Milroe's accuracy

cdub55

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Lots of opinions on here but I'll give my breakdown:

Lateral Speed: C-
Straight Line Speed: A
Ability to break Tackles: C
Agreed. But how is that to be gauged without TS and/or DL playing significant minutes/series during SEC games?
Playing time and depth charts are distributed and created from practice more than anything else. In theory, TS has earned the amount of playing time he has been given based off of his play there. We all know there may be other factors but to answer your question, that's "how they know".
 

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Lots of opinions on here but I'll give my breakdown:

Lateral Speed: C-
Straight Line Speed: A
Ability to break Tackles: C

Playing time and depth charts are distributed and created from practice more than anything else. In theory, TS has earned the amount of playing time he has been given based off of his play there. We all know there may be other factors but to answer your question, that's "how they know".
His inability to read the field quickly enough is going to be what "gets" Milroe in the NFL. He struggles with fast-blitzing defenses on the collegiate level and in the NFL they're all fast. It's the same thing Richardson is struggling with, it's the same thing Zach Wilson struggled with, and the same thing all the other failed rookie NFL quarterbacks trying to make the jump to the NFL struggled with.

He has excellent straight-line speed but that's about it, he doesn't have the elusive "wiggle" of a Lamar Jackson. Johnny Manziel was a better scrambler than Milroe and he had no where near the speed Milroe has. But that little sucker was slippery and hard to tackle.
 

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It's not piling on when sufficient evidence exists. In which, we have a season and a half worth with no great improvement....
it is piling on when the same several commenters make the same points about how bad milroe sucks multiple times per day and lay all of their frustrations with nil, our coaching change, our inconsistencies, our team and two coaching staffs being "held hostage" at his feet
 

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That's the point of the question. If JM ran like Garcia, we wouldn't think JM was very good at all. The only thing that sometimes is an advantage for JM is his ability to run.
Isn't that what sets dual threat QBs apart from other QBs?

Like, if Lamar Jackson had the running ability of Peyton Manning he wouldn't be a 2 time NFL MVP, would he?
 

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I mean, I get that JM isn't what most (all?) of us want as a passer, but again, in less than two seasons he has become the only player in Alabama history with 25 passing TDs and 25 rushing TDs.

Some of y'all make it sound like he's just terrible. Yeah, we've had better passers, yeah, he has limitations. But dude's been a freak athlete that's worked his butt off and given 100% for the Tide. At some point the repeated whining about his performance gets ridiculous.

We know what he is. He'll have flashes of brilliance and flashes of poor play. I'm not sure how much more can be said that hasn't already been said. Heck, everything being said now has already been posted about a 100x...

Do y'all just want to whine or something?

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davefrat

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I mean, I get that JM isn't what most (all?) of us want as a passer, but again, in less than two seasons he has become the only player in SEC history with 25 passing TDs and 25 rushing TDs.

Some of y'all make it sound like he's just terrible. Yeah, we've had better passers, yeah, he has limitations. But dude's been a freak athlete that's worked his butt off and given 100% for the Tide. At some point the repeated whining about his performance gets ridiculous.

We know what he is. He'll have flashes of brilliance and flashes of poor play. I'm not sure how much more can be said that hasn't already been said. Heck, everything being said now has already been posted about a 100x...

Do y'all just want to whine or something?

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I'm not exactly sure what it is with his greatest detractors, but from the way they slam Milroe, you'd think he was like me running the offense.

Seems like with some there's not only football criticism, but some kind of personal animosity.

I mean, if he really was completely worthless as a QB he wouldn't be starting, NIL or locker room dynamics or whatever.

IF he was that bad, he probably wouldn't have a single supporter in the locker room, much less enough support to carry out the much talked about mutiny and holding the entire program hostage.

It's reached absurd levels.
 

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I mean, I get that JM isn't what most (all?) of us want as a passer, but again, in less than two seasons he has become the only player in SEC history with 25 passing TDs and 25 rushing TDs.

