Milroe's accuracy

[RammerJammer14]

I agree it should.

But maybe someone on staff sees a thread where 80% of fans think Ty should start the game and Jalen be benched and they are trying to squash that narrative.

If Ty comes in and just starts throwing ropes all over the place hitting guys in stride then the noise would only get louder.

Maybe I’m wrong and I’m just trying to make sense out of something that doesn’t make sense.

I just feel like if Ty was truly not good we would have heard that.

I haven’t seen anyone that’s seen closed practices and scrimmages say that. They only said he looked very good.

I highly highly doubt the staff pays much attention to what fans think about their decisions, game plan wise or personnel wise or any other wise. If they do, they probably shouldn’t be coaching at the level they are coaching imo. In fact I would bet that there is a near zero chance this is what is going on.

I think the much simpler explanation between “Ty stinks” and “Coaches are proving a point to fans” is that Milroe obviously hasn’t been playing well the last few games and the coaches wanted to keep him in there as long as possible to work on the offense/timing/etc. Saban had a tendency to do this as well. Personally I think the backup should get in the game earlier in “safe” scenarios like that, and I was frustrated Ty didn’t get at 1-2 legitimate opportunities, just from a “build your depth” perspective. But I am not and have never been a football coach. I still find the whole QB situation extremely frustrating but people are starting to to talk themselves into extreme positions that don’t make that much sense imo if you take a step back. 🙂

 

[RammerJammer14]

I mean, I get that JM isn't what most (all?) of us want as a passer, but again, in less than two seasons he has become the only player in Alabama history with 25 passing TDs and 25 rushing TDs.

I don’t think Milroe is as bad as some have talked themselves into. I’ve never believed the “Heisman leader, top draft pick” hype but he is not incompetent either. But I do want to make a point about the 25/25 stat. This is one of those meaningless stats imo that doesn’t actually tell you much about a player. Being the first QB in Bama history to have 25 passing and 25 rushing TDs doesn’t tell me that he is one of our greatest ever QBs, it tells me that we have a very limited offense dependent on a single player. It tells me that the RBs either arent getting opportunities because they are all going to the QB, or the RBs are sub par and can’t be trusted to run for TDs. It’s kind of like when Hurts was playing in 2017 and people would point out his super high completion percentage or passer efficiency rating, ignoring the fact that the stats were hiding the fact that he was just running OOB 5yds behind the line of scrimmage with the ball or taking off if he didn’t have the perfect pass. Meanwhile on the field we could all see the limitations. 🙂

As for whining, we got 2 weeks of no Bama football, people gotta talk about something! 😄😄

 

[BamaMoon]

I don’t think Milroe is as bad as some have talked themselves into. I’ve never believed the “Heisman leader, top draft pick” hype but he is not incompetent either. But I do want to make a point about the 25/25 stat. This is one of those meaningless stats imo that doesn’t actually tell you much about a player. Being the first QB in Bama history to have 25 passing and 25 rushing TDs doesn’t tell me that he is one of our greatest ever QBs, it tells me that we have a very limited offense dependent on a single player. It tells me that the RBs either arent getting opportunities because they are all going to the QB, or the RBs are sub par and can’t be trusted to run for TDs. It’s kind of like when Hurts was playing in 2017 and people would point out his super high completion percentage or passer efficiency rating, ignoring the fact that the stats were hiding the fact that he was just running OOB 5yds behind the line of scrimmage with the ball or taking off if he didn’t have the perfect pass. Meanwhile on the field we could all see the limitations. 🙂

As for whining, we got 2 weeks of no Bama football, people gotta talk about something! 😄😄

Good, fair post.

Jalen is what Jalen is. The 25/25 stat can be twisted any way, just as all stats can be made into lies.

What it tells me is he, as a passer, is not as proficient as our recent QBs (see @gtgilbert's recent post about passing yards, etc), he doesn't get WR talent the ball as much as we would hope, and he really is "dual threat" but, unfortunately, his "running" and "passing" both have serious weaknesses, but it appears JM has no awareness/ability/desire to fix any of it (and lately his improvement from last year as regressed to last years results - losing the big games we are accustomed to winning at about a .500 clip).

