John Gruden for Bama coach????

[Jack Bourbon]

Re: John Gruden????

Didnt Shula coach at Tampa Bay?

Nice necro. . .

back to teh topic, I watched a special on Gruden and he was at his bro's game and unleashed the most inappropriate language possible.

That said, I have no problem "going after him" football-wise.

 

[TideFan40]

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Try using the search function. Everything potential coach thread you have started has alredy been posted numerous times.

Sorry. We all keep forgetting that you are the Lord. We will try not to make any more mistakes here Lord. Please forgive us all.

 

[THE BAMA IRISHMAN]

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Are you sure? With which team?

Seriously? :BigA:

 

[bamar]

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i think john gruden would be great at alabama. you cant blame the salary cap on john. when you have a strong team, other teams will buy your players. this year, he had a young chris simms coming around, and got hurt lost for the season. both lines need rebuilding, you have to buy the replacements. he has always been a winner. he took a oakland program, and they won, even with the circus out there. he took over t tampa bay program with exceptional talent, but dungy as usual is not tough enough to win big. thank goodness, he has payton manning as his head coach at the colts. he would never have to worry about losing players at alabama, since there is no salary cap or owners that wont spend the money. by the way i believe tampa bay was in the playoffs last year. he is having a bad year this year, so i guess, that rules him out, reminds me of shula.

 

[Alanbama27]

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yeah and I'm a huge Bucs fan as well and Tampa's offense isn't anything to write home about guys

other than one good year using players Tony Dungy brought in, Chucky hasn't done a whole lot... Once the salary cap became a problem and the players had to leave, tampa's program has been on rapid decline...

and you can't watch a Tampa came and not see Gruden yelling "F*ck" or "that is Bull S*it" on camera, now I wouldn't really classify those traits with "class"... Now he fits pro football well, I DON'T want to see him at the capstone...

And exactly how is that a problem? I really wish the people who keep talking about cussing would just GET OFF IT! It's part of all sports, always has been, always will be. If you don't like it, I suggest you begin watching advanced basket weaving. It is in any sport and frankly doesn't offend me one bit. If it offends you, I think you've picked the wrong thing to watch on Saturdays. Don't forget...as good a person as Shula is, he let the "F" bombs fly a lot more than you would likely care to mention.

It is obvious you never played football, unless you did so at a religious school somewhere hidden from the world because even the religious schools around Birmingham have cussing at games and at practice.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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i think john gruden would be great at alabama. you cant blame the salary cap on john.

Ehh, whatever. This is the same excuse we saw for Shula when we weren't complaining about personnel, but rather execution and lack of fire.

I've been a Bucs fan for decades (Bucco Bruce forever!), literally, and in our history not one coach has done so little with so much. We have never, never had the offensive firepower we have even today, and yet we're averaging about 12ppg. This from an offensive genius?

Sorry, but the personnel thing's a wash. It's been his call to bring in all these aging, injury-prone players. He lacks the wisdom to be a great head coach, and if he hadn't inherited Dungy's brilliant squad, no one would even be considering him right now.

Gruden is most certainly not the answer here.

 

[Hawk324]

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It is obvious you never played football, unless you did so at a religious school somewhere hidden from the world because even the religious schools around Birmingham have cussing at games and at practice.

*Laughing* That's the spirit! And many of the religious school players do it too.

But you're right. Shula let em fly at times as has most every other coach. Not the most admirable trait, but there it is.

I've seen an NFL special on Gruden and he can be quite the charmer. This makes me wonder if he might possibly do well at recruiting. Having a superbowl on his resume' helps too. These kids would want to have some insight into what it takes to go pro.

Honestly i dont know that Bama would seriously consider Gruden or know if Gruden would seriously want to be considered. But I'd rather have him than some of the coaches that are being mentioned.

 

[BamaIMRice]

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It never hurts to ask!! Maybe his time in Tampa Bay is starting to wind down, and he wants a new challenge..here's for hoping he would at least consider it!!

 

[BamaBuc]

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Yeah man he won with TD's players and hasn't done much of anything since! Last year was more of a fluke than anything..... Ya'll can have him if ya want him........

 

[Bobby Dodd]

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Rumor here is that Gruden has purchased some property in the Great Smokey Mountains as a retreat from Tampa Bay life. His wife was a UT cheerleader, and he coached under Johnny Majors. So who knows...

 

[Titletown]

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Just some quick points about Gruden.....

1) I have heard many people within football state that should he ever make the jump to college that team will have ENORMOUS success.

2) He is considered the hardest working coach in the NFL, which would mean he would be considered the hardest working coach in college by a large margin.

3) Due to his personality, success in the past, work ethic and attitude, he would DOMINATE the recruiting trail. And this isn't just me talking. When he was about to take the Notre Dame job, coaches around that area of the country were really worried, and planning frantically (UT being one school primarily).

4) Gruden's main failure is not as a coach, but as a GM. He has fallen victim to the common theme of good HC's who think they can run the whole show. Make him just a coach, and look out.

Gruden would be my #1 choice above everybody else, but it isn't an real possibility. I do however believe he is closer to giving college a try due to the pay scale with the NFL becoming closer.

 

[hightide5]

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But you're right. Shula let em fly at times as has most every other coach. Not the most admirable trait, but there it is.

Every coach cusses on the sidelines. If you think cussing makes a bad coach then why don't we look at Stallings. If you ever watched him on the sidelines his mouth was very dirty, but he won a national championship. If they cuss on the sidelines it means they are competitive and want to win more than anything. Would yall rather have a laid back coach that did not light into people or would yall like a guy that points out mistakes and really cares about what he is doing?

