Mass shootings . . . . pt 2.

[NationalTitles18]

House passes sweeping gun reform package though it's unlikely to move in the Senate

The House voted Wednesday 223-204 to pass a wide-ranging package of gun control legislation called the "Protecting Our Kids Act," after lawmakers faced intense pressure to act in the wake of recent mass shootings.

www.cnn.com

The legislation that passed in the House includes a series of individual bills aimed at preventing gun violence. The measure would raise the legal age to buy certain semiautomatic centerfire rifles from 18 to 21 years old, establish new federal offenses for gun trafficking and for selling large-capacity magazines, and allow local governments to compensate individuals who surrender such magazines through a buyback program. It would create a tax incentive for retail sales of safe storage devices and criminal penalties for breaking new requirements regulating firearm storage on residential premises. The measure would also take steps to strengthen existing federal regulations on bump stocks and ghost guns.
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If you can't muster support for these weak measures as a bare minimum compromise then you are not serious about getting anything at all done so stop pretending to care.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Here's the bill, if you wish to read it. I am a strong 2A supporter - I scanned it and can literally find nothing I disagree with. This looks like a well-written bill.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20220602/114852/BILLS-117HRih.pdf

 

[92tide]

people with republican senators should call them and let them know they support this bill.

Conservative Wyoming senator rethinking gun legislation after constituents flood her office with calls urging action | CNN Politics

In the immediate aftermath of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting, which left 19 children and two teachers dead, Republican Sen. Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming said she doubted that ideas being weighed in Congress to curb gun violence would be welcomed in her very pro-gun state.

www.cnn.com

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Thing about it, is you'd better just absorb stuff like that out of pocket...

Oh trust me, I do and it absorbs everything in my pocket. LOL!

 

[Chukker Veteran]

I saw a few random stats I thought were interesting.

Half of the guns in the U.S. belong to 3% of the population.

In the past ten years or so, I forget the exact figure, our country had had 288 school shootings. Our G7 world partners have a combined 5 total school shootings between them in the same time period.

 

[jthomas666]

 

[Chukker Veteran]

I once donated to Jeff Sessions’s re-election drive. I sent two cents. They picked up my return address and I started getting all this garbage from the RNC.

They even sent an envelope with prepaid mailing to send another donation. I wrapped up and sent them a brick, I’m sure when they got it there was postage due if they wanted to see what was inside.

 

[jthomas666]

Here's the bill, if you wish to read it. I am a strong 2A supporter - I scanned it and can literally find nothing I disagree with. This looks like a well-written bill.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20220602/114852/BILLS-117HRih.pdf

Here's what seem to be the key points:

• Raising legal age to purchase a gun
• something about closing gun show/private sales loopholes (I think)
• something regarding stuff like 3D-printed weapons (like the above point, it's not clear what the provisions actually are, as it's modifying existing language--can someone clarify?)
• bump stocks
• large-capacity magazines
• strong focus on gun safety

All seem reasonable, good faith efforts--though granted, I am a liberal-commie-pinko.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Also looks good superficially - need to find the bill:

House approves 'red flag' gun bill unlikely to pass Senate

The House has approved a “red flag” bill that would allow families, police and others to ask federal courts to order the removal of firearms from people believed to be at extreme risk of harming themselves or others.

apnews.com

 

[crimsonaudio]

Found it: https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/hr2377/BILLS-117hr2377rh.pdf

 

[Crimson1967]

Man attempting to 'forcibly enter' Gadsden elementary school, patrol car fatally shot by police

An investigation is underway in Gadsden after a man reportedly trying to enter Walnut Park Elementary School was shot and killed by police Thursday morning, according to the Etowah County Sheriff's Office.

www.wvtm13.com

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Q: Why should the legal age to buy a firearm be raised from 18 to 21?

A: For one, our culture has changed in that an 18-year-old in 2022 isn't the same as an 18-year-old in 1950. We have shifted to a longer adolescent period and I think raising the legal age to buy a firearm would properly reflect the longer adolescent stage. We don't trust young people to buy alcohol before the age of 21 so why would we trust them to buy a firearm? Two, mental health in this country has been ignored for decades up until recent years. We now know that kids (not just adults) suffer from mental health issues for all different reasons, some being because of genetics and others because of external stresses. So taking into account what we now know about mental health in young people AND that adolescence is longer. These reasons are enough to justify raising the legal age to 21.