Then, as fans, we are forced to stomach the over the top media push for him all the while we don't see a "star" leading his team to the very best results as most stars do. JM seems to make one person look better; himself, and I don't see the players around him being made into "stars" unless they are part of JM's media/Lank initiative (4+2=6).

 

[cdub55]

Apparently they forgot about Blake Barnett.

Tweet incoming...

 

[teamplayer]

He is not an elite runner. He has elite speed.

I agree with this. There are times that he goes down way too easily. Get him in space, though, and look out. Just the threat of him getting to space should open up other things, and it does. Unfortunately, his accuracy, or lack thereof, doesn't always allow us to take advantage. He is blessed with skills that can't be coached; however, the skills that should be able to be coached into him don't always seem to stick. He wows with athleticism at times but dumbfounds with bad decision making and throws at times. That is what makes him so polarizing. Our brains cannot comprehend that a guy who can make an unbelievable play one minute cannot hit a wide open receiver the next. So, I guess I am saying to hop on the roller coaster and see where it takes us over the next four games.

 

[davefrat]

The Milroe apologists aren't going to admit he's not as good as they say he is any more than I am going to admit that he's better than I think he is.

How about, he's not as bad as some people say and he's not as good as some people say?

Is that fair?

 

[cdub55]

How about, he's not as bad as some people say and he's not as good as some people say?

Is that fair?

I'm offended...

 

[colbysullivan]

How about, he's not as bad as some people say and he's not as good as some people say?

Is that fair?

I would say it’s fair…ish. IMO it’s an oversimplication to say it that way though. It’s more polarizing than that.

 

[BamaMoon]

How about, he's not as bad as some people say and he's not as good as some people say?

Is that fair?

What I've said is he will lead us to a win in a big game about 50% of the time. And then, there's the Vandy result!

 

[BamaMoon]

I would say it’s fair…ish. IMO it’s an oversimplication to say it that way though. It’s more polarizing than that.

Yes...most polarizing player since Jalen Hurts in 2017, but at least for Hurts it was "ALL" related to his play on the field. I think that's what makes JM different considering the media bedazzling.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Yes...most polarizing player since Jalen Hurts in 2017, but at least for Hurts it was "ALL" related to his play on the field. I think that's what makes JM different considering the media bedazzling.

We also knew we had a stud behind him. I think Hurts would have been more polarizing if we didn't have a pretty solid idea of how good Tua was.

 

[BamaMoon]

We also knew we had a stud behind him. I think Hurts would have been more polarizing if we didn't have a pretty solid idea of how good Tua was.

Which is the quandary with our backups!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I highly highly doubt the staff pays much attention to what fans think about their decisions, game plan wise or personnel wise or any other wise. If they do, they probably shouldn’t be coaching at the level they are coaching imo. In fact I would bet that there is a near zero chance this is what is going on.

I think the much simpler explanation between “Ty stinks” and “Coaches are proving a point to fans” is that Milroe obviously hasn’t been playing well the last few games and the coaches wanted to keep him in there as long as possible to work on the offense/timing/etc. Saban had a tendency to do this as well. Personally I think the backup should get in the game earlier in “safe” scenarios like that, and I was frustrated Ty didn’t get at 1-2 legitimate opportunities, just from a “build your depth” perspective. But I am not and have never been a football coach. I still find the whole QB situation extremely frustrating but people are starting to to talk themselves into extreme positions that don’t make that much sense imo if you take a step back. 🙂

My biggest beef with the staff in the Mizzoo game for not playing Ty is the risk of injury to Milroe. I was around when Shula kept trying to score on Florida when the game was out of hand and Prothro was still in the game along with Brodie Croyle. That one injury completely changed the direction of our season and Prothro's entire career. I saw no reason for Milroe to be in the game at the 8-minute mark of the fourth quarter with us blowing them out and they hadn't shown even a glimpse of hope of scoring.

By giving the backup reps, whether it's Ty or one of the other guys, you serve two purposes. You ensure in the last eight to ten minute of the game you're starter isn't getting hurt in a blowout game. Second, you get the next guy up some reps. I didn't see a purpose in keeping Milroe in there that long into the fourth.

