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NFL Lockout Clarification

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gladIam4UA

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Hey Guys - I keep hearing about juniors not declaring early if there's a lockout. Then I hear that the lockout wouldn't occur until later in the spring, at which point juniors would have already declared.

Can a junior back of declaring early? If so, what are the constraints?

Or maybe the lockout would take place before the official deadline and so players will be waiting later to make the announcement (where in the past they would have announced at the end of the season even though it wouldn't be official until later in the spring?).

Can you imagine Alabama next year if no one leave early.
 
I think in basketball you can declare for the draft and then back out and go back to college as long as you don't sign with an agent. Now..the caveat is that you can only enter the draft a maximum of two times. So...you can't do the hokey-pokey the whole time you are in college.

I think I am correct in remembering it that way...not sure if football operates the same way.
 
I think there is a very real possibility of a lockout and, I agree with Big; I'm not sure if footballers can renege, as long as they don't sign with an agent, or not...if they can, I'm sure they have a window of time in which they can back out.
 
My memory is that it can't be done in FB. At any rate, it can't be done in either sport, once you've hired an agent and become a pro. As I said before, the NCAA should waive or temporarily change the rule to accommodate the effect on the kids' careers...
 
I think if a lockout is more apparent in a few months then we could see less early entries this year. If last year was a good year for early entries, I think it's safe to say this was projected to be a bad year.

That's not to say agents won't lie a bit to get guys with their agency even through a lockout. I bet quite a few will risk no paycheck for a year just to get in a pay slot. I mean they aren't getting paid to play college either but an injury could kill their draft later.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
My memory is that it can't be done in FB. At any rate, it can't be done in either sport, once you've hired an agent and become a pro. As I said before, the NCAA should waive or temporarily change the rule to accommodate the effect on the kids' careers...
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Ya right. Haha
 
rgw said:
I think if a lockout is more apparent in a few months then we could see less early entries this year. If last year was a good year for early entries, I think it's safe to say this was projected to be a bad year.

That's not to say agents won't lie a bit to get guys with their agency even through a lockout. I bet quite a few will risk no paycheck for a year just to get in a pay slot. I mean they aren't getting paid to play college either but an injury could kill their draft later.
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So true...but the possibility exists that some of those who will go in the 2nd or 3rd round (or later) could possibly, with a great senior season, improve their draft status considerably, depending on how many players at their position are in the draft, how many are projected to go higher, etc.
And, face it, going from the 2nd to the 1st round, or even 3rd to 2nd, could mean big bucks.
 
CrimsonChuck said:
So we could theoretically have Julio and Ingram for one more year?

GO LOCKOUT!!!!!! WOOOO!

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And Barron, and Dareus, and Hightower....

FWIW...imagine what our D would be like if McClain and Jackson hadn't left, and Robby Green hadn't done whatever it was that he did. Sick I tell you, SICK!
 
TIDE-HSV said:
As I said before, the NCAA should waive or temporarily change the rule to accommodate the effect on the kids' careers...
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As ludicrous as it is in actual practice, I'm guessing the "early declaration" deadline is positioned such that its intention is to help the schools by placing it prior to national signing day. This would protect the schools from finalizing their incoming recruiting class, only to find out later that they are unexpectedly losing players to the pros (with no recourse left to address those losses prior to the regular season.)

A team that actually exposed themselves to this and didn't already have a plan in place for juniors leaving early would be stupid, but I'm just guessing that was the NCAA's intention.

On the other hand, the NCAA does very little with regard to logic, so I wouldn't be surprised to find that I'm completely wrong.
 
My understanding is that, when you apply for the NFL Draft, you end your eligibility.

The CBA doesn't expire until March 1, so a lockout can't begin before then. As I recall, underclassment have to apply before then.
 
PaulD said:
My understanding is that, when you apply for the NFL Draft, you end your eligibility.

The CBA doesn't expire until March 1, so a lockout can't begin before then. As I recall, underclassment have to apply before then.
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It's possible that whether or not the lockout is going to be reality might be evident by then, though. If they stay, are we ever going to have a small signing class...
 
PaulD said:
My understanding is that, when you apply for the NFL Draft, you end your eligibility.

