Lamar Jackson — Weaknesses as a QB

[81usaf92]

That still doesn't explain why it was abandoned for the last game.

Yeah but acting like Harbaugh not letting him “be Lamar” is just not accurate. If anything he lets him be Lamar too much.

Most of Lamar’s runs are improvised. If anyone wants to point the finger at why then it starts with Lamar. Why is Lamar not running when he sees triple coverage in the center of the field? Why aren’t you asking that question?

 

[81usaf92]

That's what Todd Monken did this season, or according to all the former players and coach talking heads on ESPN. That's been the biggest excuse for Lamar, is the OC wouldn't let Lamar "be Lamar". Everything I've heard throughout this season is exactly what Monken has done. He's conformed and adjusted the entire offense to fit Lamar. So what specifically do you think needs to be done differently for Lamar "to be himself"?

Anyone that actually has watched this three ring Barnum Bailey Act known as the Ravens offense over the last 3-4 years sees it for what it is… a gimmick offense designed to cover up Lamar’s weaknesses. Yeah it looks great when it’s running against bad defenses but once they play real defenses they get a whooping.

Basically this is their offense in a nutshell… Plan A: gimmick offense full of great talent… Plan B: I hope Lamar’s raw talent is enough.

 

[hfhmilkman]

A few comments. The problem with Lamar Jackson is not whether he is GOAT material or not but his compensation. When a team goes "pay ridiculous money" route, it means that there is less material to complete the rest of the staff. How does this game go if Andrews is healthy all year and Kelce is playing his first game back after recovering from a broken leg? Even a GOAT needs someone to throw to as minus Kelce the Chiefs offense looked pretty pedestrian without him.

I am a Lions fan and I have to ask what is the true value of Goff? What happens to Goff when some of those offensive linemen go because there is not enough cap to pay them all? That is what makes Brock Purdy so valuable. Its not his capability. In the vast scheme of things he seems to be a decent guy surrounded by superstars. But to get some modicum of consistency for 1M dollars a year is huge. Purdy is hugely valuable not for what he does but what he does for the price. If Lamar Jackson were the same QB but on a rookie contract, he might be GOAT like. The fact that Jackson is costly means there are less talented pieces elsewhere like WR. Flowers was an attempt to address that.

Back to the Lions, Campbell is who he is. He was aggressive all year. It seemed to be reasonable to me because the Lions defense was not going to stop SF in the 2nd half. Far less capable passing attacks put up a billion yards. Example, the last game and Baker Mayfield. Lions needed TD's. 4th and 2 was an 80% pickup during the regular season. Both 4th down plays had the proper call and there was a failure in execution. Not Campbells fault he put his players in a position to succeed and they failed. Goff, missed wheel route to Gibbs. He missed LaPorta on a deep throw. Williamson misplayed yet another deep shot. Gibbs fumbled. And our corner let an interception bounce off of his helmet.

 

[BamaInBham]

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Nope - look at his rushing stats. He was a running QB. Less so now, but back then he was absolutely a running QB.

No, the stats clearly support that Wilson is more like Tarkington, Elway and Rodgers than Jackson. Whether Wilson is a "running QB" or not was not my statement, it was whether Wilson is more like the 3 QBs named or Lamar Jackson. It's obvious he is closer to the trio.

The seasons are the first 10 of each career as a starter.

Player	Seasons	Games Started	Rushing Attempts Per Game	Rushing YPG	Rushing TDs Per 10 games
Tarkington	10	140	3.38	29.68	1.57
Elway	10	144	3.42	15.95	1.53
Rodgers	10	142	3.62	18.49	1.76
Wilson	10	158	5.35	29.96	1.46
Jackson	6	77	11.36	68.28	3.77

Not only do the stats make it clear, but how many designed runs did Wilson have vs Jackson? Not close would be the guess.