 

[AdamMc2003]

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And exactly how is that a problem? I really wish the people who keep talking about cussing would just GET OFF IT! It's part of all sports, always has been, always will be. If you don't like it, I suggest you begin watching advanced basket weaving. It is in any sport and frankly doesn't offend me one bit. If it offends you, I think you've picked the wrong thing to watch on Saturdays. Don't forget...as good a person as Shula is, he let the "F" bombs fly a lot more than you would likely care to mention.

It is obvious you never played football, unless you did so at a religious school somewhere hidden from the world because even the religious schools around Birmingham have cussing at games and at practice.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, I say my fair share of cuss words, I'm just looking at how a lot of Bama fans would look at it, personally the more I think about it, the more I'd like to see him there... So he has my vote, he is very disciplined, and Keith Brown wouldn't be punching trainers on his team, I promise you that :biggrin:

 

[Tide & Titans]

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Class act?????!! are we talking about the same guy?

Just because he looks like Chucky, doesn't mean he is Chucky. He's won a Super Bowl and I've never seen any indication that he is anything but a class act. He's just a tough no nonsense guy that would be perfect in Tuscaloosa. To me, he is the NFL version of Bob Stoops, who everyone on this board seems to be in love with.

 

[TiderDawg]

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Please guys we do not need any NFL coaches at the capstone ... for we all know all too well what hapened to the last QB coach that was hired and what he did to our team.:mad2:

 

[bamasae]

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I'm not sure Gruden is the man, but then again, I didn't think Pete Carroll would do what he did at USC either.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

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Ehh, whatever. This is the same excuse we saw for Shula when we weren't complaining about personnel, but rather execution and lack of fire.

I've been a Bucs fan for decades (Bucco Bruce forever!), literally, and in our history not one coach has done so little with so much. We have never, never had the offensive firepower we have even today, and yet we're averaging about 12ppg. This from an offensive genius?

Sorry, but the personnel thing's a wash. It's been his call to bring in all these aging, injury-prone players. He lacks the wisdom to be a great head coach, and if he hadn't inherited Dungy's brilliant squad, no one would even be considering him right now.

Gruden is most certainly not the answer here.

If this logic were valid, then successful college coaches who move onto the pros would end up being successful, and unsuccessful pro coaches would not see success in college.

There is ample evidence that this is not the case. See Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Pete Carroll and Charlie Weiss.

I'm not saying I support Chuckie as our next HC. I just don't agree that a lack of success in the NFL translates into the same at the college level.

 

[AdamMc2003]

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ever noticed how a lot of college coaches go to the pros and can't win, but pro coaches can come to the college level and be successful... the reason why is simple, in the Pros, you aren't coaching YOUR team, you're coaching THE OWNER'S team... In college, if you get mad at a player, you bench him, in the Pros if you get mad at a player, you still have to answer to the owner, he has $18 million tied up in the player, so guess what, he is STILL playing on Sunday, and once players realize they can do whatever they want, well, all heck breaks loose...

Gruden would probably be a good recruiter(ties to the NFL), is a disciplined coach, and we wouldn't have to worry about him showing emotion on the side line. If he was hired at the capstone, i'd have no problem with it and would support Chucky all the way, he has only had ONE year to coach Tampa the way HE wanted, that was his first season there, and they won the Super Bowl, after that the salary cap bug hit(with success brings players wanting a lot more money) and his troop broke up, now the Glazers are trying to coach the team and be owners and Gruden just isn't in a good situation, as a Bucs fan, I can say I don't see him being in Tampa after the year, and rumor says he wants to try out the college level, I say go for it Mal...

 

[DrewBama]

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Look, I'm a HUGE Bucs fan, have been for decades, but to call Gruden a good coach is a bit of a stretch - he inherited a team that Dungy had competing for divisional titles year in and out and won the SB his first season. Since then he's 26-33 and we're SUCKING this season...

So what you are saying is that Gruden won a Super Bowl with the same players that Dungy couldn't win a Super Bowl with? Well, that is the very definition of being a good COACH. He may suck at personnel decisions within the salary cap, but how does that imply that he isn't a good coach. That isn't meant to be a flame. That just seems like a contradictory statement to me.

RTR!

 

[crimsonaudio]

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So what you are saying is that Gruden won a Super Bowl with the same players that Dungy couldn't win a Super Bowl with? Well, that is the very definition of being a good COACH.

According to your logic, Dubose was a good coach as well after coming out of nowhere to win the SEC in '99...

But we all know it happened because he had an experienced, talen-laden team that despite his efforts was very good. The same holds true for CJG, imo. Just as CJK deserves much of the credits for last year's 10-2 record, Monte Kiffin deserves the accolades for Super Bowl XXXVII.

Stop mentioning the salary-cap - his issue is that he doesn't deal well with other's egos - he's systematically run off every single egotisitcal player we've had. While I agree that would be good in college and i don't personally care for egotistical players, dealing with these infantile egomaniacs is simply part of the game for an NFL coach, and he can't even handle that aspect of it.

Is he a decent coach? Yah.

Would he do better than Shula? Yah, but that's not really the bar I use to measure who we should hire.

Might he do well in college? Perhaps. But aside from one season, where he inherited a team so good I could have taken them to the playoffs, what exactly has CJG accomplished to make him such a consideration?