 

[AlexanderFan]

My biggest beef with the staff in the Mizzoo game for not playing Ty is the risk of injury to Milroe. I was around when Shula kept trying to score on Florida when the game was out of hand and Prothro was still in the game along with Brodie Croyle. That one injury completely changed the direction of our season and Prothro's entire career. I saw no reason for Milroe to be in the game at the 8-minute mark of the fourth quarter with us blowing them out and they hadn't shown even a glimpse of hope of scoring.

By giving the backup reps, whether it's Ty or one of the other guys, you serve two purposes. You ensure in the last eight to ten minute of the game you're starter isn't getting hurt in a blowout game. Second, you get the next guy up some reps. I didn't see a purpose in keeping Milroe in there that long into the fourth.

He’s also made sure every other position has had plenty of guys take snaps, but isn’t giving Simpson anything meaningful. .

 

[CrimsonTitles]

He’s also made sure every other position has had plenty of guys take snaps, but isn’t giving Simpson anything meaningful. .

Probably bc he knows the calls for Ty will get louder if he does, and he's just trying to make it through the year holding the team together

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I would say it’s fair…ish. IMO it’s an oversimplication to say it that way though. It’s more polarizing than that.

I just look at as he’s High Ceiling and Low Floor and he rattles around the entirety of that range on any given day.

He mostly stays somewhere in the middle of that but for the last 4 games he’s dipped down to the floor way more than he’s reached the ceiling.

Ultimately he’s just wildly inconsistent.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Probably bc he knows the calls for Ty will get louder if he does, and he's just trying to make it through the year holding the team together

Potentially. Realistically, there’s not many good things that can happen if he subbed him in.

Ty plays well and he creates controversy for everyone, especially him. Not to mention the rumors of the rest of the team laying down.

Ty plays poorly and he creates controversy for himself and potentially destroys Milroe’s confidence going forward.

So while I’ve critiqued Milroe’s performance and I would like to see a change, I’m not sure you can really do it here in crunch time.

 

[irvingtontide]

I think one reason everyone is back and forth and can’t agree is because both years it was a close competition from all reports but we never got to see an on field competition in a game. I’m assuming with the competition being close in practice and Jalen having the support of his teammates we have gone with him both years.

I think if you really watched Jalen and Ty throw the football and gave an honest assessment you would have to say Ty is more on platform and accurate. The major disadvantage Ty has at the moment is that he doesn’t have 20 something starts he actually has very little experience. Which means if we’re still in contention and Jalen isn’t actively losing the game or injured we probably won’t see Simpson.

I also think people tend to have a short memory on some of simpsons play. Most every time we have seen Ty come into the game and get to operate the offense (save the rain delayed USF game that had questionable effort and the UK fumble) the consensus has been that Ty is going to be a very good QB and hoping we don’t lose him. So I don’t think it’s a situation where Ty just isn’t any good.

 

[arthurdawg]

I think one reason everyone is back and forth and can’t agree is because both years it was a close competition from all reports but we never got to see an on field competition in a game. I’m assuming with the competition being close in practice and Jalen having the support of his teammates we have gone with him both years.

I think if you really watched Jalen and Ty throw the football and gave an honest assessment you would have to say Ty is more on platform and accurate. The major disadvantage Ty has at the moment is that he doesn’t have 20 something starts he actually has very little experience. Which means if we’re still in contention and Jalen isn’t actively losing the game or injured we probably won’t see Simpson.

I also think people tend to have a short memory on some of simpsons play. Most every time we have seen Ty come into the game and get to operate the offense (save the rain delayed USF game that had questionable effort and the UK fumble) the consensus has been that Ty is going to be a very good QB and hoping we don’t lose him. So I don’t think it’s a situation where Ty just isn’t any good.

I think last year many felt Ty wasn't ready... but we never really saw him get that much of a chance on the field other than pulling out the USF game.

 

[The Ols]

One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.

With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:

Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go... 😬

Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?

So here’s the question…game situation, who do you want??? I’m taking Bryce…