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Looks like Bama will see Mr. Tebow again real soon

I for one think its a great idea to play the backups in meaningful time during a game. If during this process the backup CONTINUES to outshine the starter, then the back up should start a game and see if he can repeat his performance more than a few series-if so he should start. If he is not ready, the game time will show it. Plus, if the replaced starter had any competition in him, he would bust his butt to keep his job and keep the back up doing a few series only.

Someone mentionted that Bryant used to put in the backup QB-your partially right. He not only used the back up QB, but almost the entire second string for a few series.
 
Aries said:
I for one think its a great idea to play the backups in meaningful time during a game. If during this process the backup CONTINUES to outshine the starter, then the back up should start a game and see if he can repeat his performance more than a few series-if so he should start. If he is not ready, the game time will show it. Plus, if the replaced starter had any competition in him, he would bust his butt to keep his job and keep the back up doing a few series only.

Someone mentionted that Bryant used to put in the backup QB-your partially right. He not only used the back up QB, but almost the entire second string for a few series.
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Well said. While some fans may call for a change based on one or two great or horrible plays - if the backup puts up consistent performances that rival the starter then a change should be looked at. As you mentioned, the competition should make both practice harder. I would think that this would be a good recruiting tool - best, most consistent players get to play no matter what year they are. All things being close to equal though, stick with the upper classman.
 
TommyMac said:
Interesting that you think giving meaningful PT to your QB of the future is a mistake. No less than Coach Bryant himself did the same thing. The SEC is a tough league to throw a new QB into cold turkey. Iwish we'd been able to give JPW more PT last season.
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I'm not saying I'm against the 2nd string QB getting reps in games that have already been decided. The situation here is that Meyer is basically saying that using Tebow is going to be a part of the gameplan each week. What kind of vote of confidence is it to your first string QB that Meyer is already saying in the Spring that he is going to have to use Tebow to execute parts of his offense? Mark Richt handled the Greene-Shockley situation beautifully, but Greene is a man of high character (he left a day one NFL draft selection on the table to be a pastor for Christ sakes!) and was the consummate team player...you can't expect the same out of every football player.
 
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rgw said:
I'm not saying I'm against the 2nd string QB getting reps in games that have already been decided. The situation here is that Meyer is basically saying that using Tebow is going to be a part of the gameplan each week. What kind of vote of confidence is it to your first string QB that Meyer is already saying in the Spring that he is going to have to use Tebow to execute parts of his offense? Mark Richt handled the Greene-Shockley situation beautifully, but Greene is a man a high character (he left a day one NFL draft selection on the table to be a pastor for Christ sakes!) and was the consummate team player...you can't expect the same out of every football player.
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First of all, if your starting QB's confidence level is so fragile that he shies away from competition, then you're probably better off playing the other guy. You want your QB to be a little cocky, if he doesn't exude confidence, then, the other players will pick up on it and it'll most likely effect their play too. During the Wishbone days Coach Bryant routinely played 2-3 QB's in every game. It payed great dividends too, if the starter got shaken up, not only did he have a guy ready to step in without missing a beat, but the rest of the team also believed in him.
 
More likely Chris Leak turns a little corner, assimilates a decent portion of the package, and has an All-SEC or near All-SEC year.

Tebow's time WILL come. So will UF's, but maybe NOT in '06.

The East is down a little though, so who knows.
 
my bet is if you want to start a rivalry again.
Send Charlie Kirschman on a backside blitz and KNOCK SOME SENSE INTO TIM TEBOW.
Get Tebow to transfer the next year.

THAT will give the rivalry a little gas.
 
probably not a bad idea

several teams have decided to go w/2 qb system this year. I bet if the game is real close um will stick w/leak. If fl is losing big and the game is almost over w/no chance of winning, um will go w/tt and get him the maximum pt.
 
rgw said:
I'm not saying I'm against the 2nd string QB getting reps in games that have already been decided. The situation here is that Meyer is basically saying that using Tebow is going to be a part of the gameplan each week. What kind of vote of confidence is it to your first string QB that Meyer is already saying in the Spring that he is going to have to use Tebow to execute parts of his offense? Mark Richt handled the Greene-Shockley situation beautifully, but Greene is a man of high character (he left a day one NFL draft selection on the table to be a pastor for Christ sakes!) and was the consummate team player...you can't expect the same out of every football player.
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I think Leak understands the need for a backup with at least some experience. In addition, I think Leak is a "character" or "team" player - have not seen anything over the years that speaks otherwise.

On a side note, I don't think TT is going to come in and light it up right away. Even if the line problems get worked out and a solid runner emerges, I think Leak will be the better performer of the two. Hopefully TT pans out and gets enough quality experience to make a big leap for next year.
 
gator said:
I think Leak understands the need for a backup with at least some experience. In addition, I think Leak is a "character" or "team" player - have not seen anything over the years that speaks otherwise.

On a side note, I don't think TT is going to come in and light it up right away. Even if the line problems get worked out and a solid runner emerges, I think Leak will be the better performer of the two. Hopefully TT pans out and gets enough quality experience to make a big leap for next year.
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Gator, do you know if Meyer is planning on using the TE/Power I set like he the last half of last season and planning on mixing more of the spread attack in this year? Or, has he decided it's "spread option," period.
 
