Jameson Williams suspended for Gambling Policy Violations

[PA Tide Fan]

Seems a bit harsh to me. He may not have even been betting on a sporting event of any kind, but could have been playing some hands of Blackjack or some other casino game.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I know the ship has sailed, but I don't think they should be able to gamble at all, on anything.

And yes, it's about the integrity of the game. As in point-shaving or outright throwing of games.

The issue isn't so much about the player trying to win a bet against his own team, though that consideration exists.

It's more about getting into debt to guys that give you more than a bad credit rating if you don't pay them. As in, "Mr. #1 QB, this eight-figure tab could evaporate if you'd just confuse your wide receiver with the opposing DB a couple of times in this playoff game. Think it over. Cute little girl you have there. She goes to the Country Day School, doesn't she?"

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Look I get it. They broke the rules. But those that didn't bet on NFL games still feels way to harsh for me. The NFL let's people get away with worse and continue to play so idk

 

[Tidewater]

To qoute one of my favorite philosophers (Jimi Hendrix), "That ain't too cool."

 

[BamaNation]

I don't gamble. I think gambling is stupid.

I don't question the suspension because the rule was written, so let it be enforced.

That said, an NFL player gambling on a sport unrelated to the NFL should not be a violation of any rule. Or, better said, such a rule is stupid and should not exist. That is, if we are going to say as a society that gambling is ok.

This has been my TED Talk.

I think the issue is that he's doing it in an NFL / team building which is explicitly against the rules and he absolutely would know that.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I disagree, respectfully.

A player in debt to ANY bookie or ANYONE for ANY reason is easy prey for helping to fix/influence the outcome of games. All Jameson has to do is drop a key pass at a key juncture, although only a damn fool would be betting on the Detroit Lions in the first place.

That's a point I had not considered and it's a good one.

I think the issue is that he's doing it in an NFL / team building which is explicitly against the rules and he absolutely would know that.

I really don't have an issue at all with his suspension. It's a rule and he broke it. Just as a big picture look at it, I couldn't see why it matters at all that he would be gambling on non-NFL things (even if on an NFL facility). But Selma raises an issue that I had not considered. Being in debt to bookies is not the same as being in debt to the bank.

 

[RammerJammer14]

What in the world are these guys thinking. Potentially losing hundreds of thousands of dollars by being suspended for games or the entire season. I don't get it.

It’s a gamble I suppose

 

[CajunCrimson]

Yeah, I have to admit that rule is pretty ridiculous. I know the NFL is trying to appear as above-board as possible, but c'mon...

That said, play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

Put a team in Vegas. Then suspend millionaires for betting on things other than football. Seems dumb.

 

[CajunCrimson]

I disagree, respectfully.

A player in debt to ANY bookie or ANYONE for ANY reason is easy prey for helping to fix/influence the outcome of games. All Jameson has to do is drop a key pass at a key juncture, although only a damn fool would be betting on the Detroit Lions in the first place.

Is DraftKings a bookie?

 

[CajunCrimson]

So if Ingram scratches a $1 scratch off in the locker room he can be suspended ?

 

[twofbyc]

That's a point I had not considered and it's a good one.



I really don't have an issue at all with his suspension. It's a rule and he broke it. Just as a big picture look at it, I couldn't see why it matters at all that he would be gambling on non-NFL things (even if on an NFL facility). But Selma raises an issue that I had not considered. Being in debt to bookies is not the same as being in debt to the bank.

Wealthy play by different rules, and bookies and casinos take bets from them without upfront money; BetUS and other online gaming apps do not(that I know if) so the “being indebted “ part applies in some scenarios, but not all of the forbidden ones.
Rule does seem to stretch a little, but it is a rule and doing it precisely where you’re forbidden from doing it is dumb.

 

[GrayTide]

I may be wrong, but I do not see a long NFL career ahead for Williams.

 

[CajunCrimson]

I may be wrong, but I do not see a long NFL career ahead for Williams.

Because he bet on college football? Or because he was injured?

 

[Tidewater]

If someone hired me to do something I loved, and agreed to pay me one million dollars a year to do it on the condition that I never get a speeding ticket, and, if I did get a speeding ticket, my pay would be suspended for a year, I would probably get used to taking an Uber.
It may be a dumb rule, but it is a condition of employment.

 

[Al A Bama]

I said hundreds of thousand of dollars lost. It is actually in the millions. Amazing.