The CBA doesn't expire until March 1, so a lockout can't begin before then. As I recall, underclassment have to apply before then.
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The deadline is in January....just a couple weeks after the season ends. Moving it might be a good idea, but can you imagine what a nightmare signing day will be (as far as the numbers are concerned)? We could have five extra players, or maybe we wouldn't. They would have to move signing day too. Or maybe they could grant a one time exception to allow a school to have juniors that declare for the draft not count in this years scholly totals. That would probably be the best option, but there will be a major outcry of other schools (since it would probably benefit Bama more than anyone else).
 
CrimsonChuck said:
The deadline is in January....just a couple weeks after the season ends. Moving it might be a good idea, but can you imagine what a nightmare signing day will be (as far as the numbers are concerned)? We could have five extra players, or maybe we wouldn't. They would have to move signing day too. Or maybe they could grant a one time exception to allow a school to have juniors that declare for the draft not count in this years scholly totals. That would probably be the best option, but there will be a major outcry of other schools (since it would probably benefit Bama more than anyone else).
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And if it benefits us...you know it won't happen. ;)
 
I think if a lockout is imminent you will see most of the Jr's stay. In the NFL if you don't play in games you don't get paid. The owners have already expressed that there would be a draft, but no signing bonuses. That means anyone that goes could be without a paycheck for a year. So they would probably be better off taking out the large insurance policy and staying in football shape by staying in school.

Some things to consider about the potential lockout. The NFL has hired the guy that forced the NHL lockout to be their negotiator if that tells you anything. The owners will still receive TV revenue even if there are no games played, but the players won't be paid unless they play. The word among the players now is to cutback and save. I know that will sound funny to some, but not everyone in the NFL is paid like Sam Bradford. Among the players in here in Dallas I hear they fully expect a lockout.

My last thought on it is the most disturbing. While the immediate impact would probably be very exciting for Alabama fans with the prospects of having NFL talent like Ingram, Dareus, Jones, Hightower, etc... back the long term could be the opposite of exciting. Now I'm not sure how much one class could hurt because you're really only talking about 5 players, but that's 5 less players we will have in the incoming class. That's also less players FL, LSU, TX, OU, NB, etc... will have room for from the 2011 signing class. Well the guys who wanted to go to BAMA may go to TN instead, meaning some kids that were going to TN go to, Ole Miss instead meaning some kids that were going to Ole Miss end up going to the Boise State's, TCU's and Utah's of the world making all of those mid level teams stronger. I think if the Jr's stay across the country complying and with teams having to stay under the 85 limit it will force even more parity in college football.

Of course I'm not paranoid, everyone just thinks I am.
 
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In basketball you can declare pro and come back if you dont hire an agent and pull out by a certain date (I forget what date it is). In football I dont think you can do it.
 
Dallas4Bama said:
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My last thought on it is the most disturbing. While the immediate impact would probably be very exciting for Alabama fans with the prospects of having NFL talent like Ingram, Dareus, Jones, Hightower, etc... back the long term could be the opposite of exciting. Now I'm not sure how much one class could hurt because you're really only talking about 5 players, but that's 5 less players we will have in the incoming class. That's also less players FL, LSU, TX, OU, NB, etc... will have room for from the 2011 signing class. Well the guys who wanted to go to BAMA may go to TN instead, meaning some kids that were going to TN go to, Ole Miss instead meaning some kids that were going to Ole Miss end up going to the Boise State's, TCU's and Utah's of the world making all of those mid level teams stronger. I think if the Jr's stay across the country complying and with teams having to stay under the 85 limit it will force even more parity in college football.
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I had not thought of that at all. A school with a lot of spots under the 85 could have a great year, and benefit for multiple years.

Personally I would take the one year with the 5 seniors, but I can see how this could hurt us enough to make a difference if one school gets a good number of prospects who are now looking for a spot.
 
mittman said:
I had not thought of that at all. A school with a lot of spots under the 85 could have a great year, and benefit for multiple years.

Personally I would take the one year with the 5 seniors, but I can see how this could hurt us enough to make a difference if one school gets a good number of prospects who are now looking for a spot.
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Like Auburn...
 
Too lazy to look it up right now, but I'm pretty sure that in football if you don't sign with an agent and don't get drafted you can come back to school. The whole not getting drafted thing kind of makes it a moot point, however, since any juniors declaring declaring early would most assuredly be drafted unless they received some really bad advice concerning their draft possibilities.
 
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