[
I]He will need that extra fat for the pounding hes gonna take in the sec. We were worried about Brodie being injured, and he never even ran the option, yes, brodie was quite a bit smaller, but if your getting hit alot, the chances are greater.[/I]
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Brodie ran the option under Fran, splitting series after the OU game w/ Tyler Watts. He got drilled a few times on the pitch and when he kept it, almost breaking him in half. The irony is, he didn't really start getting hurt until he started dropping back to pass in Shula's offense with a mostly experienced line (Smiley, W. Britt, etc.). As for Tebow, Meyer's offense seems ideal for Tebow if he hasn't slowed down too much with the weight factor. Alabama has had issues containing big quarterbacks with good speed, although Matt Jones was a freak of nature w/ his 4.45 speed (NFL combine). S. Carolina gave us fits w/ Sevelle Newton when he was a qb in 2004. UF in Gainsville should be an incredible game, but I think we have enough defensive speed to bottle up the 'sproption'.
 
TerryP said:
Gator, do you know if Meyer is planning on using the TE/Power I set like he the last half of last season and planning on mixing more of the spread attack in this year? Or, has he decided it's "spread option," period.
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Can only speculate here. I think he will focus on the spread option agian, but mix in similar TE/power adjustments. A lot depends on how the new line shapes up. If the line does work out, I expect to see more of what I view as the spread option. Last year the playbook was so limited, with very little variation and only the foundation being attempted. Yes, the option was there but everyone knew it was going in one of three places with one of the three being the most frequent. My understanding (and I may be wrong about all of this) is that that was the tip of the iceberg per se, with a majority of the plays unseen that take advantage of misdirection, and provide enough different options that defenses actually have to think. The hope of the Gator faithful is that having a year of the basics under the belt will allow for much more to be added. We will see.

Again, just my opinion.
 
HuntsvilleTider said:
I think Meyer is at his breaking point w/some of their players.


Meyer's discontent
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I'll have to say, his "motivational technique" is unique in today's age. Notice, today is the day that spring camp starts but it was about a month ago he was calling the running game trash. I would assume that was intended to put a fire under the RB's so he'll get better production out of that group next season.

Some players still respond to a "verbal beat down" and turn it up a notch. Others, tend to turn a deaf ear to that kind of "motivation."

What was it last year? They weren't allowed to use the locker room until they proved they were Gators?

'tis interesting...
 
I agree. Part of me thinks the verbal (and very public) brutalization could affect some players in a way that will make them better. At the same time, I think if he keeps it up at a steady pace, sooner or later that effect will wear thin with a lot of the team... especially if/when they lose a game and it gets worse. I guess we will find out.

I tend to prefer the approach by coaches like Carroll (USC), where you need to do your job as well as you possibly can and bust your butt to get there, but you need to have fun doing it otherwise there is no point. Meyer has a tendency to (inadvertent or not) infer that his players are an expendable commodity.
 
TerryP said:
I'll have to say, his "motivational technique" is unique in today's age. Notice, today is the day that spring camp starts but it was about a month ago he was calling the running game trash. I would assume that was intended to put a fire under the RB's so he'll get better production out of that group next season.

Some players still respond to a "verbal beat down" and turn it up a notch. Others, tend to turn a deaf ear to that kind of "motivation."

What was it last year? They weren't allowed to use the locker room until they proved they were Gators?

'tis interesting...
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The trick is in knowing which players respond to which type of motivation. I think those close to the program feel that he is having a positive impact. As for the locker room and some of the other things from last year - they were just simple motivation tools - I like the idea of reinforcing the thought that playing for FL (or AL in your case), is a priviledge and should not be taken lightly. AL has a leg up in this area because of its rich tradition, but anyone who thinks that players don't settle in at times is a little out of touch with reality. In and of itself, I think keeping players out of the locker room is stupid, however, I think it made a point and in combination with other things helped to improve team concepts and individual work ethics.

Pike - I agree that it can be overused but don't think UM is close to that point. As long as he keeps it specific and on target I think it will be effective. In this case, the RB's know they need to step up. Most of the comments like these last year centered around work ethic and there were a number of players that elected to leave the team, but I think in most of those cases they were not willing to sell out to the program and the team as a whole was better off.

Taking this way off target, I wish coaches and players were able to say what they really wanted (within reason), rather than having to use the standard coachspeak or playerspeak. Started to jump on the soapbox but decided agaionst it and will spare you the rants and raves... :)
 
That 1 thing separated Coach Bryant from all others, he not only knew how to motivate, but what technique motivated each of his players. He never used a "one size fits all" approach. But the single most important motivational tool he had going for him was the player's fear of letting him down.
 
Ya gotta hand it to him....

It's gotta be easier to "sell" being a "gator" and working hard to earn the right to play @ UF than it was at Utah or Bowling Green.
 
GrayTide said:
That 1 thing separated Coach Bryant from all others, he not only knew how to motivate, but what technique motivated each of his players.
He never used a "one size fits all" approach.
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But the single most important motivational tool he had going for him was the player's fear of letting him down.
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Very often, It's not what you do, but when, & I couldn't agree with you more!
 
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