Jameson Williams to lose $6.877M in guaranteed salary due to suspension

Jameson Williams’ rookie season got off to a late start due to a torn ACL suffered in college and he’ll now miss the start of his 2023 campaign, too. The NFL suspended Williams six games due to a gambling violation, along with three other Lions players. It’s

lionswire.usatoday.com

Looks like he lost that bet in a BIG time way! How much did he bet to lose over $6 million?

 

[BearFoot]

I know the ship has sailed, but I don't think they should be able to gamble at all, on anything.

And yes, it's about the integrity of the game. As in point-shaving or outright throwing of games.

The issue isn't so much about the player trying to win a bet against his own team, though that consideration exists.

It's more about getting into debt to guys that give you more than a bad credit rating if you don't pay them. As in, "Mr. #1 QB, this eight-figure tab could evaporate if you'd just confuse your wide receiver with the opposing DB a couple of times in this playoff game. Think it over. Cute little girl you have there. She goes to the Country Day School, doesn't she?"

 

[selmaborntidefan]

But Selma raises an issue that I had not considered. Being in debt to bookies is not the same as being in debt to the bank.

I never thought of it until the whole Pete Rose debacle, which destroyed my life when I was 19 and I couldn't understand the whole deal.

Now I get it - I just wish someone from the media at the time when it was considered self-evident to everyone else would have explained.

Keep this in mind:
1) the problem lies with compulsive gambling (and who knows who's doing that)
2) and the integrity of the game

I knew when I was a kid that Pete Rose gambled huge sums of money on horse racing in the 1960s.
My problem with "you can get on other sports but you can't bet on the sport you play" is that what usually happens is people don't start that way - they just end up that way (as Rose did). You get thousands or millions into a guy, and you can do one of two things: 1) bet on the sport you understand the most; 2) offer to 'clear your tab" with a bad game that basically assures your lender makes his money back plus interest.

Even with the argument "but this isn't a bookie," how do you know he's not doing something on the side?
Gambling is NOT rational once it becomes compulsive. Folks that gamble on X and Y don't tend to draw the line at Z. (My sole gambling pleasure used to be a $10 entry into a pool for the NCAA b-ball tournament. In light of the fact I think I finished next-to-las in the TF tournament, you can understand why I don't gamble.

And here's the thing: let's say a player was ALWAYS on the up and up. What's to stop the lender whom you owe money to from alleging in print you OFFERED to clear your tab by throwing a game?

I'm a bottom line guy. I'm with Johnny Bench on Jameson here - "he broke the rules."

It doesn't matter if I think it's a stupid rule. Dope may be legal now but your employer can still test you and insist you not use it during employment there, too.

 

[CajunCrimson]

I never thought of it until the whole Pete Rose debacle, which destroyed my life when I was 19 and I couldn't understand the whole deal.

Now I get it - I just wish someone from the media at the time when it was considered self-evident to everyone else would have explained.

Keep this in mind:
1) the problem lies with compulsive gambling (and who knows who's doing that)
2) and the integrity of the game

I knew when I was a kid that Pete Rose gambled huge sums of money on horse racing in the 1960s.
My problem with "you can get on other sports but you can't bet on the sport you play" is that what usually happens is people don't start that way - they just end up that way (as Rose did). You get thousands or millions into a guy, and you can do one of two things: 1) bet on the sport you understand the most; 2) offer to 'clear your tab" with a bad game that basically assures your lender makes his money back plus interest.

Even with the argument "but this isn't a bookie," how do you know he's not doing something on the side?
Gambling is NOT rational once it becomes compulsive. Folks that gamble on X and Y don't tend to draw the line at Z. (My sole gambling pleasure used to be a $10 entry into a pool for the NCAA b-ball tournament. In light of the fact I think I finished next-to-las in the TF tournament, you can understand why I don't gamble.

And here's the thing: let's say a player was ALWAYS on the up and up. What's to stop the lender whom you owe money to from alleging in print you OFFERED to clear your tab by throwing a game?

I'm a bottom line guy. I'm with Johnny Bench on Jameson here - "he broke the rules."

It doesn't matter if I think it's a stupid rule. Dope may be legal now but your employer can still test you and insist you not use it during employment there, too.

Why do they need a bookie ? It’s legal in most states through an app on your phone.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Why do they need a bookie ? It’s legal in most states through an app on your phone.

I'd bet dollars to donuts he was using a betting app that checks your location to make sure it's legal where you are.

And they're about as 'dirty' as a venmo transfer.

 

[B1GTide]

The NFL is in bed with DraftKings. Pretending that they care about integrity in this area is laughable. But I don't feel sorry for idiot millionaires who can't follow simple rules