 

[B1GTide]

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No, the stats clearly support that Wilson is more like Tarkington, Elway and Rodgers than Jackson. Whether Wilson is a "running QB" or not was not my statement, it was whether Wilson is more like the 3 QBs named or Lamar Jackson. It's obvious he is closer to the trio.

The seasons are the first 10 of each career as a starter.

Player	Seasons	Games Started	Rushing Attempts Per Game	Rushing YPG	Rushing TDs Per 10 games
Tarkington	10	140	3.38	29.68	1.57
Elway	10	144	3.42	15.95	1.53
Rodgers	10	142	3.62	18.49	1.76
Wilson	10	158	5.35	29.96	1.46
Jackson	6	77	11.36	68.28	3.77

Not only do the stats make it clear, but how many designed runs did Wilson have vs Jackson? Not close would be the guess.

LOL - I said look at his early years when he won the SB. And no one is like Jackson, but that does not mean that Wilson was not a running QB. He was. Anyone who watched him play knows this.

 

[BamaMoon]

Anyone that actually has watched this three ring Barnum Bailey Act known as the Ravens offense over the last 3-4 years sees it for what it is… a gimmick offense designed to cover up Lamar’s weaknesses. Yeah it looks great when it’s running against bad defenses but once they play real defenses they get a whooping.

Basically this is their offense in a nutshell… Plan A: gimmick offense full of great talent… Plan B: I hope Lamar’s raw talent is enough.

Wrong thread man. You seem to be describing our offense this past year.

 

[BamaInBham]

LOL - I said look at his early years when he won the SB. And no one is like Jackson, but that does not mean that Wilson was not a running QB. He was. Anyone who watched him play knows this.

I said, "Wilson is more like Tarkenton, Elway or Rogers than Lamar.". I specifically avoided commenting on the concept of a "running QB" since it is a nebulous term. The data clearly shows that Wilson is more like Tarkenton, Elway and Rodgers than he is Lamar, as was originally stated.

We seem to talking about two different though related matters and simply disagree.

 

[Ledsteplin]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1751740763400966262

So did the father actually say that, or was it fake?

 

[BamaMoon]

So did the father actually say that, or was it fake?

Someone later said it was a fake account. IDK.

 

[Bamaro]

Yeah but acting like Harbaugh not letting him “be Lamar” is just not accurate. If anything he lets him be Lamar too much.

Most of Lamar’s runs are improvised. If anyone wants to point the finger at why then it starts with Lamar. Why is Lamar not running when he sees triple coverage in the center of the field? Why aren’t you asking that question?

One last time. My comments referred ONLY to the last game. Your highlighted comment shows no limitation. So yes, for the rest of the season, Lamar was allowed more to be Lamar but not so much for the KC game. It obviously was a flawed gameplan.

 

[81usaf92]

One last time. My comments referred ONLY to the last game. Your highlighted comment shows no limitation. So yes, for the rest of the season, Lamar was allowed more to be Lamar but not so much for the KC game. It obviously was a flawed gameplan.

Even that’s not true. The dude sucks against great defenses. This game felt like watching the Steelers game earlier in the season where they didn’t let him make miracles because they had great interior pressure, and don’t overrun the pocket on the ends. Guess what the score was???? 10-17.

Lamar is great when someone can’t throw a wrench into that gimmick offense that they run. Because once that happens, Lamar acts like a man child and makes high school mistakes like throwing the ball into triple coverage and carelessly hold the ball. It’s like clockwork in predicting how a ravens game will go.

 

[B1GTide]

I said, "Wilson is more like Tarkenton, Elway or Rogers than Lamar.". I specifically avoided commenting on the concept of a "running QB" since it is a nebulous term. The data clearly shows that Wilson is more like Tarkenton, Elway and Rodgers than he is Lamar, as was originally stated.

We seem to talking about two different though related matters and simply disagree.

Okay. There is only one guy playing like Jackson - Jackson. Thanks

 

[editder]

Baltimore wins if Flowers shows even a little bit of respect for the game

You can’t fix stupid.