Some of y'all make it sound like he's just terrible. Yeah, we've had better passers, yeah, he has limitations. But dude's been a freak athlete that's worked his butt off and given 100% for the Tide. At some point the repeated whining about his performance gets ridiculous.

We know what he is. He'll have flashes of brilliance and flashes of poor play. I'm not sure how much more can be said that hasn't already been said. Heck, everything being said now has already been posted about a 100x...

Do y'all just want to whine or something?

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he had 2 passing and 2 rushing tds in each of the first four games this season too, one of those teams being against the best team in the history of evar, the georgia bulldogs. not a lot of players have done that
 
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Maybe the Milroe haters should start their own echo chamber/chat room where they can whine and moan and complain and doomsay to their hearts content.

The guy has his limitations to be sure...and I wish he was better.

But he's the starting QB and is going to be the starting QB barring injury or some kind of unimaginably bad performance.

I know the tenor of this board has changed with the times, but even under the current climate, it seems to me like the criticism from a lot of the posters has turned into nothing more than continual bashing and trashing.
 

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Maybe the Milroe haters should start their own echo chamber/chat room where they can whine and moan and complain and doomsay to their hearts content.

The guy has his limitations to be sure...and I wish he was better.

But he's the starting QB and is going to be the starting QB barring injury or some kind of unimaginably bad performance.

I know the tenor of this board has changed with the times, but even under the current climate, it seems to me like the criticism from a lot of the posters has turned into nothing more than continual bashing and trashing.
The Tenn game was unimaginably bad and Mizzou not much better and nothing changed so I don’t think anyone has to worry about a change.

We could lose every single game by 2 TDs the rest of the season and he’ll be the only QB that attempts a Pass until 2025.
 

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The Tenn game was unimaginably bad and Mizzou not much better and nothing changed so I don’t think anyone has to worry about a change.

We could lose every single game by 2 TDs the rest of the season and he’ll be the only QB that attempts a Pass until 2025.
Maybe, but no level of caterwauling on this board is going to change anything.

I know, I know, I don't have to read the posts if I don't want to...but it's just gotten ridiculous.

The level of emotional and mental investment some have in continually hammering away at how bad he is must be exhausting.

And as I said (just my opinion), it's moved from legitimate criticism to little more than a constant refrain of whining and crying.

It's actually reached the point that it's pathetic.
 

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One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.

With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:

Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go... 😬

Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?
 

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Maybe, but no level of caterwauling on this board is going to change anything.

I know, I know, I don't have to read the posts if I don't want to...but it's just gotten ridiculous.

The level of emotional and mental investment some have in continually hammering away at how bad he is must be exhausting.

And as I said (just my opinion), it's moved from legitimate criticism to little more than a constant refrain of whining and crying.

It's actually reached the point that it's pathetic.
Can things be said ad nauseum? YES

With that being said, if the goal of a board is to change things then just throw the whole board away. We are here because we all have interest in one thing, Alabama Athletics. We are all here to discuss things involving Alabama Athletics, among other things.
 

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One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.

With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:

Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go... 😬

Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics”

As to the question, for me it is simple, the eye test. Milroe makes simple look hard at times. Bryce wasn't perfect by any means and had his own imperfections, but the kid executed at an extremely high level. He made accurate throws. He made hard throws look easy. He made easy throws. We can compare scores, records, statistics, height, weight, 40 times, etc. but Bryce looked and played the part.
 

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Can things be said ad nauseum? YES

With that being said, if the goal of a board is to change things then just throw the whole board away. We are here because we all have interest in one thing, Alabama Athletics. We are all here to discuss things involving Alabama Athletics, among other things.
Discussion is one thing, never-ending circles of the same complaints about the same player have become tedious to the point of absurdity.
 

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Discussion is one thing, never-ending circles of the same complaints about the same player have become tedious to the point of absurdity.
I get it, trust me. But it can be said that it is also tedious for posters to try to moderate what can and can't or should and shouldn't be said. When is too much? Moderators and rules are here for a reason. Let them do their job and we as posters do ours, which is to give our opinions. If someone is stepping over the lines, the moderators can suspend or send a "friendly reminder" message to said poster and handle it.