peace between major nations never seems to last more than 100yrs at a time. I wouldn't bank on society being too "post-modern" to wage a full scale war.

 

[bamacon]

I retract my earlier post. With an estimated 67,000 Russian troops on the border we have sent 150 to Poland with a total reaching 600 at a later date. That'll show 'em.

 

[Tidewater]

I retract my earlier post. With an estimated 67,000 Russian troops on the border we have sent 150 to Poland with a total reaching 600 at a later date. That'll show 'em.

Yeah, but they are 150 really good soldiers.

 

[mittman]

Yeah, but they are 150 really good soldiers.

15O John Rambos with the ability to stand there with thousands of bullets coming at him and not get hit once. I wonder sometimes if our leaders have watched too many movies or played too many war video games.

 

[mittman]

Re: It's official - Russian enter Crimea

No but he sent them there and apparently was fine with them being there until the truck bombs went off, pledged that we would stay and withdrew less than 4 months later.

I have never been a big fan of token forces. I think it was a mistake on his part. Especially will everything that had happened up to that point.

Interesting behind the scenes look by K.T. McFarland on that:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...orgotten-from-beirut-marine-barracks-bombing/

I doubt any "peace keeping" force will have any effect here. It might just exacerbate the situation like the force did in Lebanon. This whole episode may be the death knell for NATO.

 

[bamacon]

Putin has a name for his nightmares...they are called Chuck Norrises

 

[TideEngineer08]

Everyone keeps drawing parallels to Hitler, Germany, and WWII, but this whole situation reminds me of WWI as well.

1905/1911 The British and French clashed with the Germans in the Tangier and Agadir Crisis, nearly leading to war on both occasions. The Balkan states were chipping away at the Ottoman Empire. France wanted Alsace-Lorraine back. Germany was trying to show that it, too, could be a formidable world Imperial power. But as we all know, war did not follow until 3yrs later.

The Western world had also come to the conclusion that prolonged wars would never occur again- society had reached the cultural peak, the world economy was too interconnected, it wasn't in anyone's interests to wage a protracted, large scale war.

Well, we shall see. Russia clearly wants to be seen as a world power again, and wants to dominate its sphere of influence. Their actions in Georgia were the beginning. Now we have Crimea and Ukraine. Sadly peace between major nations never seems to last more than 100yrs at a time. I wouldn't bank on society being too "post-modern" to wage a full scale war.

I believe it is near the height of misguided arrogance and idiocy to ever believe society has reached the point of being too sophisticated to war against each other. It will never happen as long as we walk this earth.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I believe it is near the height of misguided arrogance and idiocy to ever believe society has reached the point of being too sophisticated to war against each other. It will never happen as long as we walk this earth.

As long as there is greed and religion, we'll continue to fight.

 

[TideEngineer08]

As long as there is greed and religion, we'll continue to fight.

I would limit it to simply ego - which both fall under. You could eliminate religion from the world, and we'd still fight. I love the argument from humanists or atheists that if we were just able to do away with religion, we wouldn't have wars anymore. Oh really? Well if the atheists are correct and there is no God or gods, or anything supernatural, and no after-life, then religion has always been just something mankind dreamed up, right? Eliminate religion and mankind would have simply dreamed up some other construct to fight over.

It's ego. It has always been ego.

 

[RammerJammer14]

15O John Rambos with the ability to stand there with thousands of bullets coming at him and not get hit once. I wonder sometimes if our leaders have watched too many movies or played too many war video games.

Nah dude no problem they just respawn.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Ukraine PM - Russia wants to start WW3. Maybe so, but I think the Ukraine PM wants it too.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...t-world-war-iii-ukrainian-pm-yatsenyuk-n89481

 

[cbi1972]

 

[RammerJammer14]

That was crazy cool.