Q: What do we do about the AR15's that are already in our society?

A: I know part of this answer will not be agreed upon, but oh well, no one is going to get everything they want. I think existing AR owners should be grandfathered in ONLY if they are willing to register them with the ATF AND attend a certification/safety course that has to be renewed on a yearly basis which would also include physically presenting the gun as proof that they still own the gun to their local agency that would handle this. If the gun owner wants to sell the gun to another citizen it must be done through the ATF and the transfer of ownership would be contingent on the buyer passing certification and the safety course. Any registered AR gun owner who does not renew their certification and safety course AND present the gun as proof of ownership to their local agency needs to be notified that their ownership of the AR has now become illegal. Yearly universal background checks need to be done as part of the yearly renewal process. Once the renewal is complete the gun owner is issued a card (much like a vaccination card or hunting/fishing license) that they must present if ownership verification is required.

Q: What do we do about the purchase of AR's going forward?

A: AR's should be re-classified under the ATF and not sold to the general public like a hunting rifle or handgun. Any private citizen wanting to own an AR has to be approved through a review board by the ATF that passes certain *pre-determined criteria for approval. If approved they would have to go through the same yearly registration/certification/Safety/proof of ownership as mentioned in the previous Q & A. *Note: I don't know what the pre-determined criteria should be but it's a start.

Thoughts?

 

[NationalTitles18]

Q: Why should the legal age to buy a firearm be raised from 18 to 21?

A: For one, our culture has changed in that an 18-year-old in 2022 isn't the same as an 18-year-old in 1950. We have shifted to a longer adolescent period and I think raising the legal age to buy a firearm would properly reflect the longer adolescent stage. We don't trust young people to buy alcohol before the age of 21 so why would we trust them to buy a firearm? Two, mental health in this country has been ignored for decades up until recent years. We now know that kids (not just adults) suffer from mental health issues for all different reasons, some being because of genetics and others because of external stresses. So taking into account what we now know about mental health in young people AND that adolescence is longer. These reasons are enough to justify raising the legal age to 21.

Q: What do we do about the AR15's that are already in our society?

A: I know part of this answer will not be agreed upon, but oh well, no one is going to get everything they want. I think existing AR owners should be grandfathered in ONLY if they are willing to register them with the ATF AND attend a certification/safety course that has to be renewed on a yearly basis which would also include physically presenting the gun as proof that they still own the gun to their local agency that would handle this. If the gun owner wants to sell the gun to another citizen it must be done through the ATF and the transfer of ownership would be contingent on the buyer passing certification and the safety course. Any registered AR gun owner who does not renew their certification and safety course AND present the gun as proof of ownership to their local agency needs to be notified that their ownership of the AR has now become illegal. Yearly universal background checks need to be done as part of the yearly renewal process. Once the renewal is complete the gun owner is issued a card (much like a vaccination card or hunting/fishing license) that they must present if ownership verification is required.

Q: What do we do about the purchase of AR's going forward?

A: AR's should be re-classified under the ATF and not sold to the general public like a hunting rifle or handgun. Any private citizen wanting to own an AR has to be approved through a review board by the ATF that passes certain *pre-determined criteria for approval. If approved they would have to go through the same yearly registration/certification/Safety/proof of ownership as mentioned in the previous Q & A. *Note: I don't know what the pre-determined criteria should be but it's a start.

Thoughts?

Looks good. Place ARs or all semiauto weapons under the NFA Class 3 or create a new class for them.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Resource officer shoots, kills ‘suspicious’ person outside Gadsden elementary school

GADSDEN, Ala. (WIAT) — Police shot and killed a “suspicious person” they said was attempting to enter an Alabama school, law enforcement confirmed Thursday morning. A man, identif…

whnt.com

GADSDEN, Ala. (WIAT) — Police shot and killed a “suspicious person” they said was attempting to enter an Alabama school, law enforcement confirmed Thursday morning.

