New (Coach Saban) salary article on USA TODAY

[NationalTitles18]

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Here's the other article guys about CNS and his salary. I know it's all kind of confusing because they wrote about 4 different articles all hot-linked off each other.

'Is Nick Saban underpaid':https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...erpaid-more-than-11-million-season/794275001/

Thank you. This is why we prefer you post a link. People (including mods, whose time is often as limited as their patience) get confused. We aren't trying to make life or posting more difficult. We are trying to make a more satisfying, better, and even easier experience for everyone.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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That ACT % is eyepopping!! Not to derail the subject but does the UofA have stricter enrollment qualification now or is the ACT somehow easier?

The ACT has not changed - Dr Witt determined a few years ago that UA should be a pinnacle public university - the type of school that steals potential students from the 'ivy league' schools, if you will. It's been a long process, but Alabama has emerged as one of the premier public universities in the country over the last 14 years.

The bar has been raised and continues to climb. I'm even more proud of my university today than I was when I attended, as Alabama is creating a reputation as a premier university across the board.

 

[BamaInBham]

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The ACT has not changed - Dr Witt determined a few years ago that UA should be a pinnacle public university - the type of school that steals potential students from the 'ivy league' schools, if you will. It's been a long process, but Alabama has emerged as one of the premier public universities in the country over the last 14 years.

The bar has been raised and continues to climb. I'm even more proud of my university today than I was when I attended, as Alabama is creating a reputation as a premier university across the board.

I know that those who rank universities have a very difficult task, so that their rankings might be misleading, is not a surprise. Why is it that despite what you've outlined, Bama has been dropping like a rock in the US News rankings ? Just a 3 or 4 years ago Bama was tied with Colorado at ~35 or so and 4th in the SEC behind UF, UGA and A&M. Now they are ranked 51 now also behind AU, USCe, UT, 7th in the SEC. For instance UT was around 70 or so, they are now 46. These rankings appear to be quite volatile. Are they really almost useless ? It seems to me that they have an almost impossible job. I've read the criteria in the past and felt they were both nebulous and not very useful. But that was just my impression, I have no expertise. What is your take, especially regarding Bama's drop in those rankings ?

 

[Padreruf]

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I know that those who rank universities have a very difficult task, so that their rankings might be misleading, is not a surprise. Why is it that despite what you've outlined, Bama has been dropping like a rock in the US News rankings ? Just a 3 or 4 years ago Bama was tied with Colorado at ~35 or so and 4th in the SEC behind UF, UGA and A&M. Now they are ranked 51 now also behind AU, USCe, UT, 7th in the SEC. For instance UT was around 70 or so, they are now 46. These rankings appear to be quite volatile. Are they really almost useless ? It seems to me that they have an almost impossible job. I've read the criteria in the past and felt they were both nebulous and not very useful. But that was just my impression, I have no expertise. What is your take, especially regarding Bama's drop in those rankings ?

Different rankings measure different aspects of higher education....according to Forbes Samford is the highest rated university in the state and UA is near the bottom. There is also a subjective element to the rankings -- not all objective. You like your wife I like mine....

Yes, test scores rank higher in Ivy League and such schools -- Stanford, Wake Forest, Duke, Cal, etc. But that does not mean they have higher outcomes after graduation. A Business School Dean at UA once told me that they ought to be ranked higher because they took marginal students (lower ACT scores) and enabled them to compete with the highest in the country.

Don't get all worked up about it. Just be proud of UA and what it is doing...

 

[Con]

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I don't want to rub anybody the wrong way here but my son is a senior in high school so I know something about Alabama's attractiveness to kids scoring high on their ACT. ACT prep is definitely different now than it used to be. My child has taken it 8 times. His first time taking it was in the 7th grade because he was involved in a program sponsored by Duke and he scored higher as a 7th grader than a lot of kids do as juniors.

When he started looking at colleges, the only reason he even had Alabama on his list was because his mother and I grew up in Tuscaloosa and graduated from Alabama. He had no thought of truly attending the University though. We signed him up to go on a tour of the campus last fall break because we were taking him to Florida for a tour also. The tour at Alabama blew us all away because he was able to find out a lot of information about the fields he was interested in. They sold Alabama and made him feel like they wanted him. He will have taken about 12 AP classes and passed them with very high scores when he graduates from high school and Alabama will give him a lot of college credit for those classes. For instance, he will get 6 hrs. credit for some history class at Alabama and only 1 hr. credit at one of the Ivy league schools.

Alabama gives scholarships for out of state kids who score above a 33 on their ACT also. That is a big deal for these high scoring kids. It is a chance for them to go out of state for free. They can also start working on a second major or master's classes while they are still on their first scholarship. Like my child also wants to do some kind of law so Alabama has a good law school so it checked another box for him.

Anyway, Florida's tour was great, but their admission person who opened up the tour basically sounded like they really didn't want him or the rest of the kids in the room. She didn't really sell Florida. Texas was the same way. Rice did a great job of selling their school. Alabama and Rice do a fabulous job of keeping in touch with my son where the other schools really do not. We are taking him to the Mercer game in a few weeks and sitting right by the student section so he can get a good feel for a game atmosphere. A little over a year ago I would have told you there is no way he would go to Alabama, but they have really uped their game to get students in.

