Mass/Active Shooters, Part **FIVE**

Huckleberry

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You are (unsurprisingly) correct.

BREAKING: It has been confirmed that the shooter of the Minnesota Catholic school has been identified as a trans identified male named Robin Westman. This is another tragedy in a long list of instances gender ideology has radicalized young people. Devastating.

No reasonable person can actually say that being trans is a contributing factor in mass shootings. Based on the details in his manifesto that have been released so far, this murderer certainly seemed to be deranged, but what evidence is there that identifying as trans had anything to do with it? The bigotry and hated exhibited by the right toward this tiny population of people is hard to fathom.

 
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No reasonable person can actually say that being trans is a contributing factor in mass shootings. Based on the details in his manifesto that have been released so far, this murderer certainly seemed to be deranged, but what evidence is there that identifying as trans had anything to do with it? The bigotry and hated exhibited by the right toward this tiny population of people is hard to fathom.
Bigotry and hatred? None of that here - I'm just posting facts. I happen to believe trans is a mental illness, but I've zero hatred for them - I simply wish they had the institutional care they need.

 

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No reasonable person can actually say that being trans is a contributing factor in mass shootings. Based on the details in his manifesto that have been released so far, this murderer certainly seemed to be deranged, but what evidence is there that identifying as trans had anything to do with it? The bigotry and hated exhibited by the right toward this tiny population of people is hard to fathom.

i’m old enough to remember when the “groomer” smear was targeted at the entire gay community.

now we have “gays for groomers” participating in the puke funnel
 
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Bigotry and hatred? None of that here - I'm just posting facts. I happen to believe trans is a mental illness, but I've zero hatred for them - I simply wish they had the institutional care they need.

Not you, CA. Gays Against Groomers is a noted right-wing anti-trans hate group.

I believe that any mental illness related to being trans overwhelmingly comes from the societal hardships encountered by those who identity as such. That being said, there’s still no evidence that sexual identity was the primary factor in this atrocity. This person was obsessed with mass murderers, guns, violence, and killing. Being trans is not a contributing factor to any of that.
 

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Not you, CA. Gays Against Groomers is a noted right-wing anti-trans hate group.
Was not aware of this - I don’t follow them on X, this came up when I searched the murderer’s name. Thanks for the heads up.

I believe that any mental illness related to being trans overwhelmingly comes from the societal hardships encountered by those who identity as such. That being said, there’s still no evidence that sexual identity was the primary factor in this atrocity. This person was obsessed with mass murderers, guns, violence, and killing. Being trans is not a contributing factor to any of that.
We really don’t know, that’s the issue.

Hopefully we’ll know more going forward, but regardless of my personal beliefs, anyone who shoots people like this is obviously mentally ill. We as a country need to get to the place where we treat people like this before they snap and murder innocents.
 

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Was not aware of this - I don’t follow them on X, this came up when I searched the murderer’s name. Thanks for the heads up.
Gays Against Groomers is neither right wing nor a hate group. They are a couple of gay people who recognize the existential threat the grooming kid-diddlers represent to gays everywhere and they are punching back. They don't want to be lumped in with MAPs and other left-wing freaks who have no idea what boundaries are.
 
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Here is their diary/manifesto. I ran it through ChatGPT several times to get readable English; thus, some sentences might not be entirely accurate:

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Manifestation of Thoughts

I just wanted to share wisdom. I wanted to show people what builds up in me — as competition, as a challenge. I thought I could explain, show the path, but each time it breaks off — and chaos begins again.
My friends think that this is a game, that it is just a joke or invention. But for me it is more. All that I have — are jokes, my words, my thoughts. I press a button — and it is as if I open a valve, releasing this whole stream.
Sometimes I myself do not understand: am I a genius or simply insane. I invent scenes, as if it were theater, I invent whole stories. And in reality I am only a bored person, an artist stuck between imagination and ordinariness.
I rush between worlds — at one moment I am a hero, at another a loser. At one time I am in hell with demons, at another in the heavens. Sometimes I see the world as a game, where everything is built from rules and illusions. And sometimes it seems to me that this is just a dream, a prolonged nightmare, where a joke turns into truth.
I think that all of this is a stage, and the people around are actors. They play roles without even realizing it. Their laughter, their words, their masks — all of it is a performance, where I am at times a spectator, at times a participant.
Sometimes I want to destroy this scenery, to tear apart the fabric of reality. Sometimes I want simply to shout — and let everyone know that it is a lie, that it is a game. But then I again go into my thoughts, again write, again laugh, and again hide.

My fantasies save me. They are my shield and my weapon. I laugh when everything falls apart. I invent when everything seems empty.
And maybe this is my strength: to turn chaos into a joke, to turn pain into words.
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As for Walz, it turns out he could have gone a long way in preventing this. Twice in two years, the Minnesota Catholic Conference — described by the National Catholic Register as “the public policy voice of Minnesota’s six dioceses” — explicitly asked Gov. Walz for security against school shootings. Security that, as it turns out, public schools receive.

They were rebuffed.
 
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