A man arrived at Walnut Park Elementary in Gadsden around 9:30 a.m. Thursday and attempted to gain entry to vehicles and buildings on-site, Etowah County Sheriff Jonathan Horton said.

A school resource officer who also works for Rainbow City police responded and called for assistance from other law enforcement. A physical altercation ensued, police claimed, and the suspect was shot and killed. The resource officer, officials said, received minor injuries.


Police have not said whether the man was armed.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Thoughts?

Well, that suggestion actually makes it more difficult to own an AR15 than a fully automatic firearm (machine gun) so I doubt we see anything like that happen.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1534750291194695680

 

[Toddrn]

Q: Why should the legal age to buy a firearm be raised from 18 to 21?

A: For one, our culture has changed in that an 18-year-old in 2022 isn't the same as an 18-year-old in 1950. We have shifted to a longer adolescent period and I think raising the legal age to buy a firearm would properly reflect the longer adolescent stage. We don't trust young people to buy alcohol before the age of 21 so why would we trust them to buy a firearm? Two, mental health in this country has been ignored for decades up until recent years. We now know that kids (not just adults) suffer from mental health issues for all different reasons, some being because of genetics and others because of external stresses. So taking into account what we now know about mental health in young people AND that adolescence is longer. These reasons are enough to justify raising the legal age to 21.

Q: What do we do about the AR15's that are already in our society?

A: I know part of this answer will not be agreed upon, but oh well, no one is going to get everything they want. I think existing AR owners should be grandfathered in ONLY if they are willing to register them with the ATF AND attend a certification/safety course that has to be renewed on a yearly basis which would also include physically presenting the gun as proof that they still own the gun to their local agency that would handle this. If the gun owner wants to sell the gun to another citizen it must be done through the ATF and the transfer of ownership would be contingent on the buyer passing certification and the safety course. Any registered AR gun owner who does not renew their certification and safety course AND present the gun as proof of ownership to their local agency needs to be notified that their ownership of the AR has now become illegal. Yearly universal background checks need to be done as part of the yearly renewal process. Once the renewal is complete the gun owner is issued a card (much like a vaccination card or hunting/fishing license) that they must present if ownership verification is required.

Q: What do we do about the purchase of AR's going forward?

A: AR's should be re-classified under the ATF and not sold to the general public like a hunting rifle or handgun. Any private citizen wanting to own an AR has to be approved through a review board by the ATF that passes certain *pre-determined criteria for approval. If approved they would have to go through the same yearly registration/certification/Safety/proof of ownership as mentioned in the previous Q & A. *Note: I don't know what the pre-determined criteria should be but it's a start.

Thoughts?

If we do this should we not raise the voting age to 21?

 

[Crimson1967]

If we do this should we not raise the voting age to 21?

You would have to repeal the 26th amendment.

 

[Bamaro]

Here's what seem to be the key points:

• Raising legal age to purchase a gun
• something about closing gun show/private sales loopholes (I think)
• something regarding stuff like 3D-printed weapons (like the above point, it's not clear what the provisions actually are, as it's modifying existing language--can someone clarify?)
• bump stocks
• large-capacity magazines
• strong focus on gun safety

All seem reasonable, good faith efforts--though granted, I am a liberal-commie-pinko.

Two dems voted against it and only 5 reps supported it. IMO, that's disgusting. There is nothing unreasonable about the bill. My only objection is that it didn't go far enough. It should have at least contained a ref flag provision, universal background checks and a closing of the gun show loophole. I read through Title II - Prevent Gun Trafficing and didn't see where it was addressed.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Two dems voted against it and only 5 reps supported it. IMO, that's disgusting. There is nothing unreasonable about the bill. My only objection is that it didn't go far enough. It should have at least contained a ref flag provision, universal background checks and a closing of the gun show loophole. I read through Title II - Prevent Gun Trafficing and didn't see where it was addressed.

The house did pass a separate red flag bill. Don't ask me why all these different bills unless they want something to pass so there's no excuse.