 

[dvldog]

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I don't want to rub anybody the wrong way here but my son is a senior in high school so I know something about Alabama's attractiveness to kids scoring high on their ACT. ACT prep is definitely different now than it used to be. My child has taken it 8 times. His first time taking it was in the 7th grade because he was involved in a program sponsored by Duke and he scored higher as a 7th grader than a lot of kids do as juniors.

When he started looking at colleges, the only reason he even had Alabama on his list was because his mother and I grew up in Tuscaloosa and graduated from Alabama. He had no thought of truly attending the University though. We signed him up to go on a tour of the campus last fall break because we were taking him to Florida for a tour also. The tour at Alabama blew us all away because he was able to find out a lot of information about the fields he was interested in. They sold Alabama and made him feel like they wanted him. He will have taken about 12 AP classes and passed them with very high scores when he graduates from high school and Alabama will give him a lot of college credit for those classes. For instance, he will get 6 hrs. credit for some history class at Alabama and only 1 hr. credit at one of the Ivy league schools.

Alabama gives scholarships for out of state kids who score above a 33 on their ACT also. That is a big deal for these high scoring kids. It is a chance for them to go out of state for free. They can also start working on a second major or master's classes while they are still on their first scholarship. Like my child also wants to do some kind of law so Alabama has a good law school so it checked another box for him.

Anyway, Florida's tour was great, but their admission person who opened up the tour basically sounded like they really didn't want him or the rest of the kids in the room. She didn't really sell Florida. Texas was the same way. Rice did a great job of selling their school. Alabama and Rice do a fabulous job of keeping in touch with my son where the other schools really do not. We are taking him to the Mercer game in a few weeks and sitting right by the student section so he can get a good feel for a game atmosphere. A little over a year ago I would have told you there is no way he would go to Alabama, but they have really uped their game to get students in.

Sounds like we have a chance to finish nr 1 in recruiting again this year. RTR!

 

[Con]

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Sounds like we have a chance to finish nr 1 in recruiting again this year. RTR!

Just think about the pitch the academic departments do to these blue chip football prospects coming through. Saban is worth every penny.

 

[day-day]

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My understanding is that the ACT was changed around 1989 and the scoring was re-centered which resulted in about a 2-point increase in scoring after that. Also, I think there is much more prep taking place now than in the past.

 

[CaliforniaTide]

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When I attended Alabama from 2006-2010, I met a lot of other Californians there that were getting the full ride academic scholarships. The local California universities only offered partial scholarships, so they chose Alabama. Many of them loved their experience as I did as well. Roll Tide.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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I've felt for a long time that looking at acceptance rates will tell you a lot about a school. The 'premier' school often accept less than 10% of applicants. Most public universities accept somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% of applicants (Auburn accepts 78%, Tennessee access 76%, Ole Miss accepts 81%, etc). Alabama currently accepts roughly half of those who apply (53%).

 

[Boo Radley]

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Alabama’s push for growth began before Saban was hired. Still, Witt says signing him was a key portion of a master plan for expanding enrollment, though it’s difficult to measure how much growth would have followed had someone else been hired as coach. And someone else nearly was: Witt says Alabama was “truly blessed” when Rich Rodriguez turned down the job after Alabama fired Mike Shula in 2006 and Saban at first rebuffed an Alabama offer.

This is my favorite quote out of the group of columns. :biggrin:

We hit the trifecta when we lured CNS back to the college game. The other parts were in place with Mal and Dr. Witt.

 

[RedWave]

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I knew he was going to be good when we hired him. I had no idea he was going to be this good. I remember when LSU hired him and I heard the announcement. My first thought then was "uh oh!" Pretty sure we had Fran at the time, and he doing a nice enough job, all things considered. I could tell then Saban would be the end of the fun for most teams in the SEC. Thankful he is doing it for us and not someone else. Pay him what he wants, for as long as he wants it.

 

[BamaInBham]

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I knew he was going to be good when we hired him. I had no idea he was going to be this good. I remember when LSU hired him and I heard the announcement. My first thought then was "uh oh!" Pretty sure we had Fran at the time, and he doing a nice enough job, all things considered. I could tell then Saban would be the end of the fun for most teams in the SEC. Thankful he is doing it for us and not someone else. Pay him what he wants, for as long as he wants it.

Only a fool wouldn't.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

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If Coach Saban were paid $20,000,000 he would still be worth his salary.
The Alabama program makes a boatload of money now days. Coach Saban is responsible for our tremendous revenue growth.

Coach Saban is the Benchmark all other coaches are measured by.

When Kirby Smart took the Head Coach job at Georgia, Kirby was smart enough to take some good Alabama assistants with him... Kirby Smart has also brought THE PROCESS to Georgia.
Georgia is starting to reap the benefits of having a successful coach, and a disciplined team.
The money will soon follow.

 

[deliveryman35]

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When you consider ROI and total economic impact to our state and university, Nick Saban is a bargain at his current rate of pay and should get a hefty raise imo.